I would understand if normal, civilized people laughed at hardcore dancing. Yeah, it does look awfully silly. But when it comes from metalheads, it always seems so ironic. We are not very cool ourselves.

Written by IronAngel on 28.04.2011 at 16:29

I would understand if normal, civilized people laughed at hardcore dancing. Yeah, it does look awfully silly. But when it comes from metalheads, it always seems so ironic. We are not very cool ourselves.

Absolutely true.

True, headbanging and moshing are pretty retarded but at least they don't have the anti-social connotations that hardcore dancing has (though I'm sure hardcore individuals would disagree). Most metallers would agree there's a kinship that comes with moshing as most of the time it's relatively non-violent, albeit accident prone. You don't usually stay down long enough before being helped up by someone. Ninja hardcore dancing is clearly done to a) cause as much damage as possible and b) to show off. I think that's why people don't like it. Modern hardcore mentality is fucking retarded anyway, don't get me started on the skewed, modern take on the straight edge philosophy.

Written by Guest on 28.04.2011 at 23:16

True, headbanging and moshing are pretty retarded but at least they don't have the anti-social connotations that hardcore dancing has (though I'm sure hardcore individuals would disagree). Most metallers would agree there's a kinship that comes with moshing as most of the time it's relatively non-violent, albeit accident prone. You don't usually stay down long enough before being helped up by someone. Ninja hardcore dancing is clearly done to a) cause as much damage as possible and b) to show off. I think that's why people don't like it. Modern hardcore mentality is fucking retarded anyway, don't get me started on the skewed, modern take on the straight edge philosophy.

What do you mean by modern hardcore mentality, how is it different than the political driven/anarchist hardcore of the last decades? Btw I read somewhere that moshing was derived from hardcore dancing, I'm not sure though.

Written by Mikyz on 29.04.2011 at 08:47

Btw I read somewhere that moshing was derived from hardcore dancing, I'm not sure though.

You are right. It indeed is derived from hardcore slam dancing.

Well modern hardcore is a lot different in mentality to that of the Eighties hardcore. The hardcore dancing in itself is already totally different. Back in the day there was no stupid ninja style kicking and such. Also back then there was a total do it yourself atitude which is almost totally lacking now.

Written by Guest on 28.04.2011 at 23:16

...don't get me started on the skewed, modern take on the straight edge philosophy.

what do you mean?

Written by Mikyz on 29.04.2011 at 08:47

Written by Guest on 28.04.2011 at 23:16

True, headbanging and moshing are pretty retarded but at least they don't have the anti-social connotations that hardcore dancing has (though I'm sure hardcore individuals would disagree). Most metallers would agree there's a kinship that comes with moshing as most of the time it's relatively non-violent, albeit accident prone. You don't usually stay down long enough before being helped up by someone. Ninja hardcore dancing is clearly done to a) cause as much damage as possible and b) to show off. I think that's why people don't like it. Modern hardcore mentality is fucking retarded anyway, don't get me started on the skewed, modern take on the straight edge philosophy.

What do you mean by modern hardcore mentality, how is it different than the political driven/anarchist hardcore of the last decades? Btw I read somewhere that moshing was derived from hardcore dancing, I'm not sure though.

I don't know how intentionally violent it was back in its origins, pretty violent I'd assume, but from where I was, for a while when it was popular a few years ago, there was a tendency to incite incredibly violent behaviour even when hardcore music wasn't being played (they'd do it to anything), it became more about acting like a fuckwit than part of the music.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.04.2011 at 11:32

Written by Guest on 28.04.2011 at 23:16

...don't get me started on the skewed, modern take on the straight edge philosophy.

what do you mean?

I'd had a number of friends that were beaten up for drinking by hardcore kids as well as the blase nature of becoming straightedge, the fact it came and went with a scene rather than being a lifestyle choice. It was done because it was cool at the time.

Written by Guest on 29.04.2011 at 14:48

I don't know how intentionally violent it was back in its origins but from where I was, for a while when it was popular a few years ago, there was a tendency to incite incredibly violent behaviour even when hardcore music wasn't being played (they'd do it to anything), it became more about acting like a fuckwit than part of the music.

It was intentionally very violent back during its origins, but there was still a lot of respect for each other as well. You would slam someone till he bled ut would still pick him up within a second after he fell down. And of course no stupid windmilling with the arms and ninja kicks and almost never any penny picking.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.04.2011 at 14:51

Written by Guest on 29.04.2011 at 14:48

I don't know how intentionally violent it was back in its origins but from where I was, for a while when it was popular a few years ago, there was a tendency to incite incredibly violent behaviour even when hardcore music wasn't being played (they'd do it to anything), it became more about acting like a fuckwit than part of the music.

It was intentionally very violent back during its origins, but there was still a lot of respect for each other as well. You would slam someone till he bled ut would still pick him up within a second after he fell down. And of course no stupid windmilling with the arms and ninja kicks and almost never any penny picking.

What's penny picking? o.0

Written by Guest on 29.04.2011 at 14:49

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.04.2011 at 11:32

Written by Guest on 28.04.2011 at 23:16

...don't get me started on the skewed, modern take on the straight edge philosophy.

what do you mean?

I'd had a number of friends that were beaten up for drinking by hardcore kids as well as the blase nature of becoming straightedge, the fact it came and went with a scene rather than being a lifestyle choice. It was done because it was cool at the time.

well that has always been the case, especially with the radical straight edges. Hell, the guys in Minor Threat would beat someone up for holding a beer in his hands. And for thos eguys it was and still is a lifestyle choice. But they are of the intolerant straight edge persuasion.

Written by Guest on 29.04.2011 at 14:52

What's penny picking? o.0

You know, when they reach down for the ground with their arms and almost touching the ground
t looks like as if they are picking up pennies from the street.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.04.2011 at 14:53


well that has always been the case, especially with the radical straight edges. Hell, the guys in Minor Threat would beat someone up for holding a beer in his hands. And for thos eguys it was and still is a lifestyle choice. But they are of the intolerant straight edge persuasion.

Meh... that's pretty bad taste if you ask me. I'm just glad the short resurgence has gone, although saying that I haven't been to a hardcore or deathcore gig in years so I don't really know what goes on.

And yeah I know what you mean by penny picking now. Man that stuff looks retarded.

Written by Guest on 29.04.2011 at 15:03

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The whole shindig looks retarded.

Everything is changing to be honest. Now people do things or believe in things because its the "cool" thing to do, because everyone is doing it. Punk loses its purpose, its driving factor. The same goes for metalcore, TV is plagued with emo-looking, corpse-painted, whiny, generic, uninspired bands, and these are the bands the people love, not because of the music really, but because they're there, they're the trend to follow. It's really ignorance that ruins movements, add to that consumerism, advertising, and peer pressure, its hard for simple people not to succumb .

People don't hate metalcore, "true" metalheads do, because they're not blind. It's a vicious circle really, because "true" metalheads are sometime "true" because it's anti-social or whatever you want to call it.That's why most metalcore even if they're excellent are blindly disregarded. Humans are social beings, so following the masses seems like the natural thing to do. It goes beyond just the music, it's a movement and a pretty blind one at that.

Hope my thoughts came across.

Written by Mikyz on 29.04.2011 at 15:47


The whole shindig looks retarded.

Everything is changing to be honest. Now people do things or believe in things because its the "cool" thing to do, because everyone is doing it. Punk loses its purpose, its driving factor. The same goes for metalcore, TV is plagued with emo-looking, corpse-painted, whiny, generic, uninspired bands, and these are the bands the people love, not because of the music really, but because they're there, they're the trend to follow. It's really ignorance that ruins movements, add to that consumerism, advertising, and peer pressure, its hard for simple people not to succumb .

People don't hate metalcore, "true" metalheads do, because they're not blind. It's a vicious circle really, because "true" metalheads are sometime "true" because it's anti-social or whatever you want to call it.That's why most metalcore even if they're excellent are blindly disregarded. Humans are social beings, so following the masses seems like the natural thing to do. It goes beyond just the music, it's a movement and a pretty blind one at that.

Hope my thoughts came across.

Yeah they did, I know exactly what you mean. I think it's just about thinking for yourself really and the fact people on the whole don't is why so many of them lose interest and hop on another style/taste/ideologie/etc. Just examples of the weak will of humans. Image > Attitude seems to be the unfortunate theme amongst people.

Metalcore (actually any CORE genrE) is probably not very popular among metal fans because the guitar is more or less prominent. Meaning that it is mostly used for Break Downs and less for high pitched riffs or solos. Also the structure is pretty simple if compared to Death or Thrash metal (there is always exeptions). Also the fact that metalcore seems to like being dressed in an emo fashion would not help their case lol but yeah

In addition to emo fashion, there is also the wigger fasion of bands like WTC, and the general tuff guy image of many deathcore vocalists. Also, is seems like every new deathcore vocalist has gauged ears. Not that it affects the(generally awful) music, but it does make them look even more douchey than they should. It's also very irritating that a band like Suffokate can get popular within the deathcore scene for pretty much no other reason than their vocalists ears.

But I really do believe that most of the distaste for metalcore and deathcore comes from the music, and not the bans image. Metalcore is generally "manufactured" by record labels in the same way as pop labels, resulting in bland, safe, generic music; while most metalheads tend to like music that is different from the norm.

Written by Mikyz on 29.04.2011 at 15:47

Everything is changing to be honest. Now people do things or believe in things because its the "cool" thing to do, because everyone is doing it.

Haven't people been like that for decades?

Written by Guest on 29.04.2011 at 22:14

In addition to emo fashion, there is also the wigger fasion of bands like WTC, and the general tuff guy image of many deathcore vocalists. Also, is seems like every new deathcore vocalist has gauged ears. Not that it affects the(generally awful) music, but it does make them look even more douchey than they should. It's also very irritating that a band like Suffokate can get popular within the deathcore scene for pretty much no other reason than their vocalists ears.

But I really do believe that most of the distaste for metalcore and deathcore comes from the music, and not the bans image. Metalcore is generally "manufactured" by record labels in the same way as pop labels, resulting in bland, safe, generic music; while most metalheads tend to like music that is different from the norm.

Written by Mikyz on 29.04.2011 at 15:47

Everything is changing to be honest. Now people do things or believe in things because its the "cool" thing to do, because everyone is doing it.

Haven't people been like that for decades?

Yeah I actually believe its always been the same, thats also why the underground music scene always existed no matter the style... I mean at first, Jazz and blues was considered Satan's and druggy music, it was todays underground Metal and underground punk even some rock bands still remain unknown.

Written by Guest on 29.04.2011 at 22:14

But I really do believe that most of the distaste for metalcore and deathcore comes from the music, and not the bans image. Metalcore is generally "manufactured" by record labels in the same way as pop labels, resulting in bland, safe, generic music; while most metalheads tend to like music that is different from the norm.

Hhahahahah sorry dude but the "most metalheads tend to like music that is different from the norm" part was just hilarious.

"by record labels in the same way as pop labels, resulting in bland, safe, generic music"
Yeah... like if that has never happened to metal. That applies to all genres, no exceptions.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 01.05.2011 at 20:49

Written by Guest on 29.04.2011 at 22:14

But I really do believe that most of the distaste for metalcore and deathcore comes from the music, and not the bans image. Metalcore is generally "manufactured" by record labels in the same way as pop labels, resulting in bland, safe, generic music; while most metalheads tend to like music that is different from the norm.

Hhahahahah sorry dude but the "most metalheads tend to like music that is different from the norm" part was just hilarious.

"by record labels in the same way as pop labels, resulting in bland, safe, generic music"
Yeah... like if that has never happened to metal. That applies to all genres, no exceptions.

He has a point. I mean, judged by elitists, fans of popular metal bands are seen as those who buy into commercialism and pop music. But even fans of popular metal bands/genres are still considered a minority in the grand scheme of things - hence, different from the norm. Exceptions exist obviously, but for the most part metalheads aren't easily swayed into liking "easy" music.

And while it "happens" in all genres, it is none more apparent than in metalcore/deathcore.

I completely agree with Mr.Void and Troy. I mean hell imo AA is manufactured pop as is Metalcore. I loathe that sound in a box type situation.

If any other genre was as populer as metalcore, and if the record labels we molding them just like they are metalcore, metal heads would hate that genre as well. Personally, I think there are some good bands within metalcore but its overly flooded with marketable MTV2 bull shit.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.05.2011 at 23:53

He has a point. I mean, judged by elitists, fans of popular metal bands are seen as those who buy into commercialism and pop music. But even fans of popular metal bands/genres are still considered a minority in the grand scheme of things - hence, different from the norm. Exceptions exist obviously, but for the most part metalheads aren't easily swayed into liking "easy" music.

And while it "happens" in all genres, it is none more apparent than in metalcore/deathcore.

I can understand your point but the term "easy music" is sadly a subjective one. I see Amon Amarth as easy music tbh, at least within the metal genre.

Written by Doom Trooper on 02.05.2011 at 04:31

If any other genre was as populer as metalcore, and if the record labels we molding them just like they are metalcore, metal heads would hate that genre as well. Personally, I think there are some good bands within metalcore but its overly flooded with marketable MTV2 bull shit.

That's a sad fact, under the last couple of years I've discovered some seriously brilliant metalcore... surrounded by shit.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 02.05.2011 at 08:58

I can understand your point but the term "easy music" is sadly a subjective one. I see Amon Amarth as easy music tbh, at least within the metal genre.

It's definitely subjective (and I don't think Amon Amarth are extreme by any means), but they're just one of the exceptions.

Some metalcore/deathcore is great, personally I love Carnifex

Written by Guib on 03.05.2011 at 09:58

Some metalcore/deathcore is great, personally I love Carnifex

Also... a fair amount of bands from the MS Awards from that category are fucking awesome.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.04.2011 at 16:37

Written by IronAngel on 28.04.2011 at 16:29

I would understand if normal, civilized people laughed at hardcore dancing. Yeah, it does look awfully silly. But when it comes from metalheads, it always seems so ironic. We are not very cool ourselves.

Absolutely true.

Marcel, is that you on that video (2:17)?

People hate metalcore because EMO people invaded it. LOL

Some metalcore bands are actually great like Unearth, All that Remains.

IMO Deathcore is the one that should be Hated.

Written by patrickmetal12 on 21.12.2010 at 18:54

A friend of mine asked my why i hated metal core and all those other weird -core bands out there.
I really dislike like the music they make. I want to be able explain why it is hated so much.
enlighten me (and everyone who comes across this topic)

Honestly I think this is quite a stupid topic. The guy is asking people to help him out dissing metalcore. I mean the guy doesn't like metalcore, but he doesn't know why he doesn't like it.
Chill out dude, its "cool" not to like metalcore. Just tell your friends that

Anyway I think its pointless publicly dissing a genre, I don't like BM, but i don't go around saying black metal sucks and is for only satanists or whatever.
I really haven't heard too much metalcore as most of the bands with the metalcore tag I've heard, I didn't enjoy apart from Earth crisis, so i never really bothered exploring the genre further.

I've noticed that most of you have said that all/most metalcore bands sound the same. I think this applies with every genre, there are a shit load of bands that sound the same irrespective of the genre, you've just gotta wade through a pile of shit to find something good.

sorry smoke break, I'm going to stop here

Well I think I can give an insightful answer seeing as a few years ago, I was very much into metalcore. There are two different types of metalcore. There is 1st generation metalcore: A7X/Killswitch Engages/All That Remains--I hardly consider this metalcore. And there is 2nd generation metalcore: Emarosa, The Devil Wears Prada, Asking Alexandria, Of Mice and Men, etc. I dont necessarily dislike 2nd generation metalcore, because there are plenty of great metalcore bands if you're willing to look, however, I tend to stay away from it because there is a lack of creativity. What I dislike is the fans. They're usually a bunch of teenage girls that are more concerned with what their bands look like than the music that they play. In other words, alot of the people that listen to metalcore are just trying to fit into a certain scene, so it's less about music, and more about following trends. I think that's why people "hate" metalcore.