Written by angel. on 18.06.2020 at 23:59

You really love to prove that you're an asshole to the public here?

Written by angel. on 18.06.2020 at 17:11

Written by Stormm on 28.05.2020 at 11:50

But everything I read so far were comments about abuse, alcohol and domestic violence. Yeah, I know, but can you please separate music and personal life? Thank you.

NO!

I can't listen to someone's music who can commit domestic violence.

Ok, fair enough. But how are you doing that? Everytime you hear something you like you start searching background for every member of that band? And if there's something you don't like you will stop listening to them at all? For me it's not problem to separate this two sides, because music is completely different world and reality for me. Music speaks in another language.

Written by Stormm on 19.06.2020 at 10:30

Ok, fair enough. But how are you doing that? Everytime you hear something you like you start searching background for every member of that band? And if there's something you don't like you will stop listening to them at all? For me it's not problem to separate this two sides, because music is completely different world and reality for me. Music speaks in another language.

When there's some sort of suspect that the person behind this music committed domestic violence then I stay away from it.

I don't want to feed into a a sick ego who is a dick to women in real life outside of his music, you know? When there's a complaint then there might be a potential so that's it. The rest are innocent unless there's some proof, complaint or anything like that. And if he is guilty of such assaults and did not see the consequences nor no expressed apologies and now just going on with a new album, it says a lot, he may do it again and I won't support such musician.

Written by angel. on 19.06.2020 at 11:42

When there's some sort of suspect that the person behind this music committed domestic violence then I stay away from it.

I don't want to feed into a a sick ego who is a dick to women in real life outside of his music, you know? When there's a complaint then there might be a potential so that's it. The rest are innocent unless there's some proof, complaint or anything like that. And if he is guilty of such assaults and did not see the consequences nor no expressed apologies and now just going on with a new album, it says a lot, he may do it again and I won't support such musician.

That means you will be able to listen the album if he dies by following right ?

anyway, it's something very personal, i misunderstand this logic (actualy, i understand, but i find it stupid), but, in the same way i do not tolerate someone who tells me what i can listen or not depending on the artist's life (even NSBM), nobody can force you to change your opignon or anything.

Written by toussa on 21.08.2020 at 00:26

That means you will be able to listen the album if he dies by following right ?

anyway, it's something very personal, i misunderstand this logic (actualy, i understand, but i find it stupid), but, in the same way i do not tolerate someone who tells me what i can listen or not depending on the artist's life (even NSBM), nobody can force you to change your opignon or anything.

No I find it absolutely stupid as well to support someone's music with special agenda that can bring harm to other people, yeah go give attention to sick egos and assholes, waste your money on them and feed their sickness! Idiocy find no limit! Crazy that we still have to discuss such obvious things in 2020 with some people who are coming from a part of the world that once they claimed to be pioneers science, knowledge and art!!!

I believe such dismissive comments only and only comes from the privileged groups! For example, men looking down on the struggles of women for equality and making fun of feminist movements!

Written by angel. on 21.08.2020 at 10:27

No I find it absolutely stupid as well to support someone's music with special agenda that can bring harm to other people, yeah go give attention to sick egos and assholes, waste your money on them and feed their sickness! Idiocy find no limit! Crazy that we still have to discuss such obvious things in 2020 with some people who are coming from a part of the world that once they claimed to be pioneers science, knowledge and art!!!

I believe such dismissive comments only and only comes from the privileged groups! For example, men looking down on the struggles of women for equality and making fun of feminist movements!

Okay so just don't give him your money if you believe he's guilty, that's your prerogative. No need to get so worked up over it. But if you're going to boycott things because of egos and assholes, you may as well never buy anything again, because that describes pretty much every living being on the planet, you and I included.

As for your last paragraph, it could be argued that a privileged perspective only sees dismissive comments as coming from a place of privilege, as if underprivileged people are incapable of critical thought. But that's for another thread.

Written by angel. on 21.08.2020 at 10:27

Written by toussa on 21.08.2020 at 00:26

That means you will be able to listen the album if he dies by following right ?

anyway, it's something very personal, i misunderstand this logic (actualy, i understand, but i find it stupid), but, in the same way i do not tolerate someone who tells me what i can listen or not depending on the artist's life (even NSBM), nobody can force you to change your opignon or anything.

No I find it absolutely stupid as well to support someone's music with special agenda that can bring harm to other people, yeah go give attention to sick egos and assholes, waste your money on them and feed their sickness! Idiocy find no limit! Crazy that we still have to discuss such obvious things in 2020 with some people who are coming from a part of the world that once they claimed to be pioneers science, knowledge and art!!!

I believe such dismissive comments only and only comes from the privileged groups! For example, men looking down on the struggles of women for equality and making fun of feminist movements!

Calm down man, I respect your opinion, but: 1, you didn't answer me
2: Understand that very few people are snow white, and no one is all black, stop manichaeism, even more when you we don't know the context.

pay attention to your belief, you don't know me, you have very few elements to judge someone (me). If you juge David like you seems to juge me, i'm afraid.

If David hit a man because he doesn't like his face, it doesn't change my point of view, I will continue to listen to his music. man, woman, in each case it's bad, and if I revolt against that and not against the murder of the homosexual killed by the Emperor's Faust, uh, it's not consistent. Actually, I don't forgive the murder, but that won't stop me from listening to Emperor; just because I listen Emperor doesn't mean I'm supporting or complacent about murder and assassins. And I think everyone would rather be a battered woman than a dead homosexual lol. (okay that's not funny at all, sory, but you know what i mean?).

So am I a bastard (or other) to think that ? I invite you not to think about it. the reality is a little more complex than "the good progressives very kind against the backslidden racist facsit bastards", and you have to understand that continuing to support the artists is different from supporting the people behind and their ideology, and you have to respect the people who think this. Why ? many classical artists, authors, had ideas of other ages (but normal at this age) that are not allowed today, and yet we continue to listen to them, to admire their sculptures, their theatrical tragedy, their buildings, (so that's where my original question came from), when we know that many of them must have hit their children, hit their wives, own slaves, were racists, misogins , violent, and fortunately we don't agree with that, even if you enjoy reading, admiring, listening to old things. You can answer me "yes but it was normal at this age", but no, because often does not mean normal (even at this age, and even if other teribly things were allowed), we live in a world built by bastards, enemies, slaves. What will people in the future think of us? not very good things I'm afraid of.
second argument, these same people must have brought good values ​​too, did good things, were good people, only no one is completely white. And listening to an artist or what is different to support their ideas is different to accept all their actions, even the good actions. We can say "this guy did this work, it's great, but, however, he also did that, which is very sad, it's a shame, if only he didn't do that, luckily he was not entirely a bad guy, he supports this good cause ".

It is your responsibility to listen or not to these artists or not, I respect your opinion because it focuses you and not the others, so do the same with others. I didn't mean to hurt you when I said "stupid", maybe I should have used "soppy" or even nothing at all.

Please don't be manichean.

Last Thing : You have to be very aware of what you do with your money, because, i think much of your money will arrive in the hand of a awful capitalist wich burn the forest to construct more werehouse, hotel, pipelines ... And their intension is very clear : To get more money.
And if you listen without giving any money ? Can we ?

very lasgt thing : i don't post the second part of my comment, i was very angry so i think it's worse to post it, but you have to understand this :I don't allow you to judge someone (me here) from his country, from his social position, even more when you had any idea of this, and even when you know it, whatever the social pistion. You have to understand why people think what they think, and for this, you habe to listen them. I hate people who bring backward values ​​in the name of good.
Equality of opportunity is not equality of results. Equality of results is racist, misogynist, backward, while equality of chances depends only on the skills of the individual and NOT on their skin color or gender.