nikarg StaffPosts: 7570 ![](/images/avatars/1/156842) |
I don't ever remember reading an unfavourable review of a big band on Metal Injection.
Eonian is True Norwegian Black Metal? I'm going to bang my head against the wall and then laugh uncontrollably
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
07.05.2018 - 11:56Rating: 7
Written by nikarg on 07.05.2018 at 10:17
Eonian is True Norwegian Black Metal? I'm going to bang my head against the wall and then laugh uncontrollably ![](/images/smilies/lol.gif)
Well, they're from Norway. They started in the early 1990's and reached cult status by the end of that decade. They are a true Norwegian black metal band. No matter what they play now (which is still black metal, by the way).
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SAY10
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07.05.2018 - 23:06Rating: 9
Written by nikarg on 07.05.2018 at 10:17
Eonian is True Norwegian Black Metal? I'm going to bang my head against the wall and then laugh uncontrollably ![](/images/smilies/lol.gif)
It's Norwegian Black Metal for sure. True? Well depends on what that means. Dimmu Borgir is a band that hates labels in music, they said it many times. At least they are original, which is the point I disagree the most in this review. People may not like the music, and that is perfectly fine, but giving 5/10 to originality when there is no other album like this one (for better or worse, depends on personal tastes) it's not really fair.
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nikarg StaffPosts: 7570 ![](/images/avatars/1/156842) |
Guys please read again. I wrote: " Eonian is True Norwegian Black Metal?". I never said the band wasn't TNBM once upon a time.
The review of Metal Injection is referring to the album being True Norwegian Black Metal. Eonian doesn't sound true at all to me and it definitely isn't black metal, at least the way I see black metal. It is Norwegian though, I don't doubt that.
And I was never a DB fan anyway
@Daniell: I listened to the album twice. Couldn't do it a third time. Kudos to you for playing the thing back to back while running (another runner! yay!). But you are right when you say that people listen to albums just once and then just post their opinion on the internet. It's because there is so much music coming out every day and this music also comes out of a phone, tablet or pc. It's also free more or less. If people bought physical copies, they would give albums they didn't like after the first listen another chance, instead of bashing them at once.
Fuck, I sound old.
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tea[m]ster Au Pays Natal ContributorPosts: 5266 ![](/images/avatars/4/40573) |
Never heard of the band. Starting point?
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
08.05.2018 - 10:49Rating: 7
Written by tea[m]ster on 08.05.2018 at 03:45
Never heard of the band. Starting point?
Ha. Ha. Ha.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
08.05.2018 - 11:05Rating: 7
Written by nikarg on 08.05.2018 at 00:41
Guys please read again. I wrote: "Eonian is True Norwegian Black Metal?". I never said the band wasn't TNBM once upon a time.
The review of Metal Injection is referring to the album being True Norwegian Black Metal. Eonian doesn't sound true at all to me and
What's not true here? Do drums sound artificial? Is the singer a robot? Pardon the sarcasm, but in my opinion the idiotic expression "true black metal" is one of the most preposterous things in the whole metal world.
Written by nikarg on 08.05.2018 at 00:41
it definitely isn't black metal, at least the way I see black metal.
Do you realize that you can say this about literally anything, ever? Let me give you some examples:
Metallica's "Master of Puppets" isn't thrash metal, at least the way I see thrash metal.
Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" isn't literature, at least the way I see literature.
Glenlivet isn't whisky, at least the way I see whisky.
See my point?
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nikarg StaffPosts: 7570 ![](/images/avatars/1/156842) |
Written by Daniell on 08.05.2018 at 11:05
Pardon the sarcasm, but in my opinion the idiotic expression "true black metal" is one of the most preposterous things in the whole metal world.
It's just a euphemism. I don't see why you get so wound up about it. No one takes it seriously in 2018. In the early '90s though, it had a meaning and using the term TNBM to describe Eonian is what's preposterous.
Written by Daniell on 08.05.2018 at 11:05
Do you realize that you can say this about literally anything, ever?
Literally anything except universal truths. It's called an opinion. Eonian being black metal is not a universal truth. I stated an opinion, you disagree, fine.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
08.05.2018 - 16:18Rating: 7
Written by nikarg on 08.05.2018 at 16:04
Written by Daniell on 08.05.2018 at 11:05
Pardon the sarcasm, but in my opinion the idiotic expression "true black metal" is one of the most preposterous things in the whole metal world.
It's just a euphemism. I don't see why you get so wound up about it. No one takes it seriously in 2018. In the early '90s though, it had a meaning and using the term TNBM to describe Eonian is what's preposterous.
I'm completely relaxed and wound up at all. If anyone takes the term seriously, it's you ![](/images/smilies/smiley.gif) Because it was you who commented on it in the first place.
Written by nikarg on 08.05.2018 at 16:04
Literally anything except universal truths. It's called an opinion. Eonian being black metal is not a universal truth. I stated an opinion, you disagree, fine.
There are objective traits to be found in this album that qualify it as black metal. After all, all genres are defined by defining traits they inherently possess, e.g. tremolo picking and shrieking vocals in black metal.
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Karlabos
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08.05.2018 - 16:26Rating: 5
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tea[m]ster Au Pays Natal ContributorPosts: 5266 ![](/images/avatars/4/40573) |
Written by Daniell on 08.05.2018 at 10:49
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Seriously. Rec me an album.
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Karlabos
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09.05.2018 - 04:55Rating: 5
Written by tea[m]ster on 09.05.2018 at 03:57
Written by Daniell on 08.05.2018 at 10:49
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Seriously. Rec me an album.
On the very unlikely case this is actually serious, I'm going to go ahead and ignore popularity opinion and recommend my personal favourite album: Death Cult Armageddon
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barnesy
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I like going back to the Stone Age now and again. I'm gonna say though; best riff of 2018= Aetheric.
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nikarg StaffPosts: 7570 ![](/images/avatars/1/156842) |
Written by tea[m]ster on 09.05.2018 at 03:57
Seriously. Rec me an album.
Stormblåst (the 1996 one of course) or Enthrone Darkness Triumphant.
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IBlackened
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Written by Daniell on 08.05.2018 at 11:05
What's not true here? Do drums sound artificial? Is the singer a robot? Pardon the sarcasm, but in my opinion the idiotic expression "true black metal" is one of the most preposterous things in the whole metal world.
You may not like the term (it holds no value for me either), but anyone familiar with Black Metal history knows what it means. This album sounds nothing like early 2nd wave Norwegian Black Metal bands and it's also not a pure Black Metal record, with so many elements not associated with the genre at that time. So yes, saying Eonian is True Norwegian Black Metal makes no sense and is misleading, unless he's referring to "Black Metal-influenced albums released by Norwegian bands", but that's not what it originally meant. It's like calling In Flames "True Swedish Death Metal" to put them in the same group as Entombed or Dismember.
Written by Daniell on 08.05.2018 at 16:18
There are objective traits to be found in this album that qualify it as black metal. After all, all genres are defined by defining traits they inherently possess, e.g. tremolo picking and shrieking vocals in black metal.
Definitely, but the album is not comprised of those traits alone. There are a lot of non-Black Metal elements here, definitely enough to also label it as Symphonic Metal, and that's where it gets debatable. It's not 100% Black Metal (or Symphonic), and some people may not see it as just a Black Metal (or Symphonic) record because of that, just like Black/Death, Black/Doom, Death/Doom, Deathgrind etc. I see it as mix of both, neither one nor the other.
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09.05.2018 - 22:47Rating: 7
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
10.05.2018 - 09:42Rating: 7
Written by IBlackened on 09.05.2018 at 21:09
Definitely, but the album is not comprised of those traits alone. There are a lot of non-Black Metal elements here, definitely enough to also label it as Symphonic Metal, and that's where it gets debatable. It's not 100% Black Metal (or Symphonic), and some people may not see it as just a Black Metal (or Symphonic) record because of that, just like Black/Death, Black/Doom, Death/Doom, Deathgrind etc. I see it as mix of both, neither one nor the other.
I see your point. But look at "In The Nightside Eclipse". It has craploads of keyboards all over it, but I've never seen anyone call this album Symphonic Metal. Moreover, I'm pretty sure most of fans would classify it as "true black metal"...
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Trojanman190
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10.05.2018 - 21:07Rating: 10
"This is just Nightwish with Emperor Palpatine on vocals."
It's not good when the review is pointless after the first sentence. If you really feel that way you might need to go back and listen to some Nightwish. I know people love to hate on Dimmu and their new sound (its been over a decade since they "sold out", get over it) but that comparison is just ridiculous.
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IBlackened
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Written by Daniell on 10.05.2018 at 09:42
I see your point. But look at "In The Nightside Eclipse". It has craploads of keyboards all over it, but I've never seen anyone call this album Symphonic Metal. Moreover, I'm pretty sure most of fans would classify it as "true black metal"...
I think it boils down to the balance between Black and Symphonic metal. Just like with Death/Doom, which a lot of times means "doom with growls" and not an actual mix of Death and Doom, most of the symphonic elements from ITNE are just basic synth lines following the guitars. It's more like Black metal with keyboards than a fusion of Black and Symphonic metal. If you remove the synths, there's still a Black metal record there, just like Limbonic Art first albums. But in Eonian's case, Black metal is almost secondary sometimes. But that's just my opinion.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
11.05.2018 - 10:09Rating: 7
Written by IBlackened on 10.05.2018 at 21:35
I think it boils down to the balance between Black and Symphonic metal. Just like with Death/Doom, which a lot of times means "doom with growls" and not an actual mix of Death and Doom, most of the symphonic elements from ITNE are just basic synth lines following the guitars. It's more like Black metal with keyboards than a fusion of Black and Symphonic metal. If you remove the synths, there's still a Black metal record there, just like Limbonic Art first albums. But in Eonian's case, Black metal is almost secondary sometimes. But that's just my opinion.
Again, I see your point. And I'm not really disagreeing with you. All I'm trying to say is that genre definitions are blurry.
Besides, lots of people hate on Dimmu Borgir (I don't mean you) because it's in vogue, so to speak. Rarely do these people really listen to Eonian, they just go with the flow, because it's "cool" to bash the band online.
All that said, I'm done listening to the album. At some point it seemed to me that it would turn out to be much better than I thought, but ultimately that is not the case. It's a solid album, but not worth more than a 7.
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SAY10
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12.05.2018 - 17:31Rating: 9
Written by Trojanman190 on 10.05.2018 at 21:07
"This is just Nightwish with Emperor Palpatine on vocals."
It's not good when the review is pointless after the first sentence. If you really feel that way you might need to go back and listen to some Nightwish. I know people love to hate on Dimmu and their new sound (its been over a decade since they "sold out", get over it) but that comparison is just ridiculous.
It's been over a week listening to this album every single day, and I'm yet to find a single thing that can be compared to Nightwish.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
14.05.2018 - 14:40Rating: 7
Written by SAY10 on 12.05.2018 at 17:31
It's been over a week listening to this album every single day, and I'm yet to find a single thing that can be compared to Nightwish.
Keyboards in "Interdimensional Summit" do bring Nightwish to mind. But that's about it.
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17.05.2018 - 17:15Rating: 7
Written by Daniell on 14.05.2018 at 14:40
Keyboards in "Interdimensional Summit" do bring Nightwish to mind. But that's about it.
Exactly my thought. The album as a whole is not as "over-symphonic" as I had expected. Keyboards and choirs make for most of the symphonic elements. Except for the annoying "water-drip" keyboard that's on almost every track, I actually enjoy the album. It would be unfair and not objective at all to say it's too symphonic and not metal enough, since there are awesome riffs and blastbeats in there, which is a step up from Abrahadabra.
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Written by Karlabos on 09.05.2018 at 04:55
Written by tea[m]ster on 09.05.2018 at 03:57
Written by Daniell on 08.05.2018 at 10:49
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Seriously. Rec me an album.
On the very unlikely case this is actually serious, I'm going to go ahead and ignore popularity opinion and recommend my personal favourite album: Death Cult Armageddon
Damn, I regret not getting here earlier in order to circumvent that guy looking up Death Cult Armageddon as his first taste of Dimmu Borgir (if indeed, it's a genuine request - which it obviously isn't).
The greatest Dimmu album is Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia. By some distance. It's followed by Enthrone Darkness Triumphant and then Spiritual Black Dimensions. Urgh, Death Cult is such a lame album by comparison. As for Stormblast and For All Tid, those are silly little wannabe albums that even today are overrated. Stack them up against the giants of that era, like Emperor and Burzum, and they're tosh.
As for this review, it's always foolhardy to have a non-fan review a Dimmu Borgir album. They're just one of those bands that turn people off, so with the reviewer admitting - to his credit - that he isn't really a fan, we know that there is no chance this album was going to get past a 7/10 maximum.
That's the odd thing about metal reviews. Everyone has their preferences and turn-offs, meaning that individual reviews like these are virtually meaningless. This review is good as a talking point, but it's not helpful for people who are interested in Dimmu Borgir and want to know how it stands up to the back catalogue or offers something new etc. This review is just a regular metal fan saying he isn't all that into the band. I get it, but it's hardly insightful.
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26.05.2018 - 21:49Rating: 10
THERION for crying out loud not Nightwish. Where the fuck do you see folk elements in Eonian?
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IBlackened
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Written by Absinthe on 18.05.2018 at 11:34
As for this review, it's always foolhardy to have a non-fan review a Dimmu Borgir album. They're just one of those bands that turn people off, so with the reviewer admitting - to his credit - that he isn't really a fan, we know that there is no chance this album was going to get past a 7/10 maximum.
That's the odd thing about metal reviews. Everyone has their preferences and turn-offs, meaning that individual reviews like these are virtually meaningless. This review is good as a talking point, but it's not helpful for people who are interested in Dimmu Borgir and want to know how it stands up to the back catalogue or offers something new etc. This review is just a regular metal fan saying he isn't all that into the band. I get it, but it's hardly insightful.
If he's not a fan, and according to you that makes his review worthless, why do you care about the rating? Even if he gave 10 to Eonian, it wouldn't matter, right?
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
21.06.2018 - 11:30Rating: 7
Written by Absinthe on 18.05.2018 at 11:34
As for this review, it's always foolhardy to have a non-fan review a Dimmu Borgir album.
Oh, I didn't know that only fans can write reviews.
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24.07.2018 - 15:15Rating: 10
Written by SAY10 on 06.05.2018 at 18:30
Honestly i can't see anything resembling Nightwish here, and this comes from a Nightwish fan. Yes this album is much more symphonic, which for my personal tastes it's great, but there is nothing Nightwish in here, and it shouldn't be. If i had to compare this album to a symphonic metal band out there, i would probably say Epica much more than Nightwish.
Point isn't if this album is more in Epica, Nightwish or Therion style, we don't have to go in so much details which bands it reminds us, but point is it's more less typical symphonic black metal they used to & for us, Black Metal listeners this album reminds above mentioned bands which we usually do not listen and they sound same to us, even if they aren't. That's it.
Speaking about review, I agree with author, well said, just unlike him I didn't give this album more than 4 points.
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Liafev
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08.12.2020 - 17:57Rating: 8
Written by Dean0495 on 24.07.2018 at 15:15
Point isn't if this album is more in Epica, Nightwish or Therion style, we don't have to go in so much details which bands it reminds us, but point is it's more less typical symphonic black metal they used to & for us, Black Metal listeners this album reminds above mentioned bands which we usually do not listen and they sound same to us, even if they aren't. That's it.
Speaking about review, I agree with author, well said, just unlike him I didn't give this album more than 4 points.
I guess the point is, the album is criticised for being what it is, but the reviewer does't seem to actually really know what it is. Doesn't make much sense to me. I don't go review stuff I don't understand and say they are bad, I either try to get it or leave it alone.
I think I'll never understand people who bash an artist for trying something new. I strongly believe Eonian is good. It's just made for the elitists true black metal fans.
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08.12.2020 - 20:52Rating: 4
Written by Liafev on 08.12.2020 at 17:57
It's just made for the elitists true black metal fans.
You think this album is targeted at black metal purists?
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