Written by Erik M. on 31.10.2013 at 21:35

Btw, you were right. Thanks to me (and you too ) this list is now flooded with comments.

You are mentioning me in paranthesis? Yo' dawg, I am the one who initiated this.

Written by [user id=110592] on 31.10.2013 at 21:22

deapite the fact that i agree with you about the watershed, i don' t think that generiuc is a fair word to describe their first albun as , to the best of my knowlede ,that album had been pretty unique back in time

Sorry, I totally missed this post somehow... anyway, like I said, Orchid really isn't generic. You can call it bad, boring or whatever, but not generic. If anyone calls this generic, then he or she can point out albums to me that had a similar style and were released before Orchid. I'll tell you, it's probably impossible.

All Opeth albums are good in their own way. EOT

Written by 3rdWorld on 31.10.2013 at 21:48

For both of you.

1.Watershed
2.Heritage
3.Orchid
4.Morningrise

The order in which I checked out their albums. And orchid was underwhelming and its not because of the production, it was not so engaging for me and I say it is bad to me from what my memory serves me.

Rank those 4? Okay, here it goes:
1. Morningrise
2. Orchid
3. Watershed
4. Heritage

But this is silly seeing as I have a full best to worst list of all Opeth albums.

Written by 3rdWorld on 31.10.2013 at 21:50

You are mentioning me in paranthesis? Yo' dawg, I am the one who initiated this.

True, but we both did it.

Well, going from the comment war here, I think the safest bet would just be to not put any Opeth album on any update to this list I might make.

Written by Lethrokai on 31.10.2013 at 22:03

Well, going from the comment war here, I think the safest bet would just be to not put any Opeth album on any update to this list I might make.

Well, I guess if it's Watershed or Orchid it's at least way better than having Ghost Reveries in this list, that much is certain. But yeah, maybe it's best to not put any Opeth in here, just to avoid people complaining about their inclusion.

I would have said "When Dream and Day Unite" from Dream Theater.

Written by Dark Cornatus on 02.11.2013 at 12:46

I would have said "When Dream and Day Unite" from Dream Theater.

While I believe that album does deserve more attention, I find it to be one of the weakest in their discography. Compared to their later releases it sounds rather amateur in both execution and production. That's why it isn't here.

Written by Lethrokai on 02.11.2013 at 15:52

Written by Dark Cornatus on 02.11.2013 at 12:46

I would have said "When Dream and Day Unite" from Dream Theater.

While I believe that album does deserve more attention, I find it to be one of the weakest in their discography. Compared to their later releases it sounds rather amateur in both execution and production. That's why it isn't here.

I have top agree with Dark Cornatus. Imo, When Dream And Day Unite is one of Dream Theater's stronger albums because it still has a rough edge to it which the overporduced slick later albums lack, plus the songs are way stronger than those on their later albums as well.

I agree with the Orchid comment, if there is one Opeth album that IS underrated, it is that one. Yeah the songs are a bit disjointed but that album actually has a lush and powerful atmosphere that none of their later stuffs (except Morningrise) possess. Also The Twilight Is My Robe is best Opeth song ever.

Also, Avenged Sevenfold self titled? Come on, that album was just weak. Waking The Fallen is where they are at it.

I'd add Aeolian by The Ocean Collective to the list, that album seems to be really off the radar when it comes to the band but I think it's excellent.

Written by Uldreth on 02.11.2013 at 16:49

I agree with the Orchid comment, if there is one Opeth album that IS underrated, it is that one. Yeah the songs are a bit disjointed but that album actually has a lush and powerful atmosphere that none of their later stuffs (except Morningrise) possess. Also The Twilight Is My Robe is best Opeth song ever.

Finally someone agrees with me. So yeah, I agree with what you said. I also think of Morningrise as Orchid, but then even better. The style of those two albums is really pretty similar, but of course Morningrise is better since it's a more solid album, feels more complete and has a way better production etc.. However, I honestly can't say which Opeth song is my favourite. I even have trouble picking just one favourite song from any of their albums. That being said, The Twilight is My Robe is indeed a brilliant song, but so are a few others on that album.

Good list but I think you should give "Pandora's Piñata" some time to age well. Although I would say that based on my experience, it's not as criminally underrated as it seems on MS.

On a side note I do agree with the folks on Opeth as Orchid is criminally underrated compared to their other albums and no one really gives it much credit despite the wonderful atmosphere. But nonetheless, I'd give the list a +1.

Written by Erik M. on 02.11.2013 at 22:37

Written by Uldreth on 02.11.2013 at 16:49

I agree with the Orchid comment, if there is one Opeth album that IS underrated, it is that one. Yeah the songs are a bit disjointed but that album actually has a lush and powerful atmosphere that none of their later stuffs (except Morningrise) possess. Also The Twilight Is My Robe is best Opeth song ever.

Finally someone agrees with me. So yeah, I agree with what you said. I also think of Morningrise as Orchid, but then even better. The style of those two albums is really pretty similar, but of course Morningrise is better since it's a more solid album, feels more complete and has a way better production etc.. However, I honestly can't say which Opeth song is my favourite. I even have trouble picking just one favourite song from any of their albums. That being said, The Twilight is My Robe is indeed a brilliant song, but so are a few others on that album.

Yeah, so is In Mist She Was Standing and Forest Of October .

I think what I also love about Opeth's first two albums is Johan DeFarfalla's bass playing. The bass on those two are quite unconventional and is an important part of the music. Then later on Akerfeldt decided that he wants conventional bass playing (seriously what kind of progressive mentality is this?!) and sacked DeFarfalla cause he disagreed. Probably the worst fucking decision he made with Opeth.

Written by 3rdWorld on 30.10.2013 at 23:26


It doesn't remember it having the USP of Opeth which are the transitions from beautiful acoustic passages to death metal parts.

Actually I'd say they do MORE of that on Orchid. All "real" songs on the album have at least two acoustic passages that actually are an important part of the music.
Check The Twilight Is My Robe from 3:38 onward, that's a huge and stunning acoustic break right there.

Written by Uldreth on 03.11.2013 at 16:50

Actually I'd say they do MORE of that on Orchid. All "real" songs on the album have at least two acoustic passages that actually are an important part of the music.
Check The Twilight Is My Robe from 3:38 onward, that's a huge and stunning acoustic break right there.

Well, he (3rdWorld) only listened once to the album. And with most albums, especially in case of a massive album like Orchid, it's not nearly enough to form a proper opinion on the music. One spin of Orchid probably would only give one an impression of the music but that person wouldn't be able to totally grasp the music unless he/she is very experienced when it comes to listening music, if that's even possible. For the record, not saying 3rdWorld can't have his opinion on the album. Of course he can. All I'm saying is that he might like the album more after multiple spins, so it might be unfair to judge the album after one spin (in my case that is true 99% of the time).

Hahah I love "Steal This Album!", definitely my favourite SOAD album back in the day.

Despite the fact I hardly care for these bands other than the Rÿche, this list is a great idea, kudos. I'd throw in Metal Church's Hanging in the Balance.

Written by DayFly on 07.11.2013 at 17:51

Despite the fact I hardly care for these bands other than the Rÿche, this list is a great idea, kudos. I'd throw in Metal Church's Hanging in the Balance.

Thanks. I'm going to have to update this list at some point, I just don't know when. I haven't actually listened to Metal Church funnily enough, so I'll have to give this album a shot. Thanks for the contribution!

Six Degrees is actually one of my favorite DT albums, glad you mentioned that one Dare I say it but I actually like it more than Scenes From A Memory which I happen to think it is over rated. Good yes but there are better DT records (Images & Words, Awake, A Change Of Seasons etc).

Small Update:
Got rid of the Opeth album (what the hell was I even thinking...)
Added: In Flames, Devin Townsend and Ihsahn.

Quote:
It was almost as if Freddie Mercury knew this would be his last performance...

He knew..

Oh yeah, Freddie knew it would be his last performance. Just watch the video of There Are the Days of Our Lives, you can see how frail he was. Also read on the story of the song Mother Love, it's I dare say heartbreaking (at least for me).

I find Dream theater's SDoIT overrated and it's become throughout the years one of my least favorite from them. I'm not saying it's a bad album, just that it's become unappealing to me, I rarely listen to it.

Underrated Dream Theater - I'd say their debut and Falling into Infinity.