Written by totaliteraliter on 17.04.2008 at 21:40

Written by jupitreas on 17.04.2008 at 20:58
Noone told you to put them down. As for Cryptopsy, their attempt at the style is well executed. The album has good songwriting. It is definitely innovative on a technical level, although not really on a stylistic one. Oh wait... Didnt I already state this IN THE REVIEW. Dont people read the review that they are commenting on?

Skimmed it over, reviews on this site tend to be a little fluffy. Didn't even notice you wrote it. How is it technically innovative?

Bottom line, even if it is well-executed, fuck it. We all know what Cryptopsy's motivations are, and we've seen how creatively bankrupt they are without Lord Worm's vision to tie the spazz together. There's a million bands doing this better and more honestly. I only object to idiots playing the open-minded card in this case, and you lauding them for having the "balls" to change their sound to something hip and trendy. They haven't fooled me, at least.

Written by Stuart on 17.04.2008 at 22:03

I can't wait to hear this album, I'm really looking forward to it, i always knews these guys had it in them to one day be able to compose really good music, irrespective of genre, and hey its the same old story, everytime some band grows a little or changes a bit their fans nail them to wall. only to be expected and yes very close-minded. shows up that silly term "metalhead" again and again. I'm surprised that we have not had a comment saying that they are no longer "true".

Written by jupitreas on 17.04.2008 at 21:56

These comments are for the review, dont post here if you havent even read it.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 12:05

I think that this album will show how close-minded metalfans actually are. I am sure that most will not accept the fact that this is a GREAT album. Only because of the name Cryptopsy which is attached to it.

This really is Cryptopsy's BEST album EVER

Written by Herzebeth on 17.04.2008 at 22:36

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 12:05

I think that this album will show how close-minded metalfans actually are. I am sure that most will not accept the fact that this is a GREAT album. Only because of the name Cryptopsy which is attached to it.

This really is Cryptopsy's BEST album EVER

I don't see how me not liking this album makes me close minded....I mean I listen to Sigur Rós for example lol...still I think this is maybe Cryptopsy's worst work ever...

I can see how people like you and maybe Collin and Jupi say this is oh so marvelous, I understand you guys liking this kind of changes and experimentation, but I guess my point is, if Cryptopsy was already a great BDM band why fixing their scheme?

the bottom line is...this album is still an average piece, bands like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Cephalic Carnage, Ion Dissonance, etc. do this kind of music 10 times better than Cryptopsy....AND THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WHY I SAY THIS IS AN UTTER PIECE OF SHIT!

I do like this genre, but I think is actually ridiculous to see this band going for it and failing miserably

Written by totaliteraliter on 17.04.2008 at 22:31

I have read it. Now can you answer my question? How is it technically innovative?

Written by Inlé on 17.04.2008 at 19:31


I would say the opposite. A lot of people will force themselves to like this one but will write off similar just because this has the name "Cryptopsy". If people like this then they'll like pretty much all of metalcore.

Written by Stuart on 17.04.2008 at 22:03

I can't wait to hear this album, I'm really looking forward to it, i always knews these guys had it in them to one day be able to compose really good music, irrespective of genre, and hey its the same old story, everytime some band grows a little or changes a bit their fans nail them to wall. only to be expected and yes very close-minded. shows up that silly term "metalhead" again and again. I'm surprised that we have not had a comment saying that they are no longer "true".

Written by totaliteraliter on 17.04.2008 at 22:31

Whoever decided that "close-minded" meant "unwilling to waste time listening to trend-hopping sellout bands" was an even bigger fool than you, sir.

No, simply bands and people are bound to eventualy grow and try new things. Long term fans find this a difficult reality to deal with. This is not the fault of the band simply the stagnancy of the fan. You say that even if its well executed you simply don't care and that's because you have a preconcieved idea of what YOU would like them to sound like. If it's a shit album and you don't like it fair enough. But give it a chance on its merits. I have never heard this album but intend to simply because of what I've read about it makes it sound really interesting. Maybe I will come back and say that it's terrible but at least I've given it a fair chance something many people have not.

Written by Stuart on 17.04.2008 at 23:01
No, simply bands and people are bound to eventualy grow and try new things. Long term fans find this a difficult reality to deal with. This is not the fault of the band simply the stagnancy of the fan. You say that even if its well executed you simply don't care and that's because you have a preconcieved idea of what YOU would like them to sound like.

Written by jupitreas on 17.04.2008 at 22:53
Its just how the songs flow, how they are constructed etc. Also, the drum playing is inventive in many instances, particularly where fills are concerned. The various twin vocal approaches are also inventive, if not particularly original. The use of samples etc (like the brass mentioned in the review) is also interesting. Basically, how the instruments interact in order to make the songs sound interesting ie. innovative in a technical way. This is not something that one could really explain fairly without getting into a purely musicological analysis; however, it should be pretty obvious after listening closely.

Written by totaliteraliter on 17.04.2008 at 23:22

Sounds like minor things to me, really. These aren't the kind of things I care about in music generally; what Cryptopsy may be doing technically right isn't enough to detract from the corrupt foundation their music is being based on. That's what should be focused upon, not the fresh coat of paint on this rotting corpse... but carry on fans, us more discerning listeners will move along towards music with merit.

Written by totaliteraliter on 17.04.2008 at 23:22

Written by Stuart on 17.04.2008 at 23:01
No, simply bands and people are bound to eventualy grow and try new things. Long term fans find this a difficult reality to deal with. This is not the fault of the band simply the stagnancy of the fan. You say that even if its well executed you simply don't care and that's because you have a preconcieved idea of what YOU would like them to sound like.

I don't care what they sound like. I am only interested in listening to them if they have creativity and integrity (things they have lacked for over a decade).

Written by jupitreas on 17.04.2008 at 22:53
Its just how the songs flow, how they are constructed etc. Also, the drum playing is inventive in many instances, particularly where fills are concerned. The various twin vocal approaches are also inventive, if not particularly original. The use of samples etc (like the brass mentioned in the review) is also interesting. Basically, how the instruments interact in order to make the songs sound interesting ie. innovative in a technical way. This is not something that one could really explain fairly without getting into a purely musicological analysis; however, it should be pretty obvious after listening closely.

Sounds like minor things to me, really. These aren't the kind of things I care about in music generally; what Cryptopsy may be doing technically right isn't enough to detract from the corrupt foundation their music is being based on. That's what should be focused upon, not the fresh coat of paint on this rotting corpse... but carry on fans, us more discerning listeners will move along towards music with merit.

Written by jupitreas on 17.04.2008 at 23:28
It is impressive that you apprently know Flo and co. personally to make that sort of claim

Written by Stuart on 17.04.2008 at 23:36
Well if you think integrity and creativity means rehashing the same ideas and concepts every single album I think you should be looking these words up in the dictionary. The same kind of albums year in and year out don't show any creativity whatsoever simply a lack evolution. If it's a matter of if isn't broken don't fix it attitude, then we will never hear anything new and exciting from anyone, hell we'd still be listening to cave men banging rawhide drums.

Written by Baz Anderson on 17.04.2008 at 11:54

as far as I am concerned this is not Cryptopsy

Written by Jason W. on 18.04.2008 at 06:21

Well, I've never been excited by anything Cryptopsy has done, so I'm certainly not coming in as a long-time fan. But the style change is a really interesting one, and I think the band succeeds in doing what it set out to do, write a brutal death / metalcore album. But, while I find the entire CD very cohesive and well executed, it doesn't mean I find it particularly interesting either, because I feel like I've heard everything on this CD done before by other bands. Cryptopsy does it good, or even equally as good as previous bands, but there isn't much innovation here into the genre. After listening to it a couple of times, I find myself trying to figure out what the point of the album is, except to say, yes we're great musicians and can switch genres on a whim and do it well, but after the initial "ooh" wears off, what's left?

In the end, I find the album soulless but a good listen. But so many bands have done this before, so it's really just a solid genre-album with a vocalist with minimal idenity outside of sounding like what he's supposed to. I think The Dillinger Escape Plan is more interesting and predates this sound by several years, and a band like Between The Buried And Me has more emotional depth in just one or two tracks than this entire Cryptopsy album has.

Written by Stigmatized on 18.04.2008 at 00:30

lulz @ Metal Archives reviews thus far. 6 reviews with an average of 4%.

Written by Clintagräm on 20.04.2008 at 21:03

I love how it's either one side or the other. We have people completely hating the album, trashing it, ridiculously and really making metal heads look like dumb fucks who deserve discrimination (pyro you sound like a bitch). Then we have people who enjoy it, but claim whoever else doesn't enjoy it is a close-minded, stubborn ass. I love opinions. I really do. Hopefully I'll get a chance to listen to it and form my own useless one too.

Written by Dangerboner on 21.04.2008 at 01:27

Written by Clintagräm on 20.04.2008 at 21:03

I love how it's either one side or the other. We have people completely hating the album, trashing it, ridiculously and really making metal heads look like dumb fucks who deserve discrimination (pyro you sound like a bitch). Then we have people who enjoy it, but claim whoever else doesn't enjoy it is a close-minded, stubborn ass. I love opinions. I really do. Hopefully I'll get a chance to listen to it and form my own useless one too.

Really? Because I said I'd give it around a 5 - how's that not being in the middle? You're really generalizing here; maybe you should listen to it before posting a message more useless than our opinions, because you know...your's will ultimately be better, right?