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Posted by psykometal on 12.06.2013 at 10:17
It's been mentioned/discussed many times, all over Metal Storm, that unofficial sources are not acceptable when submitting/accepting edits to the band database. Yet I am still seeing several submissions/acceptances where sites like Metal Archives (of all sites!) and Wikipedia are still being used and accepted as the source for submissions/edits in Metal Storm's database. This needs to stop NOW!

Admittedly sites like Metal Archives and Wikipedia are great places for finding a starting point such as images, official site links or general album info. But even that info still needs to be verified using official sources to verify that what you "found" there is correct. If you can't verify all the info through the band's official sites then you can start turning to some alternative options. You can try checking the band's label site(s). In the case of albums, look them up on sites like Bandcamp, iTunes, Spotify, Amazon, etc.. You can try doing Google searches for news articles on sites like Blabbermouth, Metal Sucks, Metal Injection, Metal Underground, Brave Words/Bloody Knuckles, etc.. You can also try Google searching for band interviews.

It should be common knowledge by now, especially to people who have "earned" the permissions to submit edits without a Staff-check and those who can also accept other user's submissions, that places like MA have a tendency to be grossly inaccurate and loaded with bad info. So STOP submitting/accepting information with sites like MA or Wikipedia as the source! Otherwise I might decide to take away your ability to edit anything unchecked for a determinate amount of time.

Some very well known, AND UNACCEPTABLE, unofficial sites:
AllMusic
last.fm
Metal Archives
Metal Kingdom
Spirit Of Metal (which is practically a copy/paste of MA anyway)
Wikipedia


One of the pride and joys that I and many others, before and alongside me, have had through the years is the pleasure of shaping Metal Storm's database into something different and unique instead of just a copy/paste of sites like Metal Archives and Wikipedia. We are vastly different and far more accurate and complete than Metal Archives or Wikipedia will ever be because we only submit/accept properly verified information. Each and every one of our Database Chiefs (myself included), and several other Staff and many of our Contributors, Elites, and Users have gone to great lengths to ensure that we are not just a copy/paste of Metal Archives and Wikipedia.

So please, help me and the rest of the Metal Storm Staff keep this database the most awesome, unique and accurate database for Metal (and related) music on the internet!



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nobody

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  20.05.2014 at 15:25
Another avidance why WE CAN NOT use wiki

Lita Ford

wiki (use to said) and also MS says .... Carmelita "Lita" Rossanna Ford
It is -- Lita Rossana Ford (eddited by me)

Video where she confirms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijJ0zduU0zo&index=13&list=PLvXmarOi5xICV0X4HfMH7S29EpvDpTQgd
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LeKiwi
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  13.06.2014 at 22:31
Jesus, I can't seem to follow what's going on with this lyric thing...what's the consensus? Can we use unofficial sources?
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nobody

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  13.06.2014 at 23:00
Written by LeKiwi on 13.06.2014 at 22:31

Jesus, I can't seem to follow what's going on with this lyric thing...what's the consensus? Can we use unofficial sources?


read a psyho statement about it
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  14.06.2014 at 01:32
Written by Bad English on 13.06.2014 at 23:00

read a psyho statement about it

I can't see anything that pertains to lyrics...
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nobody

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  14.06.2014 at 01:33
Written by LeKiwi on 14.06.2014 at 01:32

Written by Bad English on 13.06.2014 at 23:00

read a psyho statement about it

I can't see anything that pertains to lyrics...


page 2 or 3 ??

as far i remeber he said do it if lyric formath is good
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  18.06.2014 at 05:13
With lyrics, it doesn't matter if the source is official because a lot of bands don't put lyrics on their official sites these days. As long as they're formatted properly and you yourself have actually verified the lyrics are good, then it's fine.

Really, if you're pulling from an unofficial place like darklyrics (for example), include a YouTube video or Bandcamp or SoundCloud link if they have one for the album to make it easy for the checker to verify the lyrics before accepting. Lyrics aren't that hard to verify since you can just listen and read to make sure they match.
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  18.06.2014 at 05:46
It gets a little challenging with brutal death metal lyrics.
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  18.06.2014 at 15:08
And depressive/suicidal black metal shrieking.
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nobody

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  18.06.2014 at 15:34
Or japanese kenjay or what it calls ... unless theys creams Samuray jakuza harakiri
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nobody

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  24.06.2014 at 13:43
Hej ppl if you add a video --- like old prom video as metallica - Whiksy in the jar'' or Tankard - Minds oN The Moon

You dont need official source, since those old MTv1 , VH1 Classic videos are not mentioned in ny official souces , maybe wiki .. only what I remeber Iron maiden old home page ha dall prom vids, not now .. so YT as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6aaqQ6iR0c also do the trick, only if you can see video and see its official made video for promotions , in tose cases fan add YT video do thetrick as well
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  19.08.2014 at 02:12
@Finnish members Array and Risto, or others
is Mikseri official band site or its just fan site
http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/band.php?band_id=3130&bandname=Roddick+Bleu

I wonder, does we can have this one here in the link, ?
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  28.09.2014 at 20:01
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Tarnkappe/Tussen_Hun_En_De_Zon/389927

according to band int:

Max: I reviewed your first full-length record Tussen Hun En De Zon, which contains the same songs as your demo from last year. Why did you chose to re-release them in that way?

Nortfalke: Actually, there is no demo. Sabbath's fire decided to release our debut on tape. So there is no re-release. There is some false information going around. Anyway, we only mastered our debut for the LP/CD release by Hammerheart Records.


http://www.metalstorm.net/pub/interview.php?interview_id=711

such demo don't exist ... another reason to be sceptic whit MA
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  28.09.2014 at 20:26
Written by Bad English on 28.09.2014 at 20:01

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Tarnkappe/Tussen_Hun_En_De_Zon/389927

according to band int:

Max: I reviewed your first full-length record Tussen Hun En De Zon, which contains the same songs as your demo from last year. Why did you chose to re-release them in that way?

Nortfalke: Actually, there is no demo. Sabbath's fire decided to release our debut on tape. So there is no re-release. There is some false information going around. Anyway, we only mastered our debut for the LP/CD release by Hammerheart Records.


http://www.metalstorm.net/pub/interview.php?interview_id=711

such demo don't exist ... another reason to be sceptic whit MA


Well, Nortfalke just said that it was released, just without the band's permission.

EDIT: From the looks of it, someone added it when it was announced without a release date, despite the fact that doing that is a bannable offense on MA (I edit MA as well)
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  28.09.2014 at 21:37
Written by Fearmeister on 28.09.2014 at 20:26

Written by Bad English on 28.09.2014 at 20:01

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Tarnkappe/Tussen_Hun_En_De_Zon/389927

according to band int:

Max: I reviewed your first full-length record Tussen Hun En De Zon, which contains the same songs as your demo from last year. Why did you chose to re-release them in that way?

Nortfalke: Actually, there is no demo. Sabbath's fire decided to release our debut on tape. So there is no re-release. There is some false information going around. Anyway, we only mastered our debut for the LP/CD release by Hammerheart Records.


http://www.metalstorm.net/pub/interview.php?interview_id=711

such demo don't exist ... another reason to be sceptic whit MA


Well, Nortfalke just said that it was released, just without the band's permission.

EDIT: From the looks of it, someone added it when it was announced without a release date, despite the fact that doing that is a bannable offense on MA (I edit MA as well)


MA is fan datebase, image MS be add band no staff acceptation ... I have seen maybe 20 mistaces where MA edits was use so ...
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  28.09.2014 at 22:13
Written by Bad English on 28.09.2014 at 21:37

MA is fan datebase, image MS be add band no staff acceptation ... I have seen maybe 20 mistaces where MA edits was use so ...


Actually you still need staff approval when you add a band and you need to make the entire profile yourself by hand as well as physical proof that they released music. A more efficient method then simply adding a band and forgetting about it Not to mention the fact that making mistakes results in a permaban. But yea, they're not infallible, but they have far fewer mistakes than this site.
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  28.09.2014 at 22:24
Written by Fearmeister on 28.09.2014 at 22:13

Written by Bad English on 28.09.2014 at 21:37

MA is fan datebase, image MS be add band no staff acceptation ... I have seen maybe 20 mistaces where MA edits was use so ...


Actually you still need staff approval when you add a band and you need to make the entire profile yourself by hand as well as physical proof that they released music. A more efficient method then simply adding a band and forgetting about it Not to mention the fact that making mistakes results in a permaban. But yea, they're not infallible, but they have far fewer mistakes than this site.


only staff can add a band, maybe contributors whit + add a band
I can do all only add a band, and visible zed it and add a genres to visible band and only admin can delete it
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  28.09.2014 at 22:30
According to MA that band has no official sites, only what I can trust is BM ... since JN add it let he edit it , make some basic info
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  28.09.2014 at 22:33
Written by Bad English on 28.09.2014 at 22:24

only staff can add a band, maybe contributors whit + add a band
I can do all only add a band, and visible zed it and add a genres to visible band and only admin can delete it


Well, if adding a band is so easy on MA, go ahead and add Deathday 666 to it.
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nobody

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  28.09.2014 at 22:43
Written by Fearmeister on 28.09.2014 at 22:33

Written by Bad English on 28.09.2014 at 22:24

only staff can add a band, maybe contributors whit + add a band
I can do all only add a band, and visible zed it and add a genres to visible band and only admin can delete it


Well, if adding a band is so easy on MA, go ahead and add Deathday 666 to it.

I have add maybe 2.3 bands in MA and 2 was rejected (after some times other fuck tard add it) don't remember names
I have added in MS 128 bands (what I don't remember) and now I need 99 999 points I have 6728 but when I will have 89 999 I need get like 10 000 per day to get it green for some time and hope that staff be blind and wont see it LOL

I have add in MA
Dusk
Mena Brinno
Serephim
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  28.09.2014 at 22:54
I think you just proved my point...
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nobody

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  28.09.2014 at 23:11
Written by Fearmeister on 28.09.2014 at 22:54

I think you just proved my point...


I wish get some bands on MS be easier as it is now, like Panzer (new super group) and The Skull for example
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  08.10.2014 at 12:38
Why we cant trust to MA

Charles Greywolf

Guy did edit his profile

Quote:
Source: http://www.powerwolf.net/2011/matthew-greywolf.htm http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Matthew_Greywolf/9936# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerwolf
I haven't modified anything since I don't know how to correct this, but it seems that wikipedia and metal-archives agree that Matthew Greywolf is Benjamin Buss [http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/bandmember.php?member_id=2048] and therefore there's a duplicate. Powerwolf's official site doesn't mention Mathew's real name, but it mentions his birthday, which coincides with Benjamin's. The same case can be made for Charles Greywolf [http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/bandmember.php?member_id=9745] and David Vogt [http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/bandmember.php?member_id=18039], again with the same wiki, m-a and birthday arguments. The Stefan Gemballa [http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/bandmember.php?member_id=2049] and Stéfane Funèbre [http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/bandmember.php?member_id=9747] lacks the wikipedia and birthday arguments since he's an ex-member. I hope I made my case


My PM to him in facebook:
Quote:
Hi
I am sorry for bothering you, but I am from metalstorm.net (I AM NOT A STAFF member) but I do datebase edit
Can you confirm that your real name is David Vogt and you're same guy what is playing in Flowing Tears.
Metal archives says so but our site don't accept those edit since there are planty errors

Can you confirm it?
Otherwise we are duplications, same musician 2 profiles

any maybe you know same facts about Matthew Greywolf , Benjamin Buss

We will appreciate it



This is what he answered

Quote:
Hey.
No thats wrong. Also dont know Why metal archives is writing that....
Thanks for asking!
Have a nice day.
Charles
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  09.11.2014 at 21:43
Please don't edit old bios what has no bio source whit new official ones, many old bioes are from old home pages, myspace, don't add good bio because it has no source to FB one what is much smaller
I remember some bands I edit and bio as real at myspace , now some try add much weaker, less info bio just because it has OFFICIAL FB .... don't change old, old are staff checked and are good, but do this whit new , empty bands bios .... please
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  09.11.2014 at 22:15
Well, we do need up to date bios, so I would say, instead of don't add new bios add the new information to the old bios. I f a bio lists all info for a band up, say, 5 years ago, and the band's FB or Official website has information about the last 5 years, but not much before that, then just add the new info of the recent bio to the end of the old bio. this will allow us to retain bio info for bands in much greater detail.
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nobody

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  09.11.2014 at 22:37
Written by psykometal on 09.11.2014 at 22:15

Well, we do need up to date bios, so I would say, instead of don't add new bios add the new information to the old bios. I f a bio lists all info for a band up, say, 5 years ago, and the band's FB or Official website has information about the last 5 years, but not much before that, then just add the new info of the recent bio to the end of the old bio. this will allow us to retain bio info for bands in much greater detail.


update yes, not delete and re edd because its on FB
in such case leave old, update new one fresh one
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