Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.11.2011 at 19:26

Written by Angelic Storm on 28.11.2011 at 14:23
if this album is given a negative review by a staff member, they will incur a similar wrath that many associate only with mainstream metal fanboys.

Written by Boxcar Willy on 04.12.2011 at 00:02
even though it was made just to make fun of me.

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 00:03
It's not about fanboyism. these guys are young and talented and you wrote a review as they are copy writers.
IMO this is one of the worst reviews i've ever read on MS. this band is all about music and this stupid review gives nothing to the reader about the band and/or their effort on the album. i call this nonsense....

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 00:05

Written by Boxcar Willy on 04.12.2011 at 00:02
even though it was made just to make fun of me.

In all honesty that was actually written 3 days prior to your comment on OBC's article.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 00:09

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 00:03
It's not about fanboyism. these guys are young and talented and you wrote a review as they are copy writers.
IMO this is one of the worst reviews i've ever read on MS. this band is all about music and this stupid review gives nothing to the reader about the band and/or their effort on the album. i call this nonsense....

Normally I'd give you this: -_-

But since you were so kind to point out the flaws in my review, allow me to explain.

I wrote this review like they're "copy writers" because they are. Everything here has been done before. And better. There are no original ideas here, not even one new concept. The sound is older than the wine in my grandfather's cellar.

I put more effort into this review than Vektor put into writing original songs.

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 00:12
i just disagree COMPLETELY.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 00:14

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 00:12
i just disagree COMPLETELY.

You disagree with my rating, or with my review?

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 00:27
i disagree with the review. with the way it has been written and with the picture it creates to the reader about the band.

on the other hand this is one of the bands/albums that need many listenings to be "absorbed" by the listener so i just feel sorry for those people who listen to "fast paced society" and cannot see the beauty on it. ok "dying world" is average. but "fast paced society" and the other 2 rerecorded songs are just pure masterpieces...

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 00:33

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 00:27
i disagree with the review. with the way it has been written and with the picture it creates to the reader about the band.

on the other hand this is one of the bands/albums that need many listenings to be "absorbed" by the listener so i just feel sorry for those people who listen to "fast paced society" and cannot see the beauty on it. ok "dying world" is average. but "fast paced society" and the other 2 rerecorded songs are just pure masterpieces...

Well the first part of your comment isn't subjective, so it's better for discussion.

I think I painted a near-perfect picture with my review. I said it's good for what it is but that it's a copied sound that's already been done by some of the genre's masters over 20 years ago. I want the reader to think "oh, these guys sound incredibly similar to [band x] but they're also good at what they do". And I think anyone who reads this will think just that.

As for your off-topic fast-paced society jab and your opinion on what constitutes a masterpiece, this will come into play now: -_-

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 00:39
you didn't. and you know it.
you said to the reader "this is a technically gifted young band who plays just like the older ones. are you willing to listen to a copy-album? of course not"
fast paced society is absolutely on topic as it is a song of the album. i give you back your kind words.
i think we cannot say something more. we disagree on everything. i find this review stupid and 100% subjective.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 00:46

Now I'm all for agreeing to disagree, but you're saying things about me that aren't true.

I didn't paint a good picture? And I know it? Bullshit. I did my best to explain this album to people who have listened to thrash and to those who respect the genre's history. I didn't go out of my way, admittedly, to describe the sound on its own because I felt Vektor did so little in their own approach that it would be doing them more of a service than they did for me as the listener.

Also, that paraphrase job is awful. Where in my review did I say "of course you aren't willing to listen to a 'copy-album'"? Oh right, nowhere. Because the end of my review clearly states fans of thrash will appreciate this for what it is, but they won't find anything new and exciting in it.

Written by K✞ulu on 04.12.2011 at 00:57

I don't know, I am not familiar too much with Destruction besides their first EP and full-length and I could never get into Watchtower, but Vektor don't remind me of Coroner. I am also only partially familiar with Voivod, but from what I have listened, I also don't see much in common. And definitely no relation to Toxik whatsoever.

I actually think Vektor make a very a original breed of thrash and I don't see any copying here. It's quite genuine stuff. I have not gotten into Outer Isolation yet, but I have not heard anything like Black Future ever.

Written by K✞ulu on 04.12.2011 at 00:57
I don't know, I am not familiar too much with Destruction besides their first EP and full-length and I could never get into Watchtower, but Vektor don't remind me of Coroner. I am also only partially familiar with Voivod, but from what I have listened, I also don't see much in common. And definitely no relation to Toxik whatsoever.

I actually think Vektor make a very a original breed of thrash and I don't see any copying here. It's quite genuine stuff. I have not gotten into Outer Isolation yet, but I have not heard anything like Black Future ever.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 04.12.2011 at 01:02

Written by K✞ulu on 04.12.2011 at 00:57

I don't know, I am not familiar too much with Destruction besides their first EP and full-length and I could never get into Watchtower, but Vektor don't remind me of Coroner. I am also only partially familiar with Voivod, but from what I have listened, I also don't see much in common. And definitely no relation to Toxik whatsoever.

I actually think Vektor make a very a original breed of thrash and I don't see any copying here. It's quite genuine stuff. I have not gotten into Outer Isolation yet, but I have not heard anything like Black Future ever.

They are extremely in debt to Killing Technology and Dimension Hatross VoiVod not to the leater periods

Btw not only musically but also logowise and concept wise and title wise.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 04.12.2011 at 01:02
Btw not only musically but also logowise and concept wise and title wise.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 01:05

Written by K✞ulu on 04.12.2011 at 00:57
I don't know, I am not familiar too much with Destruction besides their first EP and full-length and I could never get into Watchtower, but Vektor don't remind me of Coroner. I am also only partially familiar with Voivod, but from what I have listened, I also don't see much in common. And definitely no relation to Toxik whatsoever.

I actually think Vektor make a very a original breed of thrash and I don't see any copying here. It's quite genuine stuff. I have not gotten into Outer Isolation yet, but I have not heard anything like Black Future ever.

This album reminded me plenty of Destruction's Release From Agony, which isn't altogether a bad thing. Like I tried to point out in the review, it isn't that the sound is bad, it's that it just sounds rehashed. It's good for what it is but I wanted more from the originality department. Hell, Sodom's latest did an excellent job with bringing heavy, catchy thrash music that didn't borrow from their early releases just because it would be the easy thing to do. They wrote new songs and their riffs were very different from the past - although they still managed to stick to their signature style.

As for the Coroner reference, that was mostly due to the high level of technicality (same with Watchtower). Both bands played some truly out-of-this-world technical riff-fests that made me wet in my nether regions. Vektor definitely have that going for them, in that they can play their instruments and they know when to highlight their skill level and when to keep it thrashing.

And Voivod - who I only tried to familiarize myself with more this past week as a result of writing them off long ago since I never really enjoyed their music - I was reminded of their guitar sound from their early releases. The Toxik reference is also as a result of the guitars, but also in the vocal approach. Not because this guy wails like a banshee, but because his pitch is incredible.

Written by K✞ulu on 04.12.2011 at 01:12
Hence, not so much rehashing after all... I will check Release From Agony too.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 01:14

Written by K✞ulu on 04.12.2011 at 01:12
Hence, not so much rehashing after all... I will check Release From Agony too.

I honestly think it's a lot of rehashing - from a multitude of bands. That's what I find unoriginal about them. It's not like I think they rip off one band - they rip off a slew of them.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 04.12.2011 at 01:02

Btw not only musically but also logowise and concept wise and title wise.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 01:09

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 04.12.2011 at 01:02
Btw not only musically but also logowise and concept wise and title wise.

I didn't even factor that in. Wow.