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Posted by EddieGunner on 19.02.2008 at 00:21
Kosovo is main subject curently in whole world, they r independent country now, last one that become from ex yugoslavia
most of the EU accepted kosovo as new country, but some r again (russia, and serbia, maybe there some more)
so watts ur opinion about this


In my opinion EU and west countrys makin huge mistake with this, if they accept kosovo then they shoul give independence to Basks, cataluny, Scotland, North part of cyprus(turkish part) south osetia, chehcnya, etc.......
come i jsut wanna see your thought s



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Rasputin

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  09.10.2014 at 21:50
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Written by Bad English on 09.10.2014 at 12:07

Written by Rasputin on 09.10.2014 at 03:42



well I agree whit you by that part but as child going over seas, how much can you remember about ''old country'' and Serbia , you're between I would say its weird , since I know your story I live in Swe like 4-5 years now

I remember it all. I left Serbia when I was almost a grown man then. Slobodan Milosevic was still president then and was not sent to that kangaroo court in Hague. Where are you originally from if you're not from Sweden?


well after Tito died , all became shit , but if nations wanted freedom I think Slobodan should give them , but Balkan war and media, they judge one side, I wont even deny that serbs did not commit war crimes, but same dide bosniaks, croats, Albanians.. all did, but all blames only serbs, which is ridicules,

ok lets play a game, guessing game, as Europiean you should know
take a care go north, cross finnish border, go south to hellsinki, then take a farry down south, there is small country ... take a car and go south and cross border ... and I am where ? there I am from

The thing was, after Tito arguably there was no one strong enough to take charge of Yugoslavia. The other issue is that in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina we had both foreign operatives and domestic ones preparing for war. The issue with Yugoslavia is that everyone but the Serbs, and a handful of Croatians and Bosnians continued to push forward their own national identity. I mean, we still have people who embrace the Yugoslavian ethnicity, and while that would have been good for everyone in the long run, it did not happen. In Serbia during the time of Tito, Serbian Patriotism and Nationalism were suppressed and this ideology of Yugoslavian identity was hammered in every day. That is why it was easier for Slovenians and the rest to separate themselves from the Federation.

We had two issues with the Federation. First, when each member joined the Federation, they agreed to put aside all of their differences and all of their issues, and hammer them out beforehand, meaning, once you joined, there were no more territorial disputes and no possibility of someone making claims about this that or the other. The second issue is that these things were straightened out in theory but not in practice. So after the death of Tito, the elements in each of the states that wanted to separate were preparing for conflict. Most of this was funded by the UK, USA, Germany and France, as we later found out. NATO could not tolerate a strong country like Yugoslavia at it's southern part, so they sent in jackals, bought of politicians or just assisted politicians who were already nationalistically oriented to create a conflict.

I think if all of them set at a table, and discussed this a tragedy could be averted, if in fact they could at all separate. The Federation had a clause as I stated before that once you joined, you could unjoin without the consent of the Serbian people, since Serbians, Croatians and Bosnians constituted a majority people, and had a say in all state of the affairs. I think the best example I could show, would be if any state aside from Texas would want to separate from USA, they would not let it happen because the agreement was made. Here, in the case of Yugoslavia, Croatia decided to change their constitution by making a constitutive majority of Serbs, to citizens of third class with no rights (we can see some of that mentality still in Croatia, where they are destroying Cyrillic boards and are not giving Serbs any rights). This was of course planned with NATO, so with the aid of NATO, they expelled over 250.000 Serbs from Krajina and god only knows how many were killed in the operations "Storm" and "Flash." WIth that, they took a chunk of the land that did not belong to them, and made their country bigger. Bosnia did pretty much the same thing, but this time the Serbs reacted before hand. I can say whatever I want about Radovan Karadzic but he did try to save lives initially there, because the Yugoslavian military confiscated weapons in order to prevent bloodshed. The Germans sent weapons with secret planes at night, and armed the separatists while promising them more support, but first there had to be some kind of a disaster for them to intervene. So Alija Izetbegovic, with Naser Oric decided to sacrifice a town, and make Serbians look like the bad guys. Mind ya, this is more or less a Civil War, many people did not have uniforms or anything like that, so you had rag tag groups running around with a belt here, a riffle there and so and so forth. So Naser Oric sent his men, and they burned many villages, killed many people (they estimated around 3000) in the area close to Srebrenica. Serbians took the bait, and attacked Srebrenica, where they expected Naser Oric to be. He was there, but he retreated with his troops and gave some weapons to the locals to defend themselves and left if maybe 300 as back up. Fighting ensued, many people died, some from disease, other from fighting and some from starvation. At that time we had the Scorpions, the paramilitary outfit that ran around without the direct control of Belgrade, so they did what they did, they executed Muslim boys and committed a crime, a massacre, that the Bosnians keep calling a "Genocide." And slowly but surely, the numbers magically continue to rise from 300 to 500 to 800 and now we are at 8000 or something, which is not true. They dragged bodies from the battlefields and copied the names on the tombstones, and they are using this as a propaganda against the Serbs.

You are right, in war all sides share responsibility, and no one is perfect and innocent. I have to first say, that initially I did not think much about what happened during 1990's with these wars. I thought that the Serbs were indeed bad and evil, and I was a Serb myself. It took me years, of careful research and investigation, reading reports, testimonies to determine that we in fact did least amount of damage and the least amount of hurt if we looks at the civilian and soldier casualties. So if I thought one thing before and I was there, I can't blame the people from the world who don't know any better, because conspiracy or not, media does not portray Serbians or Serbia in a nice light, because NATO needs to justify their crimes. When the USA blames Serbia for crimes against humanity, I have to laugh. If we look at the last 50 years, the country that bombed, invaded and killed so many is in fact USA. I am on the side of the truth, and if one thing that bullshit court in Hague showed me, is that the truth is coming slowly out. The Serbs were blamed for bombing Merkale Market Place, and we come to find out that it was the Bosnians who bombed themselves to create a reason for the UN/NATO to step in. And I still need to remind everyone that most landmines were sold to each side by the same "peacekeepers" in the blue helmets.

As far as Kosovo is concerned, Serbia did not have the means to solve that issue in time. If they stepped in there and tried to take care off the problem, USA/NATO would have bombed Serbia sooner. That's what happened in 1999. THey claimed that Serbia made concentration camps, and was executing Albanians. BUt to this day there were no graves and no evidence of this ever taking place. The Germans showed a documentary only once, where the one of the UN experts, who was there in Kosovo before the bombing happened, stated in his report that there were only 29 Albanians killed, and these were the members of the KLA/OVK who attacked police, and were involved in terrorism, extortion, murder, drug and human organ smuggling.
Rasputin

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From: Russia

  09.10.2014 at 23:45
Written by Bad English on 09.10.2014 at 23:07

I don't believe Yugo ethnicity - only what is similar between serbs and croats ok Slavic blood, but Serbo-Croatian languadge
alphabet is different, religion as well
Slovenia even lang has diferent and more less they are not like real Yugoslavs
Bosnia - what is Bosnia, Boisniaks are muslims ,I dunno what lang they speak, I mean how big diference are between Serbo-Croatian
FYROM - slavo macedinians
Cerno Gore - cant say much seems you have less problems and liberation was easy
Kosovo - well kosovians are Albanians, own lang, and islam ...

UN peacekeepers are shit , UN are week, but as far bombing was not UN who gave green light and you cant judge us before 1991 for all, because there was 2 sides and ussr , invading afga, KGB terror against different thinkers, Rus supported terrorists groups whit weapons, supported states as Libia where troops garined, like carlos the jackal, supported also guarrtilla troups so don't blame US for before 1991 so much because there were 2 super powers

Its true what you said at last part , Albanian mafia is responsible for women and prostitution, human traficing and so on ... and US media Balkan war propaganda is lik Rus TV do now in Ukr ... so

but now 30 years passed, why you cant live in peace and forgot ser-cro war ... extremism as nationalism also are dangerous

I don't believe in it either. Serbians, Croatians, Bosnians, Montenegro people and parts of Macedonia people are all Slavs. Good portion of the Croatians, I would say 1/3 if not more are all Serbians who got forced to take the Croatian identity in order to survive. The vast majority of Bosnians are Serbians, since Bosnian is a geographical term, not nationalistic or ethnic term, that identity came much later, when the Ottoman Empire invaded. So in essence Serbs, Croatians, Bosnians and Montenegro people speak the same language with a different dialect, and that language is Serbian. Montenegro people are Serbian, but their leaders are bought off and influenced to create an artificial identity. I mean, one of the Serbian Patriarchs, one of the most important ones Petar Petrovic Njegos did not consider himself Montenegran but Serbian. Macedonians have a derivative of Serbian and something else since we have a lot of the same words.

Kosovo still has Serbians there, the Northern part and some in the South, but not much, since the Albanians expelled and killed the rest.

USA did the same thing, I mean all of the powers did what they wanted because they are super powers.

Do you think the Jews forget the holocaust or do you think the USA will forget 9/11? I don't think so. The thing is, the issue is not resolved, there is a lot of bad blood there, and that will not stop for generations. We are not people who forget things like that. Also, you cannot forget something that's in your face every day. For instance Kosovo, even if we gave up on it, and didn't talk about it, the Albanians or Shiptari are causing problems down there, Brussels is insisting on Serbia allowing for a Kosovo "President" to come to Belgrade (which is bullshit since we do not recognize them as a country, Kosovo is Serbian). And on top of it all, you hear comments from down there and threats that they will take more of our land and kill more of our people. On the other side in Croatia, you have Ustasha parades and politicians feeding the people with hate towards the Serbs, like I said before, not allowing for Serbian language to be used, no Serbian markings anywhere and no Alphabet. On top that, the Bosnians are calling for another bloodshed with their Islam and whatnot, and are parading in German SS uniforms calling for violence, and sending their kids to Syria and Libya to fight. When they come back,they start to train guerrilla fighters that they will send for terrorist attacks. Even if you wanted to forget, you can't, because if it isn't the Croatians, it is the Bosnians, if it is not the Bosnians it is the Albanians, if it is not the Albanians, it is the UN, if not UN, it is NATO if not NATO it is the USA... Another war will happen in the Balkans, because the great powers want it to happen.
Rasputin

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From: Russia

  10.10.2014 at 03:15
Written by deadone on 10.10.2014 at 01:31



Even genetically, Dalmatian Croats are different with high number of genetic material coming from original non-Slavic inhabitants known as Illyrians.

Hence I'd say even the concept of a Croatian is somewhat artifical.

Which is interesting because now Albanians claim that they are Illyrians. They screwed up I guess, for the last 1300 years+ they claimed to be Arbanasi, now all of a sudden are Illyrian. Do you believe in that bullshit?
Rasputin

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From: Russia

  10.10.2014 at 21:04
Written by deadone on 10.10.2014 at 03:35

Written by Rasputin on 10.10.2014 at 03:15

Which is interesting because now Albanians claim that they are Illyrians. They screwed up I guess, for the last 1300 years+ they claimed to be Arbanasi, now all of a sudden are Illyrian. Do you believe in that bullshit?



They have Illiyrian genetic heritage as Illyrians were settled in that area and the Slavs never got that far. They probably also have genetics from whoever came through the area during the last couple of centuries and other cultures in that area ala Thracians.

So your average Dalmatian Croat is probably closer to an Albanian.

I looked up Wikipedia (I know it's not exactly accurate) for origin of Albanians and there are apparently references to a tribe of Illurians called Albanoi in 2nd century AD. It seems the number of references to Albanians increases from 11th century.

But then that part of the world was insignificant in the past with the real action happening further north in Adriatic Coast with various Italian (huge powerhouse Venice) and Dalmatian city states (e.g. Zadar, Dubrovnik) being far more important in terms of political influence as wekk as the big players like Byzantium and later the Ottoman Turks.

From what I remember, they have far less than they claim to have. The thing is that Albanians don't have any culture, until the arrival of Islam. I had an anthropologist explain to me a difference between people and I can't translate the expression he used, but it basically summed up the Albanians. The thing is, most Albanians are not Albanians, many of them are Serbs, Macedonians, Greeks and others, that were forced to take that ethnicity. If you look at the Albanians from Albanian, they are much darker in complexion, and have more pronounced facial structure, you look at Shiptari and the Northern part of Albania and they are fair skinned. But honestly, Albanians have no claim for Kosovo, they claim it is Dardania now, and that is something they cooked up just recently, maybe in the last 100 years, and they are brainwashing their kids in believing that. There is no record of Dardania ever existing over the territory of Kosovo, and actually the very first time Albanians enter the mention in Serbian history is during the Emperor Dusan, who allowed them to settle the Northern part of Albania in exchange for border protection. They were once Orthodox themselves, but with the coming of the Ottoman Empire, they converted. The interesting thing is I found that in Albania there is still a decent chunk of Orthodox Albanians, and a portion of people called Goranci, or Muslim Serbs who have been assimilated in order to survive.
Like I said before, Kosovo is just the start of bigger issues, since they want Greater Albania at expense of everyone else. You mentioned Serbs wanting Greater Serbia, that was a plan many years ago to unite all lands where Serbians constitute a majority, which means it would have incorporated Krajina, today's Srpska and few other areas. While I do not agree with Serbia taking lands that Seselj and men like him wanted, I didn't see in the original plan anything that would suggest that Serbians would've taken anything by force there. Serbians had a chance before and after WWI to seize more land, but they didn't, and if I remember correctly they even helped Croatians more than once, regardless of the fact that the current political climate changed and people forget that. But what I see, regardless of how I feel about Croatia and Bosnia, that all of us in the Balkans got fucked over, and that the theft and exploitation is just picking up the pace, and neither Serbia, nor Croatia, nor Bosnia will prosper, the big powers will, as usual.
Nucky

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From: Slovenia

  12.10.2014 at 14:20
Written by Bad English on 08.10.2014 at 13:00

Written by Nucky on 08.10.2014 at 11:32

Kosovo was always Serbian.. Albanians don't have any right there.. I don't know who the hell EU allows Kosovo to be independent country? Kosovo je srce Srbije!


why EU don give Kurdistam freedom, why EU don't fource give Kenigsberg back to real owners, why EU dont give Transdnestria back to Moldova


Don't know but when it comes to Kosovo, the land was always Serbian.. Albanians are muslims, decendents of Turks who came to Balkans centuries ago.. Same is with Bosnians.. Bosnians are Serbians who took over islam as religion.. Their language is very similar to serbian, probably the most beside Monte Negro wich was also Serbian once..
Nucky

Posts: 106
From: Slovenia

  12.10.2014 at 16:36
Latin alphabet is used in most of ex Yugoslavia republics.. Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia,Albania.. Only Serbia and Macedonia use it.. Albanians are turkish decent.. And before Turkish invasion there wasn't islam in Europe.. Before Albanians Kosovo belonged to Serbia and still does..
Nucky

Posts: 106
From: Slovenia

  13.10.2014 at 09:52
I don't have any similar ideas mate.. I love my homeland and the country I currently live in and thats it.. Don't think Slavic people are any bigger or better than other population in Europe.. And I also don't support Putin or Russia.. Actually I don't support any wierd ideas like once in Serbia some idiot was dreaming about Big Serbia.. Now because of that Serbia has lost Monte Negro and Kosovo..
Rasputin

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From: Russia

  14.10.2014 at 21:19
Written by Nucky on 13.10.2014 at 09:52

I don't have any similar ideas mate.. I love my homeland and the country I currently live in and thats it.. Don't think Slavic people are any bigger or better than other population in Europe.. And I also don't support Putin or Russia.. Actually I don't support any wierd ideas like once in Serbia some idiot was dreaming about Big Serbia.. Now because of that Serbia has lost Monte Negro and Kosovo..

Greater Serbia was a stupid idea, but we didn't lose Kosovo and Montenegro because of it, we lost it because of the economic hitman and foreign jackals. Milo Djukanovic was and still is a US asset, and as far as Kosovo goes, US/EU wanted it for its resources. Many of the people who were for the war and bombing like Madleine Olbright, Robin Cook and few others are reaping massive profits from the telecomunication industry, mines and quite a few things. Even General Petreus recently purchased a crap load of land and a factory or two, for nothing. Divide and conquer.
Rasputin

Posts: 559
From: Russia

  15.10.2014 at 06:06
Written by Bad English on 15.10.2014 at 00:27

http://www.ultras-tifo.net/photo-news/2857-serbia-albania-14102014.html

football
Serbia sv Albania

cant believe such idiots as Albanian players live in today
all serbian players wanted do is take away flag , Albanians run as crazy and want get it back ... and now UEFA for past shit will ban Serbia, Albania also should be banned or punished, well and Serbian ultra nationalists , does they don't know what UEFA does ? why they start troubles ?

and guyw ho controlled chopper is brother of Albanian prime minister ...

Well what happened was the following.

EU/USA urged the Serbian government (nice way of saying threatened) to allow Albanians who wore terrorist insignia KLA to enter the country in the first place. Then the brother of the Albanian Prime Minister was found to be the one who piloted the drone and brought the flag (he also happens to be an American citizen). To make things interesting the flag they paraded was not Albanian flag, but "Great Albania" flag, in which Greek, Serbian, Macedonian, Montenegro lands are all under the Albanian occupation (just as I explained few posts ago). Our player grabs the flag and all hell breaks loose. Serbian embassy gets attacked in Albanian, right now you have 300 police officers securing it while the Albanians are throwing rocks at it and shooting from automatic weapons (most of them are former KLA which were trained by the US/EU forces in the first place) and the Albanians tried to enter the city of Mitrovica (Serbian held city) with the use of firearms, and they brought down several of Serbian sites down. And this happened moments after the game was stopped. Like I said before, even if the Serbs wanted peace and could forget about Kosovo, instances of this behavior add more fuel to the fire, and knowing their plan it would be stupid to lay down arms and just do nothing. I salute my people for not taking anyone's shit, especially not from someone who still lives in a stone age like Deadone said.
EddieGunner
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  15.12.2015 at 17:11
Written by Bad English on 11.12.2015 at 13:46

Some clashes in Republica Srbska ... can there be future exaltations again? local serbs stop work whit central instutions , bank and police...

thats bollocks get informed better
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EddieGunner
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From: Bosnia and Herzegovina

  15.12.2015 at 17:15
Nothing, happned, president of RS tryied something but he failed,
in fact he is afraid of hes ass, cause hes losing ground, he proly wont get new mandate thr, so hes affraid there will be prosecution when he loses power so he trying now everything to save hes money,,, money he stole from ppl

trust me wont be new war here, not these days
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EddieGunner
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Age: 33
From: Bosnia and Herzegovina

  15.12.2015 at 23:44
Reason why war wont happend here is cause curent population wont fight for anyone ,,, maybe in 15 or 20 years but not sooner
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Rasputin

Posts: 559
From: Russia

  24.01.2016 at 19:41
It would be best if Republika Srpska was it's own country, since why the hell would anyone want to be together with people who did the same thing the Croatians did.

And Kosovo, a travesty of International Law as usual. But that is ok. EU will burn. Allah Akbar motherfuckers.
Rasputin

Posts: 559
From: Russia

  04.02.2016 at 00:17
Racist? Dumbuck, Muslim is not a race for the last fucking time, get it through your thick Russian fearing skull
All Muslims need to be sent to their countries, the ones in Kosovo and Novi Pazar are no exception, Albanians should move away from Kosovo and Novi Pazar rats should go back to Turkey, or maybe your country if you guys want them

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