Kosovo - new country at Balkan

Written by Taktsekte on 22.02.2008 at 18:49


@Stalker: Nevertheless, you are not always supposed to defend your country at all costs. For example, I will never justify the enslavement and slaughter of millions of people by Spaniards during many centuries. And I'm not only referring to the Americas.

Of course. Did I say something like that? Did I say I support violence anywhere on this pages?? In fact, Ive condemned taht many times. But it hurts me how crimes of others are so easily forgotten.

Written by Taktsekte on 22.02.2008 at 18:49



Not only has there never been a Kosovar identity (separatists even invented a new Kosovar flag this week, which I find way too similar to the BiH one),

it was funny to see new kosovo flag, yeah looks a lot liek ours, but ppl in Kosovo choosed their flag by them self, on the other way Bosnian flag is choosed by ppl who present europian union,
Bosnia have flag, but serbs didn't wanted to take that one, god knows why, cause our old flag was taken from one of king from history of bosnia but that ain0t metter
our flag present shape of bosnia and couple of starts what should be say u r under a EU supervision, like kosovo is

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@Gina73ss

most of ppl from balakan r hard workin ppl, even in ex yugoslavia a lot ppl from here worked in western europe ,usa and aussie, and they come back home and bring money..... (oh maby not thos from monte negro, they r known as very lazy ppl here)
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Eddie! OMFG- my Balkan friends- they tell me the same thing! LMAO...Nothing against Montenegro- the girls from there I met are very nice! And so pretty... But that is funny you would say the EXACT same thing! LMAO...

..thanks for bringing a smile in a bad situation. I will probably have to cancel my trip to Belgrade for August, but that's ok...someday I will get there & see the Fruska Gora monestaries....

I don't really know about the whole Balcans conflict shit, but I do know that for me always the Serbians had been presented as the evil ones and the Kosovars as the poor suffering martyrs, and I think that's what happens in the whole occidental world. I had really liked to read this whole thread, it had certainly gave me new points of view that I never had before.

I personally support their sovereignty 100%

If people want to be independant, then I believe that that's their right.

@Gina73ss
yeah i totaly don't have anything against Monte Negro ppl, but for ages they r known as lazy ppl, they even admit that, too bad we don't have anyone from MN here....
don't go Belgrade then come to Bosnia visit Sarajevo and we have much more nice things to see


Looks like Belgrade and Serbia will suffer a lot, cause of those riots nights ago, Basketball match betwen Partizan vs Cibona is canceled, safety reasons, team zagreb tunr back home from half way to belgrade, and i heard that there is a huge chance to cancle a eurosong competition that is suposed to take part in may in Belgrade ,,,,, so they allready losing not cause of Kosovo cause of them selfs


@Arian Totalis
yeah i agree give to ppl what they won't, problme is double standards, a lot of otehrs wants independecy.... EU and usa don't give them a chance for that

Written by EddieGunner on 23.02.2008 at 18:16

Monte Negro ppl, but for ages they r known as lazy ppl, they even admit that

Does that have anything to do with Venetian, i.e. Italian domination? Italians are viewed as lazy people in Western Europe xD

Written by Ernis on 25.02.2008 at 00:06

Written by Arian Totalis on 23.02.2008 at 08:22

I personally support their sovereignty 100%

If people want to be independant, then I believe that that's their right.

Imagine you live in a country....imagine that you've lived there for ages since that's your homeland....your parents and grandparents and great-grandparents etc....then imagine that lots of people move in to your country from a neighbouring state....imagine that one day there are very many of them and then they simply clap their hands and say "All right, bitches, we'll make our own state, our own rules and our own independence here and you go fuck off!"
I think you wouldn't like it......so try to put yourself into the situation....the situation isn't nice....
And in case you haven't heard bout the Albanian dream of the Great Albania which would mean that Albanians get all areas they have managed to populate outside the borders of their national homeland, the neighbouring counties of Macedonia and Greece, not so speak of Kosovo which they already managed to get....Albanians are muslims...and the fact that they've destroyed Christian sanctuaries and holy sites which date back to Middle Ages....this sort of shows that they are not a very nice and culture loving peaceful people....

WHY on earth support the sovereignty of a nationality who already have sovereignty? There is the original Albania which is completely independent! They have their borders and the reason that there are Albanians living outside Albania doesn't give them any right to expand their borders....

I don't know about Albania, but I DO know that Kosovo broke away from Serbia, and they were not neceserrily soveriegn seeing as how they were considered to be a governed territory, and not an actual part of the state. So inherently that means that if a majority of people want independence, well then damit, they deserve it. Of course there will be loyalists, but loyalists should go to the country that they are loyal to, and allow those who desire independence to have it. Cuba deserved to be free from Spain and the US, and Kosovo deserves to be free from Serbia.

Im getting sick of all people who think they are so smart, but dont know shit about historical facts or curent situation except for what propaganda feeds them, so, I'm outa here. Bye bye all.

Somebody please kill this fucking thread... It seems that the destinies of the peoples who live in the Balkan are governed by everybody but those people. So please stop arguing about things that you know very little about.

no filip it's very intersting to watch this thread now when is more opened, and were r more ppl far away from this balakan, states talking about this proble,,,,, well here comes propaganda, we see that ppl who lived in eastern block r more on the serbian side, what showes Russian influence....


@Hobbit Viggo
kosovo is heart of serbia he hee, SLobodan Milosevic was saying this just days before he attack slovenia,croatia,bosnia and they kosovo.....
dude u sound liek him, like casapine from balakn...

Written by Ernis on 25.02.2008 at 13:52

A cuckoo lays an egg into a sparrow's nest....the sparrow raises the cuckoo bird with her own children but the result is that the cuckoo will take the little sparrow birds and throws them out of the nest and kills them....well...according to the logic of some people....a cuckoo DESERVES that nest.....

If the cuckoo manages to secure the nest, isn't it rightfully his then? Isn't the evolution about the survival of the most adaptable? Sure, if I try to look at these things through obscuring the truth with my subjective emotions, it may seem a bit unfair, but when I look at it rationally it does make sense. Same with the Albanians, the land's now theirs as they have managed to secure it for themselves. Emotions and subjective opinions aside, that's the way of the world.

And before anyone starts to make assumptions like "so you approve what has been done to the native americans?" etc, I'll just say that the colonization of America was highly disruptive to the ecosystem there and the native americans had a very healthy relationship with the nature, the independence of Kosovo however isn't going to damage the natural balance any more, as it has already been ruined in most of Europe for ages.

You can all call me an eco-fascist or a misanthrope if you wish but imo the laws of nature are superior to man-made values.

Do not trifle with our nationalist history, this won't end well...

I guess I'm gonna get flamed for that but whatever, it isn't like I was hateful towards anyone, I was just expressing my opinion.

Come to think of it, actually I would have preferred if Kosovo wouldn't have gotten their independence, as I'm pretty worried about how the situation could end up, with all the tensions and everybody gettting so over-excited about it...

Written by Ernis on 25.02.2008 at 13:52

Just because Albanians came to live there, procreated fast and made the native inhabitants leave their homes, thus becoming the majority themselves doesn't give them any right to make Kosovo a country of their own....that's called stealing....you cannot steal a land from people who lived there before you.....

Why not? The Israelis did it...with the world's approval...oh my bad just forgot they stole it from Muslims, then it's ok!

Written by GT on 25.02.2008 at 20:37

Written by Ernis on 25.02.2008 at 13:52

Just because Albanians came to live there, procreated fast and made the native inhabitants leave their homes, thus becoming the majority themselves doesn't give them any right to make Kosovo a country of their own....that's called stealing....you cannot steal a land from people who lived there before you.....

Why not? The Israelis did it...with the world's approval...oh my bad just forgot they stole it from Muslims, then it's ok!

yeah it's ok, in new storys, muslims r those bad guys .....

Written by [user id=23267] on 25.02.2008 at 19:47

And before anyone starts to make assumptions like "so you approve what has been done to the native americans?" etc, I'll just say that the colonization of America was highly disruptive to the ecosystem there and the native americans had a very healthy relationship with the nature, the independence of Kosovo however isn't going to damage the natural balance any more, as it has already been ruined in most of Europe for ages.

Translation: "I never eat potatoes".

@Hobbit Viggo
one question, u can answer if u want.....but if u answer please shortly...

Did u ever been in serbia or kosovo, and if u did how long, i think second question don't need to ask did u every lived on the teritory of EX Yu

Written by Bad English on 25.02.2008 at 21:53

Written by EddieGunner on 25.02.2008 at 21:41



Did u ever been in serbia or kosovo, and if u did how long, i think second question don't need to ask did u every lived on the teritory of EX Yu

Not but we had same problems what left I mean what left some cpountry who split up..even langauge probleme

u r not Viggo

Written by Taktsekte on 25.02.2008 at 21:39

Translation: "I never eat potatoes".

I do, in fact I love potatoes, especially when fried . Imo what's done is done and though I do not think that the way America was colonized was particularily appealing, I do not find that America or white man in America or whatever is the root of all evil, also the same applies to Kosovo, imo. Ok, Albanians came to Kosovo, more or less acted like assholes (read: disrespectfully towards the Serbs) and eventually took the territory over from the Serbs, that's history now and the best thing to do is to move on. Some nations lose territory, others gain territory, nations and languages die etc, but that's natural, everything's constantly changing and no one can stop time.

@Viggo: I can see that you feel very strongly about this, and that's okay, we are all entitled to our opinions, but as far as my cuba analogy, I feel that it's perfectly applicable. I mean, by your Rationale, the United States shouldn't even be independent because we stole it from native americans. (I have some Cherokee blood in me, by the way.) But the fact is, by the time revolution was at hand, we were already the majority and people had lived here there whole lives, this had BECOME their homeland, and they didn't want to be opressed by the brittish government anymore. What were we supposed to do? Go back to whatever country that particular persons lineage came from? It was too late for that, so the only thing left to do was to take our freedom. The same could be said of Cuba. The spanish government was opressing the people, so they wanted free, and with help from the US, they got their freedom.....only for the US to use the war as an excuse to imperialize. So then eventually the cubans won their independence from us. Well, now it's the same for Kosovo, even though the people there may not be the native inhabitants, it's too late for that because this has become their homeland, and if they feel opressed or the need to break free from their government for WHATEVER reason, well then as I said before, Damnit they should have their independence.

Like I said man, you can feel how you wanna feel, I can't change that but I do respect it. We all have different world views, and the best way to get along in this world is accept the world views of others. The thing about MY world view is that I believe in the ability of a people to be free, and this is something that will remain unchanging in me, so while we disagree, I think it would be cool to simply agree to it. That is to say, we "agree to disagree." I hope you understand my logic man.


and about that whole albania thing, the thing is I really didn't know, all I knew about was Serbia, so thankyou for educating me.

the world would be perfect if ppl stopped thinking about what part of this earth you come from and acknowledge that this is no ones earth and we have to share it!

just my opnion

Written by Bad English on 26.02.2008 at 12:20

Written by [user id=16496] on 26.02.2008 at 12:15

the world would be perfect if ppl stopped thinking about what part of this earth you come from and acknowledge that this is no ones earth and we have to share it!

just my opnion

say it to those popele who a srioting in Danmark some time ago

The young boys of immigrants who are burning cars or what?

@Kariasakis7
if i'm not wrong their riots were cause of some old building in kopenhagen.... that youngster were using as a skvot or what is the name

Written by Bad English on 26.02.2008 at 16:05



BTW Kosovo cant be free thay wont made wine and alcohol there

well u never know, albani has one really good and quality koniak Skenderbeg it's very good one

well those player r afraid for they lifes, we all saw what happend in belgrade few nights ago... a lot of partizan,zvezda and other fans were in those riots when they attacked USA and Croatian embassy's so i understand those american's players that didn't wanted to go in Belgrade , smart thing to do

please explain to me why the Croatian embassy was attacked.


Although rioting is stupid I can more or less understand why the US embassy was attacked, cause they recognised Kosovo as a souvereign country. But Croatia hadn't (yet?)

personally i don't have a problem with kososvo bring independant, but i also think that in the long run the best solution to avoid conflicts is to relocate all the serbs who live in kosovo and vice versa.

Written by belisarius on 28.02.2008 at 20:07

personally i don't have a problem with kososvo bring independant, but i also think that in the long run the best solution to avoid conflicts is to relocate all the serbs who live in kosovo and vice versa.

As a general rule, people really don't like being reallocated. Forcibly displacing whole populations tends to create very big problems with lots of unrest and violence. The situation is already at a boiling point - why make it worse and risk a civil war?

Written by [user id=22888] on 29.02.2008 at 02:30

Written by belisarius on 28.02.2008 at 20:07

personally i don't have a problem with kososvo bring independant, but i also think that in the long run the best solution to avoid conflicts is to relocate all the serbs who live in kosovo and vice versa.

As a general rule, people really don't like being reallocated. Forcibly displacing whole populations tends to create very big problems with lots of unrest and violence. The situation is already at a boiling point - why make it worse and risk a civil war?

that's what i ment with "in the long run". when everyone is rellocated noweone will be happy of course and maybe there would come a war. but better one war then like in israel several wars for almost 50 years now.