Written by vezzy on 13.12.2011 at 22:14
I buy you presents because I love you.

That's also assuming you actually love them, unless you're going to lie to them about love but tell the truth about Santa.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.12.2011 at 22:23
That's also assuming you actually love them, unless you're going to lie to them about love but tell the truth about Santa.

If I loved them, I wouldn't hacksaw them, would I? Unless love = brutally murdering when you see fit.

Written by vezzy on 13.12.2011 at 22:27
Unless love = brutally murdering when you see fit.

No way, I can actually bring that around into something on topic.

Just look at religious killings. They do it for love, no? The blind love for a non-existent god, sure. But still a "crime of passion".

Get it. Like... passion of the Christ? ...

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Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.12.2011 at 22:29

No way, I can actually bring that around into something on topic.

Just look at religious killings. They do it for love, no? The blind love for a non-existent god, sure. But still a "crime of passion".

Get it. Like... passion of the Christ? ...

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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

That isn't love. It's a delusion.

Then again love is just a delusion, so I guess you're right. I don't really wanna procreate. I respect people who put up with raising young bastards such as myself (especially if they do it right, translation: letting me watch all the gore movies I want), but with my short fuse, it's not gonna happen.

Written by vezzy on 13.12.2011 at 22:33


Then again love is just a delusion

Careful if you decide to brings this up in front of Viggo.

Written by Slayer666 on 13.12.2011 at 22:35
Careful if you decide to brings this up in front of Viggo.

You know what they say: Never take a Serb's advice, unless it's about mad, God-loving Estonians.

I wouldn't worry though.

Written by vezzy on 13.12.2011 at 22:37


You know what they say: Never take a Serb's advice, unless it's about mad, God-loving Estonians.

I wouldn't worry though.

I've always preferred this one: Bulgarians should always listen to the infinitely more intelligent Serbs. But to each his own.

Oh boy, screw religious war. We're going to see a "nation's pride" war.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.12.2011 at 23:00

Oh boy, screw religious war. We're going to see a "nation's pride" war.

Ajvar and sljivovitza, bitch. I won already.

And I'm done derailing the topic.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.12.2011 at 22:29

No way, I can actually bring that around into something on topic.

Just look at religious killings. They do it for love, no? The blind love for a non-existent god, sure. But still a "crime of passion".

Get it. Like... passion of the Christ? ...

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Yep. It's been around for a long time already. Thousands of years have people practised religious killing. Human sacrifice was a norm for several peoples until they started replacing it by sacrificing dummies or animals instead. Trying to look into a psychology of man, one may see that there's always a propensity for doing nasty things. It's even better if you're doing this for a deity in order to become great and strong and have a good fortune. Did a deity ever ask for sacrifices, tho? That's another question. Probably not.

Oh yeah... Christ sacrificed Himself in order to show how pointless all of this violence and perversion was and how egotistical and wrong this conception of divine love was.

Written by Ernis on 14.12.2011 at 00:32
Oh yeah... Christ sacrificed Himself in order to show how pointless all of this violence and perversion was and how egotistical and wrong this conception of divine love was.

That is of course assuming he sacrificed himself and wasn't simply killed for being a raving lunatic.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.12.2011 at 00:34

Written by Ernis on 14.12.2011 at 00:32
Oh yeah... Christ sacrificed Himself in order to show how pointless all of this violence and perversion was and how egotistical and wrong this conception of divine love was.

That is of course assuming he sacrificed himself and wasn't simply killed for being a raving lunatic.

He knew that saving the day for the pigsty the earth is (in a way), was worth going through that shite. There is actually many good and beautiful things in this world that are worth fighting and dying for. Like Tolkien wrote, for example. The way Frodo Baggins took the ring and climbed Orodruin to save all Middle-Earth. A lame ending, of course, if one thought Morgoth was more awesome.

Oh yeh... I forgot. I guess I'm a raving lunatic for some people too. Perhaps.

Written by Ernis on 14.12.2011 at 00:40
He knew that saving the day for the pigsty the earth is (in a way), was worth going through that shite...The way Frodo Baggins took the ring and climbed Orodruin to save all Middle-Earth.

I hope you see the irony in your statement. Your comparing the death of Jesus to the adventures of a fictional character.

Who's to say Jesus was who he apparently claimed to be? The Bible? I'm not questioning your faith or poking fun, but claiming Jesus died for our sins as a fact is a flawed statement. Our best guess is that he was either the son of God and died for our sins, or a blasphemous lunatic crucified for his "crimes" against the Jews.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.12.2011 at 00:44

Who's to say Jesus was who he apparently claimed to be? The Bible? I'm not questioning your faith or poking fun, but claiming Jesus died for our sins as a fact is a flawed statement. Our best guess is that he was either the son of God and died for our sins, or a blasphemous lunatic crucified for his "crimes" against the Jews.

Either Christ or Frodo or any mythological or fictional figure willing to die (and dying) in order to turn the world into a better place and showing the true values and virtues, should be perceived, after all, as a positive example of goodness. That shows that love and life in that sense (self-sacrificing love instead of selfish and violent love) are important. Forgiving, instead of avenging, constantly moving towards perfection and searching for love and life not in earthly domains but look at something more eternal and lasting that is more immense than our tiny minds can grasp. Whatever you do in this life, know that one day you're going to meet your last end. The greatest and hardest thing in this world is to make your way through this earthly existence in a manner that you can think "Yes, I know now all what I've done wrong and I know all that I've done well." and understand and wish that you could've made it better. I think it was Alan Watts who said that "always think of your last end".

Practical philosophy.

Written by Ernis on 14.12.2011 at 01:00
Either Christ or Frodo or any mythological or fictional figure willing to die (and dying) in order to turn the world into a better place and showing the true values and virtues, should be perceived, after all, as a positive example of goodness. That shows that love and life in that sense (self-sacrificing love instead of selfish and violent love) are important. Forgiving, instead of avenging, constantly moving towards perfection and searching for love and life not in earthly domains but look at something more eternal and lasting that is more immense than our tiny minds can grasp. Whatever you do in this life, know that one day you're going to meet your last end. The greatest and hardest thing in this world is to make your way through this earthly existence in a manner that you can think "Yes, I know now all what I've done wrong and I know all that I've done well." and understand and wish that you could've made it better. I think it was Alan Watts who said that "always think of your last end".

Practical philosophy.

I agree with the concept of heroes and people making the world a better place as a result of personal sacrifice being a positive thing, but I question the legitimacy of a hero who nobody this day and age can even accurately describe what he looks like.

The personal sacrifices from a hero - such as a firefighter rushing into a burning building to save another person's child even though he has one of his own at home - is a much more tangible form of positivity for me. And while forgiveness is paramount of happiness - at least in my personal opinion it is - vengeance also holds a place in society. If one simply takes all that is given to him, good or bad, and refuses to do something about it, then that person fails to challenge the injustices of life. Which all but makes forgiveness irrelevant.

As for meeting my end with some form of regret due to my actions in daily life - I suppose I'll either rot lifelessly in the ground (or in my case burn harmlessly in a vault) or wander the plains of Earth as a lost soul before I'm able to fully understand the judgment that awaits me. Between the two of us, I can't tell you we just rot in the ground just as you can't tell me we ascend to an otherworldly dimension because neither of us have tangible proof.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.12.2011 at 01:07

I agree with the concept of heroes and people making the world a better place as a result of personal sacrifice being a positive thing, but I question the legitimacy of a hero who nobody this day and age can even accurately describe what he looks like.

Accurate description is irrelevant anyway in this context.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.12.2011 at 01:07

The personal sacrifices from a hero - such as a firefighter rushing into a burning building to save another person's child even though he has one of his own at home - is a much more tangible form of positivity for me. And while forgiveness is paramount of happiness - at least in my personal opinion it is - vengeance also holds a place in society. If one simply takes all that is given to him, good or bad, and refuses to do something about it, then that person fails to challenge the injustices of life. Which all but makes forgiveness irrelevant.

The little things such as a firefighter saving lives are important indeed. Alltogether these things work to serve the greater good. Positivity indeed should be tangible. I don't remember which saint it was but she said that "When I stand before Lord, I doubt he'll care much about how many times I read my prayers or went to the mass. What He's going to care about is how many people I helped when they really needed my aid."

Or the words of Christ (can't remember the exact words but you'll get the message I guess)"Why didn't you feed me when I was hungry? Why didn't you cover me when I was cold. Why didn't you heal my when I was sick." And one answers "What?!" and the answer to that is "Whoever you feed when he's hungry, you feed me, whoever you shelter from cold, you shelter me, whoever you treat when sick, you treat me." It's the good things that people do to each other in daily situations that show the love of God, not the amount of prayers nor church-going frequency, not to speak of religious war body count or the amount of (human) sacrifice. What is tangible, is the love one shows to the people around. Injustices of life. Yep, it's hard to deal with them. But there definitely is a way to deal with them without losing your own values.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.12.2011 at 01:07

As for meeting my end with some form of regret due to my actions in daily life - I suppose I'll either rot lifelessly in the ground (or in my case burn harmlessly in a vault) or wander the plains of Earth as a lost soul before I'm able to fully understand the judgment that awaits me. Between the two of us, I can't tell you we just rot in the ground just as you can't tell me we ascend to an otherworldly dimension because neither of us have tangible proof.

Well, our bodies definitely disintegrate. The world itself will also disintegrate. "All that man has built will one day be no more. And one day even the particles of the Earth and Sun will be here no more." It's astrophysical reality.

Written by It's bad for ya on 31.12.2011 at 22:59
Maybe but that's what the christians say and even if it's a lie it's an extended one . Even the idea of making the history of human beings attached to the birth of a fake religious figure is rather lame and it's a disgrace to the rest of humans because there are at least 1000 human beings who did better things for humanity than Jesus

That's what the Christians say because it's another form of control. Everything is about manipulation when it comes to religions like that. Evolution is a lie. No wait, GOD evolved everything.

Was Jesus a savior or a delusional psychotic? The only people who know aren't here to tell us. When you consider the ancient religions and the unpracticed worship of the Pagan gods, it's hard to believe that something like Christianity is the only legitimate religion. The Christian god is worshiped out of fear and weakness - something his opposition to the south is supposedly known for.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 31.12.2011 at 23:06

The Christian god is worshiped out of fear and weakness

Bitch please...

Written by Ernis on 01.01.2012 at 00:29
Bitch please...

I'll admit it's a generalization but there's definitely truth to it. People believe in the Christian god so they have somewhere nice to go when they die, and all the bad guys will be punished in the afterlife. Christianity is a fear-based system. Their god is used as a crutch for the weak.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.01.2012 at 00:58

Written by Ernis on 01.01.2012 at 00:29
Bitch please...

I'll admit it's a generalization but there's definitely truth to it. People believe in the Christian god so they have somewhere nice to go when they die, and all the bad guys will be punished in the afterlife. Christianity is a fear-based system. Their god is used as a crutch for the weak.

I would myself avoid using a term such as "Christian god". There's no "Islamic god", "Jewish god", "Zoroastrian god", "Chinese god" etc... Shouldn't God be, after all, something superior to all kinds of man-made classification? He's one, after all... I won't speak to a muslim saying "You know, MY GOD is better than YOUR GOD!" Or go to a buddhist saying "MY GOD is better than YOUR BUDDHA!" It's pointless. It's also wrong to say and think that God is an old bloke sitting in a comfy armchair in a hut situated somewhere in a pink nebula, smoking pipe tobacco and making a list of good people and bad people like Santa Claus. Or to think that when He's pissed, He organises disasters or just sexes up people's lives on a personal level just because of having a bad day. We're people with our moods and problems. We do lousy things because of our stupidity and weakness. Some people do believe that God acts the same way, of course.

What God is, is life and love and light. Christ wished people to dig one thing. God ain't Santa or a boss before whom you have to act all nice in order to get a present or a promotion. It's very easy for people to make the mistake of doing good just because they heard that they'll get a cake in return. Or the other way around, doing good in order to avoid getting in trouble. You do something bad, just know it's going to hurt you in the end (as a dad I could tell my kid not to stick his hand in the fire. I may tell him I'm gonna send him into his room as a punishment but this is completely irrelevant because if he sticks his hand in the fire, he's gonna feel the pain. He'll understand that himself when it's already happened.) When people do bad things, they will one day have to take the responsibility for it, whether in this life or in some other. Hell is something you create for yourself. Hell's purpose is not for God to have some fun watching the bad guys suffer because God doesn't actually want anyone to go to hell in the first place.

When you do good things, the real pleasure you're supposed to get from it is the knowing that you've done something good. Don't do good for getting a prize.
In one example Christ described people who did noble things in order to get to heaven. The moral is "Whoever boasts about being a good person, is not going to be set as an example. Whoever is modest about his good deeds, is going to be set as an example."
Of course, most people don't follow that example. Many people don't follow any of these examples.

God is not a crutch for the weak nor a tool in order to control people with fear. At least it's not the God Christ spoke about, the one that is supposed to love everyone, you, me, your mum, Justin and Scarlett... Everyone...

Written by Ernis on 01.01.2012 at 01:29
I would myself avoid using a term such as "Christian god". There's no "Islamic god", "Jewish god", "Zoroastrian god", "Chinese god" etc... Shouldn't God be, after all, something superior to all kinds of man-made classification? He's one, after all...

God is not a crutch for the weak nor a tool in order to control people with fear. At least it's not the God Christ spoke about, the one that is supposed to love everyone, you, me, your mum, Justin and Scarlett... Everyone...

You would yourself avoid using that term because you believe in "God", I don't. You believe in one superior being, I don't. I see different gods across different religions, most likely because I'm more inclined to follow Pagan beliefs over Christian ones. "God" to you and those who believe in "Him" (the capitalization for this guy in the sky is ridiculous) is the all-being god: Tetragrammaton. There was a time when Wotan reigned supreme in terms of worshipers.

And my opinion of your god is that he is a crutch for the weak and a tool to control people. That's the way I see it based on how his character is presented throughout history. I'm not saying it's the only god to be worshiped for purposes other than "unconditional love", but it's definitely not as black and white as you're making it out to be.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.01.2012 at 02:35

You would yourself avoid using that term because you believe in "God", I don't. You believe in one superior being, I don't. I see different gods across different religions, most likely because I'm more inclined to follow Pagan beliefs over Christian ones. "God" to you and those who believe in "Him" (the capitalization for this guy in the sky is ridiculous) is the all-being god: Tetragrammaton. There was a time when Wotan reigned supreme in terms of worshipers.

And my opinion of your god is that he is a crutch for the weak and a tool to control people. That's the way I see it based on how his character is presented throughout history. I'm not saying it's the only god to be worshiped for purposes other than "unconditional love", but it's definitely not as black and white as you're making it out to be.

If you prefer to follow Pentagrammaton, then why say that Tetragrammaton is a crutch for the weak and a tool to control people? If the 4-lettered can be used in order to justify negative acts of some leaders, then why is a 5-lettered one better?

You prolly didn't pay any attention but I never referred to the Father as a guy in the sky. Many people imagine it so but none of us really can do that (neither those who seriously imagine an old man in the sky nor those who make fun of this conception).

If you're inclined to follow a religion other than Christianity, then why contradict it by saying you don't believe in a superior being. Or did you say "one"? Does that mean that you prefer to have more deities out there than just one? Please, why not follow a polytheistic religion? In any case there's plenty of polytheistic characteristics in Christianity as well.

You don't have to be religious at all in order to be a good person. You can be a buddhist, sihk or a muslim or a christian and be a normal and good person. I can't see tho why one should degrade a religion or a deity down to the level of being a crutch for the weak or something worse. A computer can be used to steal money from a bank. A computer can be used to launch a missile. A computer can be used to waste time on watching porn and writing/reading bullshit. At the same time a computer should be used for learning, working and doing other constructive things and that's why many people actually do use it for. Shall we call a PC a bad thing then?

I won't bash islam for what's been done by the extremists. I won't label a Jew a zionist. I'm not going to tell an atheist over and over again the same story about monks and nuns and priests being executed for practising religion in countries where "state atheism" was imposed. I love my friends of all religions and I love my bros even tho only one of them practises religion the same way I do. None of us tells another how much better one way is compared to another.

However, from time to time I still hear people constantly attempting to convince me how wrong and stupid and pointless Christianity is. All of them try to tell me that atheism is the best and Christianity is bullshit and they list all the flaws and problems of religion including the "BUT CHRISTIANS KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE! WHAT ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS?". One dude was an exception, he was telling me that Islam is the best. But it doesn't make any difference. I just point out that people are often very aggressive. You may be as polite as possible and you still get the rant "How is this possible you still live in the middle ages? NO! Don't say a word! IT'S MY OPINION!" Yeah, sure, I guess it just depends on the people.

Written by Ernis on 01.01.2012 at 04:39
If you prefer to follow Pentagrammaton, then why say that Tetragrammaton is a crutch for the weak and a tool to control people? If the 4-lettered can be used in order to justify negative acts of some leaders, then why is a 5-lettered one better?

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. I don't prefer to follow anyone. :/ I think that Tetragrammaton is a crutch for the weak because he provides mortals with an excuse for their actions. We're granted passage into Heaven if we follow the Decalogue or the Will of God. Those who disobey will find themselves in Hell. I understand the ethics behind this system - good people are rewarded, bad people are punished. That's a belief that feeds on weakness to me. It makes all the do-gooders feel all cozy inside because the bad guys get their just desserts. And that's what the Christian god's entire existence is based on: worshipers believing he'll protect them from eternal damnation.

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You prolly didn't pay any attention but I never referred to the Father as a guy in the sky. Many people imagine it so but none of us really can do that (neither those who seriously imagine an old man in the sky nor those who make fun of this conception).

Ignoring the fact you assume I don't pay attention in serious conversation, I know you didn't refer to the "father" as a guy in the sky. I did, because that's a generic understanding of his being. If he's truly a god then he has his place to hide from the likes of us mortals (if you believe in levels of existence of course), or at the very least he's capable of roaming our world using a human body as a vessel. It's not a matter of mocking the whereabouts of a supposed old man (for all we know he could take the form of a young woman), it's just a generalization.

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If you're inclined to follow a religion other than Christianity, then why contradict it by saying you don't believe in a superior being. Or did you say "one"? Does that mean that you prefer to have more deities out there than just one? Please, why not follow a polytheistic religion? In any case there's plenty of polytheistic characteristics in Christianity as well.

I'm not inclined to follow any religion. I am more inclined to follow Pagan gods than the Christian one. I don't believe in a superior being (at least currently, I've always doubted my doubts), whether Pagan or Christian. I may come to follow a polytheistic religion in the future but for now I remain without faith.

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You don't have to be religious at all in order to be a good person. You can be a buddhist, sihk or a muslim or a christian and be a normal and good person. I can't see tho why one should degrade a religion or a deity down to the level of being a crutch for the weak or something worse. A computer can be used to steal money from a bank. A computer can be used to launch a missile. A computer can be used to waste time on watching porn and writing/reading bullshit. At the same time a computer should be used for learning, working and doing other constructive things and that's why many people actually do use it for. Shall we call a PC a bad thing then?

I firmly believe religion is irrelevant when discussing "good" and "bad" people. People will do good and bad things in the name of a god (or gods), and people will do good and bad things because they have free will. I don't think my opinion is a matter of degradation, but an analysis. I know the evils computers are capable of, just as I know the positive services they provide. Is a PC a bad thing? Not necessarily, but it is capable of evil just as well. Although I'm not sure how that relates to the topic at hand. :/

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I won't bash islam for what's been done by the extremists. I won't label a Jew a zionist. I'm not going to tell an atheist over and over again the same story about monks and nuns and priests being executed for practising religion in countries where "state atheism" was imposed. I love my friends of all religions and I love my bros even tho only one of them practises religion the same way I do. None of us tells another how much better one way is compared to another.

That's cool that you're open-minded when it comes to your beliefs and the beliefs of others, but I do hold some people responsible for the stigmas they create as a result of their actions. Religious extremists blowing up innocent people with families? Ya, that paints a pretty bad picture. Do I go around bashing "towel heads"? Far from it. I know there are Muslims who practice their religion in peace and pray only for good things. Those people have my respect, but it still doesn't change my opinion about monotheistic religions. Gods and spiritual teachers are often empowered by the fears of the people, similar to a government. (Don't go all V for Vendetta on me; I know it should be "government fears the people" and not the other way around, and I know there are probably countries in the world that work that way.) My point is Tetragrammaton is the President of Christendom and the people fear breaking his laws. They know the jail sentence that comes with leading a "bad" life is eternal. So by virtue of wanting to avoid a court sentence, the people abide by the laws not because they want to, but because they're afraid to do the opposite. (More generalizations, but you get my point.)

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However, from time to time I still hear people constantly attempting to convince me how wrong and stupid and pointless Christianity is. All of them try to tell me that atheism is the best and Christianity is bullshit and they list all the flaws and problems of religion including the "BUT CHRISTIANS KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE! WHAT ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS?". One dude was an exception, he was telling me that Islam is the best. But it doesn't make any difference. I just point out that people are often very aggressive. You may be as polite as possible and you still get the rant "How is this possible you still live in the middle ages? NO! Don't say a word! IT'S MY OPINION!" Yeah, sure, I guess it just depends on the people.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. In fact, I was merely stating my opinion when you decided to go all "bitch please". Do I think Christianity is stupid and pointless? Almost. It does good for some people, and those are the people I don't have a problem with. The non-fanatical independent thinkers that contribute to the world in a positive manner because they feel as a member of this planet, it's their duty to help others and establish a positive worldwide karma.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.01.2012 at 05:21

Written by Ernis on 01.01.2012 at 04:39
If you prefer to follow Pentagrammaton, then why say that Tetragrammaton is a crutch for the weak and a tool to control people? If the 4-lettered can be used in order to justify negative acts of some leaders, then why is a 5-lettered one better?

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. I don't prefer to follow anyone. :/ I think that Tetragrammaton is a crutch for the weak because he provides mortals with an excuse for their actions. We're granted passage into Heaven if we follow the Decalogue or the Will of God. Those who disobey will find themselves in Hell.

Pentagrammaton - five-lettered (Wotan). Since I noticed you use the numeral name of the divinity of the Hebrew scripture, I used a numeral name as well. Mono, di-, tri-, tetra-, penta-, hexa-, hepta-... elementary school mathematics : )
Actually everyone has free will. If one has free will, it's not quite right to speak about obeying or disobeying. Everyone is responsible for what one does and also for what one does not. I don't know how the Lord could possibly be an excuse for doing something. If you mean Oklahoma bombings and native Americans then I get what you mean.

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My point is Tetragrammaton is the President of Christendom and the people fear breaking his laws. They know the jail sentence that comes with leading a "bad" life is eternal. So by virtue of wanting to avoid a court sentence, the people abide by the laws not because they want to, but because they're afraid to do the opposite. (More generalizations, but you get my point.)

So... a person doesn't commit something bad just because he's afraid to be punished while he actually is dying to do that thing?
Well... some people can do whatever they want and not just that but also bring an excuse by saying they were doing it for something good (God, fatherland, president, democracy, etc)... I think there's many people out there who don't even need an excuse. Does this bring us to the conclusion that it's in human nature to do evil deeds? In a way, it is true. It's very easy to fall.

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I'm not trying to convince you of anything. In fact, I was merely stating my opinion when you decided to go all "bitch please". Do I think Christianity is stupid and pointless? Almost. It does good for some people, and those are the people I don't have a problem with. The non-fanatical independent thinkers that contribute to the world in a positive manner because they feel as a member of this planet, it's their duty to help others and establish a positive worldwide karma.

Good then, thanks.

Written by Ernis on 01.01.2012 at 22:30
Pentagrammaton - five-lettered (Wotan). Since I noticed you use the numeral name of the divinity of the Hebrew scripture, I used a numeral name as well. Mono, di-, tri-, tetra-, penta-, hexa-, hepta-... elementary school mathematics : )

Ah I see what you mean now.

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Actually everyone has free will. If one has free will, it's not quite right to speak about obeying or disobeying. Everyone is responsible for what one does and also for what one does not. I don't know how the Lord could possibly be an excuse for doing something. If you mean Oklahoma bombings and native Americans then I get what you mean.

I believe everyone has free will too, but my point is that some people choose to follow religion blindly and ignore their instincts. Instead of using their free will to live a life that requires any amount of thought, they instead choose to follow the laws of whatever god(s) they worship in. They use their free will to become a slave. Again, it's a generalization, because not all religious people are slaves to their beliefs - I think that might be where you're failing to see my point. I'm not saying the Christian god only serves a purpose for the weak and fearful, I'm just saying there are a lot of people who throw themselves into a life of worship simply because they believe in a god that will absolve them of their sins and accept them into a divine kingdom if they behave, and he'll punish those who muck around while living out their mortal lives. It's like, man it sucks that these guys stole my car, but it's cool, I know they face their judgment in the afterlife.

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So... a person doesn't commit something bad just because he's afraid to be punished while he actually is dying to do that thing?
Well... some people can do whatever they want and not just that but also bring an excuse by saying they were doing it for something good (God, fatherland, president, democracy, etc)... I think there's many people out there who don't even need an excuse. Does this bring us to the conclusion that it's in human nature to do evil deeds? In a way, it is true. It's very easy to fall.

Not everyone has as much independence as you're giving them credit for, just as not everyone is as religiously dependent as my generalizations seem to imply. You can't tell me there aren't teenagers just dying to fuck each other but their religious beliefs make them wait for marriage. Again, I'm not saying it's not easy for everyone; there are probably a lot of people who find it easy to swear of non-marital intercourse. I'm just saying there are also a lot of people who deny themselves what they want based on what "the guy in the sky" tells them they should or should not do.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.01.2012 at 22:39

it's a generalization, because not all religious people are slaves to their beliefs - I think that might be where you're failing to see my point. I'm not saying the Christian god only serves a purpose for the weak and fearful, I'm just saying there are a lot of people who throw themselves into a life of worship simply because they believe in a god that will absolve them of their sins and accept them into a divine kingdom if they behave, and he'll punish those who muck around while living out their mortal lives.

Yep, I get it now. I haven't studied theology which means I don't know the scripture by heart but I do remember passages which describe Christ telling disciples who are "too eager to believe" to quit doing that and use some common sense instead. Plus the messages that warn people not to believe in order to win a prize.

It departs from this discussion but I just remembered a joke which a priest told in his sermon. There was a cataclysmic flood and people were escaping except for one bloke who said "I will submit to the will of God. If God wants me to be saved, He'll save me." The flood hit and the house was submerged. The man escaped to the roof. Some boat passed and people wanted to save him with the boat. The guy refused by saying "God will save me if He wants it!" A helicopter arrived to save the dude. He refused once again. Finally he drowned. On the other side he asked God. "Why did you leave me there to die?" The answer he got was "You didn't try anything to save yourself. Then I sent you a boat, then a helicopter. Some cooperation would've been appreciated."

That was pretty funny.

In believe in god and in his son. But religion is just an waste of time. They push "god" in your face, and say that you will burn in hell IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT GOD. Religion take out your freedom, they put fear in your heart.

Seriously, religion would be better if it was not the fanatic followers.

No, seriously, where's Varg right now?

Written by [user id=114505] on 11.01.2012 at 23:52
No, seriously, where's Varg right now?

Not in prison.

Written by Ernis on 01.01.2012 at 22:59



It departs from this discussion but I just remembered a joke which a priest told in his sermon. There was a cataclysmic flood and people were escaping except for one bloke who said "I will submit to the will of God. If God wants me to be saved, He'll save me." The flood hit and the house was submerged. The man escaped to the roof. Some boat passed and people wanted to save him with the boat. The guy refused by saying "God will save me if He wants it!" A helicopter arrived to save the dude. He refused once again. Finally he drowned. On the other side he asked God. "Why did you leave me there to die?" The answer he got was "You didn't try anything to save yourself. Then I sent you a boat, then a helicopter. Some cooperation would've been appreciated."

Someone told me that when i was disillusioned with religion at one point in my life. :3