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Pretty disturbing article, the deification and worship of this guy seems like a really bad thing for metal in general. Due to his death he has been given far too much praise and credit to the point of historical revision (or at least ignorance on the part of the less informed fanboys... you hear things like "Chuck invented death metal" way too often). And some of the comments you hear are downright scary:
Written by Arian Totalis on 16.02.2007 at 23:57
...whenever I'm playing my guitar or just thinking about him, I sorta feel like he's with me, guiding me and my thoughts. Kind of like how I feel he's here right now.
I hope that was a joke, but otherwise...
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I really like Death, I do. But I'd still say it's an overrated band. Not THAT great.
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R.I.P. Chuck Schuldiner, I will never forget you by the way death metal alive with your memento . I was started metal by his
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Chuck Schuldiner is death metal god great player and vocal
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Written by [user id=12867] on 18.10.2006 at 08:25
Written by [user id=14220] on 15.10.2006 at 23:23
Chuck is Death Metal's hero like Dimmu Borgir are the creators of black metal.
Honestly, why did you bother to insult someone such as Chuck with such pathetic sarcasm?
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This article really brought a tear to my eye. A fantastic article inspired by the god of death metal. Chuck Schuldiner will never be forgotten.
As for the comment made by fucked upstairs - fuck you man. I can see you have an attitude of an immature black metaller. try to be a little more open minded. what Chuck did was art, and if you don't like it because you have different tastes in music, take comments like these and shove them up your ass.
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It's also amusing how much sand the average Chuck fanboy has in his vagina. He's dead, get over it.
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Written by Doc G. on 29.04.2007 at 05:24
Written by [user id=14220] on 18.10.2006 at 08:46
You don't know me so I don't bother to answer in my typical way.
Opium: I love death metal and I love some of Chuck's stuff (Pre-Death) and I can bang my head to Scream Bloody Gore. The fact is, Cuck is overrated. And even if I respect the opinions here of every user, I'm just fucking fed up with all this: "OMG IZ CHUCK HE INVENTED DEATH METAL HE IS THE BEST DEATH METAL MUSCIAN IN THE WORLD!!!!1111ONEONEONE"
And most Death fans don't talk about their opinion they put Chuck on the front and praise him for creating everything, and that's fucking crap.
Finally, Im not alone in the universe. I wasnt going to put it that harshly but your absolutely right, Chuck is probably one of if not THEE most overrated musician in metal. Seems you cant admit that without facing extreme ridicule from an entire planet of Chuck worshippers.
And no my observation is not coming from ignorance, Ive actually been duped into buying not 1, not 2, but 3 Death albums, first I bought Symbolic because I was told that was there best, frankly 8/9 songs on that album bored me. So I bought Scream Bloody Gore, just in case Symbolic was an off album, and I was bored even further. Then I got Individual Thought Patterns, which is when I realised that Death is massively overrated. Luckily I was able to return SBG and ITP.
I love how anything that is good is automatically labeled as "overrated". While I don't agree that Chuck is the sole "inventor" of death metal; I do know that his playing style is extremely unique and his lyrics (mostly after the first 2-3 albums) are genius. If you knew anything about music and/or guitar then you wouldn't say Death is overrated. Also, as for the albums you listened to - Scream Bloody Gore isn't anything special; Individual Thought Patterns wouldn't be great to the untrained ear as I can try to imagine because the recording quality isn't the greatest; but I still don't get you, the drums and bass on Individual is outstanding as well as the lyrics and fucking Andy LaRocque is amazing - I'm curious, what song on Symbolic were you not bored by? Wait, now I do get you, Motorhead? Guns and Roses? HAH High on Fire? Municipal Waste? What kind of shit is "Hardcore Superstar"? No wonder why you don't appreciate deep lyrics and technical death metal! Please be duped into listening to "Human" and "Sound of Perseverance" at least before you make any comments about Death, listen to a band's discography and look up the lyrics before you make a decision.
I don't mean to direct all of that at just you two, this goes for everyone.
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Written by [user id=3528] on 11.09.2008 at 22:24
I love how anything that is good is automatically labeled as "overrated".
Overrated means more hype for a band that doesn't deserve it. I thoroughly believe Chuck wasn't all that great and doesn't deserve the praise he gets, not to speak ill of the dead. Theres a lot of good bands that have a lot of hype and I feel they deserve it.
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Written by Doc G. on 11.09.2008 at 22:52
Written by [user id=3528] on 11.09.2008 at 22:24
I love how anything that is good is automatically labeled as "overrated".
Overrated means more hype for a band that doesn't deserve it. I thoroughly believe Chuck wasn't all that great and doesn't deserve the praise he gets, not to speak ill of the dead. Theres a lot of good bands that have a lot of hype and I feel they deserve it.
like what bands... man I don't think that guy was right by talking like that, but the subject of overratedness just comes down to person's tastes. I never call bands overrated. I say I don't like them... that's it.
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Written by K✞ulu on 11.09.2008 at 23:17
Written by Doc G. on 11.09.2008 at 22:52
Written by [user id=3528] on 11.09.2008 at 22:24
I love how anything that is good is automatically labeled as "overrated".
Overrated means more hype for a band that doesn't deserve it. I thoroughly believe Chuck wasn't all that great and doesn't deserve the praise he gets, not to speak ill of the dead. Theres a lot of good bands that have a lot of hype and I feel they deserve it.
like what bands... man I don't think that guy was right by talking like that, but the subject of overratedness just comes down to person's tastes. I never call bands overrated. I say I don't like them... that's it.
Personally I think Opeth are exactly where the deserve to be. I think they hit 182 in the Billboard top 300 which I think is amazing for a band with death metal aspects. But then I guess some could consider that overrated. I guess I just don't understand the whole Chuck worship.
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CS forever. m/ RIP
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Well some important points here, at least, in my own opinion:
-I respect Schuldiner's work, it is deep and done with a lot of feeling, but I can't think of him as the founder of Death Metal just as I can't think of Venom as the fathers of Black Metal, yes, my opinion is that Possessed was before Death, and yes, for me Quorthon was the truly of Black Metal (and "Viking" too), they are co-founders, I don't think about a single band that invented a genre, there were more than one.
-I can't stand the fact that whenever something has a lots of fans or success you start to listen comments like "Oh it's OVERRATED", hey here in MS you love this word, "Iron Maiden is overrated", "Metallica is overrated", "Death is overrated" aaaah I can't stand that, yeah, Global warming is overrated too! So maybe we should stop talking about that, well I just wanted to release my frustration.
-How would it be if Chuck Schuldiner and Cliff Burton were still alive???
Oh and by the way, the name is SCHULDINER with a C before the H.
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I always liked death, but it was after i start playing guitar and play in a band that i come to appreciate and understand the depth and beauty of Chucks Music. It seems his music is build in layers and everytime i hear it i hear new things.
I wont mention names...but some people overhere are really talking from there asshole. Death is by NO means overrated. Chuck deserves all the popularity and respect he can get. He was a PURE musician and a PURE person. His music came from the hearth. If a person or a band gets a certain status there are always people saying that he/she or it is overrated. Bands like Iron Maiden are overrated because almost everyone like them.....right. Everyone likes them BECAUSE they are GOOD. And so is it with Death. Chuck was an amazing personality and a genius in music. He invented (started) an entire Metal Genre and inspired lots and lots of others. For that he is a legend in Metal. And every metalhead should know, respect and appreciate the legends and groundbreaking musicians of our Scene.
You dont have to like this kind of music, but you must be able to see what he did. If you cant get it......your no real metalhead. I would feel ashamed to talk about chuck with some of you guys, knowing you are into metal and talk like this about him.
And NO chuck was not a christian he wasnt into any relgion at all. He didnt like satanic, negative and anti-life bands and didnt go with any religion. Thats why he changed later on the Death Logo (the letter T from a turned cross to a normal T)......because he didnt want to implicate any idea of relegion. Stop making things up and talk from your ass......go and listen Real metal made by real pure people. Enough said.
I loved to read the article its very good and well written. Thanks Mullet
May the father of Death Metal rest in peace.
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...great article, very emotional...nice mullet
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Children, Chuck wasn't a Saint who martyred for our sins.
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Weren't his parents Jewish?
I thought it was common knowledge that Possessed were the originators of death metal. Furthermore I fear that Chuck's legacy probably does suffer from his death, as harsh as that may sound. There's no doubt he was a fantastic musician but, as is always the case, people are always going to overcompensate for someone and that tends to bring about backlash.
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Written by Ascendant187 on 24.11.2008 at 17:03
Weren't his parents Jewish?
What does that have to do with anything?
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2008 at 19:14
Written by Ascendant187 on 24.11.2008 at 17:03
Weren't his parents Jewish?
What does that have to do with anything? 
People were talking about whether or not Chuck had sought out religion (Christianity in particular, it seems) in his latter years. Hence the whole changing of the Death logo and such. I recall reading somewhere that his parents were Jewish but very open minded, to both religions and his eventual choice in music. I could be very wrong however. It is the internet after all and not everything you read is true.
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Written by Ascendant187 on 25.11.2008 at 11:51
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2008 at 19:14
Written by Ascendant187 on 24.11.2008 at 17:03
Weren't his parents Jewish?
What does that have to do with anything? 
People were talking about whether or not Chuck had sought out religion (Christianity in particular, it seems) in his latter years. Hence the whole changing of the Death logo and such. I recall reading somewhere that his parents were Jewish but very open minded, to both religions and his eventual choice in music. I could be very wrong however. It is the internet after all and not everything you read is true.
Well, his mother, Jane Schuldiner, said that he:
talked about God frequently
he was spiritual
But that's all she wanna say about the matter. http://www.emptywords.org/perennial.htm
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Written by K✞ulu on 25.11.2008 at 14:33
Written by Ascendant187 on 25.11.2008 at 11:51
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2008 at 19:14
Written by Ascendant187 on 24.11.2008 at 17:03
Weren't his parents Jewish?
What does that have to do with anything? 
People were talking about whether or not Chuck had sought out religion (Christianity in particular, it seems) in his latter years. Hence the whole changing of the Death logo and such. I recall reading somewhere that his parents were Jewish but very open minded, to both religions and his eventual choice in music. I could be very wrong however. It is the internet after all and not everything you read is true.
Well, his mother, Jane Schuldiner, said that he:
talked about God frequently
he was spiritual
But that's all she wanna say about the matter. http://www.emptywords.org/perennial.htm
Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
We're sidetracking in a big way though. Chuck should be honoured and remembered for his contributions. People who downright disrespect him come off as ignorant. Of course perhaps the same can be said for those who do tend to play the role of fanboy and promote him as the Godfather of Death Metal (and so on...). He's not the creator of death metal, no, but that doesn't mean he deserves to have his name tarnished.
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Written by Ascendant187 on 25.11.2008 at 15:16
Written by K✞ulu on 25.11.2008 at 14:33
Written by Ascendant187 on 25.11.2008 at 11:51
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2008 at 19:14
Written by Ascendant187 on 24.11.2008 at 17:03
Weren't his parents Jewish?
What does that have to do with anything? 
People were talking about whether or not Chuck had sought out religion (Christianity in particular, it seems) in his latter years. Hence the whole changing of the Death logo and such. I recall reading somewhere that his parents were Jewish but very open minded, to both religions and his eventual choice in music. I could be very wrong however. It is the internet after all and not everything you read is true.
Well, his mother, Jane Schuldiner, said that he:
talked about God frequently
he was spiritual
But that's all she wanna say about the matter. http://www.emptywords.org/perennial.htm
Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
We're sidetracking in a big way though. Chuck should be honoured and remembered for his contributions. People who downright disrespect him come off as ignorant. Of course perhaps the same can be said for those who do tend to play the role of fanboy and promote him as the Godfather of Death Metal (and so on...). He's not the creator of death metal, no, but that doesn't mean he deserves to have his name tarnished.
Why do you address me with that? I just answered you question regarding his religious views. I love Death, they are one of my favorite bands, and Chuck of course was a great songwriter and musician; I don't deny that.
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Written by K✞ulu on 25.11.2008 at 21:05
Written by Ascendant187 on 25.11.2008 at 15:16
Written by K✞ulu on 25.11.2008 at 14:33
Written by Ascendant187 on 25.11.2008 at 11:51
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2008 at 19:14
Written by Ascendant187 on 24.11.2008 at 17:03
Weren't his parents Jewish?
What does that have to do with anything? 
People were talking about whether or not Chuck had sought out religion (Christianity in particular, it seems) in his latter years. Hence the whole changing of the Death logo and such. I recall reading somewhere that his parents were Jewish but very open minded, to both religions and his eventual choice in music. I could be very wrong however. It is the internet after all and not everything you read is true.
Well, his mother, Jane Schuldiner, said that he:
talked about God frequently
he was spiritual
But that's all she wanna say about the matter. http://www.emptywords.org/perennial.htm
Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
We're sidetracking in a big way though. Chuck should be honoured and remembered for his contributions. People who downright disrespect him come off as ignorant. Of course perhaps the same can be said for those who do tend to play the role of fanboy and promote him as the Godfather of Death Metal (and so on...). He's not the creator of death metal, no, but that doesn't mean he deserves to have his name tarnished.
Why do you address me with that? I just answered you question regarding his religious views. I love Death, they are one of my favorite bands, and Chuck of course was a great songwriter and musician; I don't deny that.
I apologise. The stuff about tarnished names and the like is aimed at previous posters who've reacted overly negative toward this article. It wasn't aimed at you in any way. I found the link you posted to be very helpful.
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