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"I've been afflicted with the Blackjazz Deathtrance"...
In all fairness, this is one of the most exciting and original albums that I've listened to in recent times! I've been mad for years but this album really put purpose to my insanity, whatever that means...
Very good review! A thumbs up if you will!
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They're coming to Wacken! Great album by the way, weird and awesome!
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Written by [user id=109200] on 14.02.2011 at 12:33
"I've been afflicted with the Blackjazz Deathtrance"...
In all fairness, this is one of the most exciting and original albums that I've listened to in recent times! I've been mad for years but this album really put purpose to my insanity, whatever that means...
Very good review! A thumbs up if you will!
Thank you!
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I've been trying to articulate this sound. It's like Al Jourgensen and Marilyn Manson teaming up with Varg Vikernes for a jam-session but Dragonforce were already playing in that room.
I was worried about this review but you definitely nailed it. Not that describing the album would give anyone any clue as to what he's in for. But knowing it, there's much truth to your words. Really impressive.
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Written by corrupt on 14.02.2011 at 14:26
I was worried about this review but you definitely nailed it. Not that describing the album would give anyone any clue as to what he's in for. But knowing it, there's much truth to your words. Really impressive.
Thank you!
I must admit, at first it was pretty hard to write... But once I gave up the idea of a precise description, it flowed much more easily.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
I have no clue how so many people regard this as the most interesting, mind-blowing, eccentric collaboration of blah blah blah.
Is nobody else simply bored by this?
There are parts of descriptions in the review I agree with, but mostly this is just something I'd have on in the background while I read a book just for the sake of hearing something other than traffic outside my apartment.
5/10 from me, 6 if I'm really digging that whole "background music" aspect, which is not often.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.02.2011 at 16:15
I have no clue how so many people regard this as the most interesting, mind-blowing, eccentric collaboration of blah blah blah.
Is nobody else simply bored by this?
There are parts of descriptions in the review I agree with, but mostly this is just something I'd have on in the background while I read a book just for the sake of hearing something other than traffic outside my apartment.
5/10 from me, 6 if I'm really digging that whole "background music" aspect, which is not often.
I could listen to pretty much anything in the background. It's what you hear when you listen closely that's interesting to me. The chaotic complexity that still sounds really easy as a whole. That doesn't make it the best album of 2010, but still something really interesting that I'm happy to have found.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.02.2011 at 16:15
I have no clue how so many people regard this as the most interesting, mind-blowing, eccentric collaboration of blah blah blah.
Is nobody else simply bored by this?
There are parts of descriptions in the review I agree with, but mostly this is just something I'd have on in the background while I read a book just for the sake of hearing something other than traffic outside my apartment.
5/10 from me, 6 if I'm really digging that whole "background music" aspect, which is not often.
It's a really nice little album but it's the Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind of the metal world: weirdness for people that don't like (or can handle) weirdness, i.e. it's not that wacky or out there compared to most things that would do people's head in.
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I think the album has been greatly overrated due to it's original sound. It is an interesting album, it is good - but I think the fad will eventually wear off.
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14.02.2011 - 19:08Rating: 8
Written by Baz Anderson on 14.02.2011 at 18:45
I think the album has been greatly overrated due to it's original sound. It is an interesting album, it is good - but I think the fad will eventually wear off.
Fad? I think it's just folks who like to hear wildly original music who are giving it such praise. I mean, to most, progressive music is supposed to push music forward and break boundaries. This is exactly what this album does. It's an artistic statement. Now, I cannot predict the future, but I think this album will have a significant impact on future experimental music. It holds a certain relevance that a band like Mr. Bungle or Primus does; the album may not influence the direction of your favorite typical heavy metal music, but it's just as important in the grand scheme of things because they are pushing the envelope. I mean, someone has to.
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I'm ashamed to have listened to this album so late. Very great album at times it reminds me of Genghis Tron but a whole different beast entirely.
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Written by Fat & Sassy! on 14.02.2011 at 19:08
Written by Baz Anderson on 14.02.2011 at 18:45
I think the album has been greatly overrated due to it's original sound. It is an interesting album, it is good - but I think the fad will eventually wear off.
Fad? I think it's just folks who like to hear wildly original music who are giving it such praise. I mean, to most, progressive music is supposed to push music forward and break boundaries. This is exactly what this album does. It's an artistic statement. Now, I cannot predict the future, but I think this album will have a significant impact on future experimental music. It holds a certain relevance that a band like Mr. Bungle or Primus does; the album may not influence the direction of your favorite typical heavy metal music, but it's just as important in the grand scheme of things because they are pushing the envelope. I mean, someone has to.
Couldn't have said it better myself
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Could not disagree further with Troy. This is by no means an album you have to take as "background music." It's experimentation--it pushes the boundaries of what you think metal is capable of, as Fat and Sassy! has adequately described. I can't think of any other band with the same kind of amalgamation of genres. It's a cohesive whole, it's the very definition of avant-garde, it IS pure madness. Noise rock fans (still digging Sonic Youth, for example) will LOVE this gem. This is by no means conventional; this is an album that DEMANDS your attention simply with all the electronic subtleties, the cryptic lyricism, the trance, the half-death half-black kind of vocals, the stringed instruments, even the fading shriek of "Blood" in Blackjazz Deathtrance...in fact, I would be inclined to say that this album is as much of a foreground music as you can get. It's a sheer assault. Incredible album, fantastic review (loved the sections, it was very effective). While I think this is the best album of 2010 that I have yet heard, everyone should hear it simply for the experience. It alters how you perceive music and you will listen to metal music differently and for that matter, it is meritorious even if you don't like it. THAT is the sign of an excellent album.
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Written by [user id=100467] on 14.02.2011 at 21:36
fantastic review (loved the sections, it was very effective).
Thank yyou
And I definitely agree with all wrote too.
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15.02.2011 - 01:16Rating: 10
When my friends tell me that all metal sounds the same, I put this on. Then they run away in fear, and I don't have to listen to any more of their BS musical prejudice
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Written by corrupt on 14.02.2011 at 16:40
I could listen to pretty much anything in the background.
As could I - the problem with this album is it wasn't supposed to be "background noise", it was supposed to be captivating or transfixing somehow (according to the hordes of metalheads lauding its avant-garde nature, anyway). I get the whole "it's new and exciting" thing, and maybe it isn't a fad per se, but there's definitely a lot of love being thrown in its direction simply because it's something new, and in my opinion, not because it's something good.
Written by [user id=4365] on 14.02.2011 at 17:28
It's a really nice little album but it's the Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind of the metal world: weirdness for people that don't like (or can handle) weirdness, i.e. it's not that wacky or out there compared to most things that would do people's head in.
Agreed and understood I suppose. I wouldn't call it mind-bending at all, but it seems to be fucking a lot of people's heads in and I still haven't gotten my fix from it.
PS - that movie is much better than this album.
Written by [user id=100467] on 14.02.2011 at 21:36
This is by no means an album you have to take as "background music."
...this is an album that DEMANDS your attention simply with [lots of stuff]...
...It alters how you perceive music and you will listen to metal music differently and for that matter, it is meritorious even if you don't like it...
I didn't choose to "take it" as background music, it just turned out that way. It was so boring and "easy" it just sounded better as something I didn't need to put all my focus on. It didn't DEMAND my attention; in fact, it did the exact opposite. I went in with a clear conscience, ignoring the hype and high ratings, and listened from start to finish. The first two or three songs kind of brought new ideas, but then something about that "new style" just became drab. I lost interest completely, twiddled my thumbs, lurked in forums, etc.
And it absolutely had no effect on how I perceive music. That's just a ludicrous statement to be honest, and one that contributes to the hype surrounding what is really a hit or miss album. I understand it's "art" and innovative and genre-transcending and all the positive adjectives that have been thrown its way since its release...but let's be honest, it's far from the greatest album of all time (or even this year) and it won't automatically alter everyone's perception of how they listen to metal music.
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Interesting listen but I didn't find it very memorable. Sounds like an acid fuelled jam session with Al Jorgenson, Josh Homme, Devin Townsend and the girl from Sigh.
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Boring and "easy," Troy? Makes Blackjazz sound like bad sex, haha. And was it REALLY as bad as bad sex?
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Written by [user id=100467] on 15.02.2011 at 14:41
Boring and "easy," Troy? Makes Blackjazz sound like bad sex, haha. And was it REALLY as bad as bad sex?
That's patently untrue: even bad sex is good sex. It's like pizza, even when it's not very good it's still good.
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Written by Bigpaul on 15.02.2011 at 04:00
Sounds like an acid fuelled jam session with Al Jorgenson, Josh Homme, Devin Townsend and the girl from Sigh.
That would be a fun night in for all the family.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.02.2011 at 16:15
I have no clue how so many people regard this as the most interesting, mind-blowing, eccentric collaboration of blah blah blah.
Is nobody else simply bored by this?
There are parts of descriptions in the review I agree with, but mostly this is just something I'd have on in the background while I read a book just for the sake of hearing something other than traffic outside my apartment.
5/10 from me, 6 if I'm really digging that whole "background music" aspect, which is not often.
Yeah, I don't get this one either.
I mean, it is very, very interesting and fresh, the musicianship is great and all that, but I just can't actually enjoy it. It lacks that something...
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Written by [user id=100467] on 15.02.2011 at 14:41
Boring and "easy," Troy? Makes Blackjazz sound like bad sex, haha. And was it REALLY as bad as bad sex?
I second what Joe said in regards to bad sex, but what I meant by "easy" was it was simple to digest despite its lauded complexity.
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I'm not sure how I feel about this album. It's interesting and fun when you pay attention, but it's not very pleasant or alluring; I've never felt like "Yeah, I'd like to hear that stuff now." I've put it on when I decided to, but I have yet to come back to it spontaneously.
As far as technical or progressive music goes, this is pretty good though. I might even say very good. I like my experimental stuff a little different, but this works too.
As for the review, nicely done with the structure. The bold lines (and their lack of symmetry) offended my aesthetic sensibilities, but I did like the idea!
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Written by IronAngel on 16.02.2011 at 00:49
As for the review, nicely done with the structure. The bold lines (and their lack of symmetry) offended my aesthetic sensibilities, but I did like the idea!
Thanks a lot!
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.02.2011 at 00:31
Written by [user id=100467] on 15.02.2011 at 14:41
Boring and "easy," Troy? Makes Blackjazz sound like bad sex, haha. And was it REALLY as bad as bad sex?
I second what Joe said in regards to bad sex, but what I meant by "easy" was it was simple to digest despite its lauded complexity.
By "bad sex," I mean unsatisfying sex. Just ask the 10% of American men and 20% of American women who don't find sex satisfying with their partners...
But yes, that's an interesting take on the album that I fully respect. Having listened to Blackjazz over 55 times, I can honestly say that I think Blackjazz is both complex and digestible at the same time. But you know my opinion, haha. Avant-garde/jazz fusion metal is the metal I am most partial to, especially if there are any death elements in it. Cynic, older Atheist, even Ihsahn...I dig.
Oh, and one more thing. Maybe you'll see my point-- listen to Blackjazz a couple more times and listen to your favourite Devin Townsend/SYL album. On decent headphones. It's amazing what details you'll pick up after listening to the craziness of Blackjazz.
And if you guys really want to laugh, compare it to "In the Kingdom of Kitsch..." album. Then you'll see just how far Shining has progressed, and even see parts of Blackjazz in a jazzy form.
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16.02.2011 - 06:53Rating: 8
There was jazz on this?
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
Written by [user id=100467] on 16.02.2011 at 03:48
Oh, and one more thing. Maybe you'll see my point-- listen to Blackjazz a couple more times and listen to your favourite Devin Townsend/SYL album.
Not possible, as I don't like any of Townsend's works.
And I have two pretty decent sets of headphones. I've got Skullcandy's with an added bass subwoofer, and a set of Sony stereo high-performance noise-canceling headphones with movie, normal, and music settings.
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Written by Introspekrieg on 16.02.2011 at 06:53
There was jazz on this?
yes.
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Written by Introspekrieg on 16.02.2011 at 06:53
There was jazz on this?
Yes there is, for sure!
But I understand your puzzlement, as I was finally able to listen to Grindstone, and surely the jazz on that one is at the same time more important, and more 'classical' (ah, the piano solo on "Winterreise")
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I really haven't listened to the album enough times to judge it. I listened to it once, and I found it interesting, but somehow forgettable. I should definitely give it some more spins to see for myself.
As for the review, I liked it. I liked how you divided it. It was definitely a good read and it makes me want to listen to the album again.
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