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Posted by Soliloquy, 17.06.2006 - 19:39
is it a problem? or is it a good thing?

if its a problem, how do we fix it?

i personally think that at the rate the world population is going, we would cause our own judgement day before God planned to. i mean, look at countries like China, and India. sure, their economy is going high, but at the same time, the world pollution is going high. sure china put a limit on thier child birth, and they limited a couple to only have 1 child. if they exceed that limit, they would be paying tons of taxes. India on the other hand doesnt have that limit. its population is almost 1 billion(that is 1 sixth of the world population), and its still sky rocketing.

Kenya's population growth rate is at a 4.6(or was it a 4.8?) percent. what that means is that in the next 16 years, their population would double. and then it would take them 12 years to double that. and then 7 years to double that. Kenya's growth rate is by far, the fastest in the world. and has been the fastest in over the 100 years or so?

what does over population mean to the world? well, for one, the more people there are, the more land they take up. for example, 75% of the kenyan population is living on farmlands. if that wasnt bad enough, countries have to get rid of tons and tons of forests to make room for more people to live. since the government cant keep up with such a big population, people start to take matters in their own hand. they start cutting down woods for fire, or thier stove. and if they are hungry, they start hunting, which is bringing the animal population to a down low as well. and if you look at this in an economic point of veiw, if people start living on farmlands, than the country's government would have to increase their imports just to keep up with the population's demands. and what would happen if the government cant handel that demand? you can only imagine.

just imagine what the world would be like when its population doubles to 12 billion?. people would be fighting for the necsesities needed to live. stuff like water, food, shelter, clothing. and if everyone is cramped together, there would be a huge rise in the diseases(if you know your history, look what happend to athens when they build a wall around their city.). people would be living in their own filth.

and if that wasnt bad enough, if people contine to cut down the trees, then the greenhouse gases would contine to fuck our ozone layer, which would mean that the place would get hotter, and hotter still. is that bad? yes! for starters, the ice caps from the north pole, and south pole will melt. who cares? well, north pole, sure its no actual land, but it is just a huge chunk of floating ice that is around 3 miles deep. (wait..was it 3 or 2 miles deep?) and the ice on south pole is about 3 miles deep. you melt those, and you would get a major flood. the only living lands to survive that would be mountian peeks like mount everest, or those rocky pillars in south america. how can the world population live on those tiny islands? well, they cant. first reason being that it would be so close to the sun, that it would be series of heat strokes. on top of that, man cant survive with ocean water. but then again, our ocean water has been polluted. and we have killed about i think 75% of the fish that lived near coastal areas. so really, we cant live.

and if you think that that wont happen, or its impossible to happen....well they say(discovery channel. you gotta love it!) that the jungel as thick as the amazons has been loosing trees every day. people have been clearing about 1 to 1 and a half lenghts of football fields in trees alone. and with the african and indian population sky rocketing, their forests would be chopped down soon.




a cure? a solution? what, put a manditory ban on couples world wide? that wont work becuase a lot of third world countries need more than one child in the family to either work on the famrs, in facotires, or look after diseased family members. and on top of that, those families alose loose tons of kids becuase of diseases. on top of that, even if we were to put that limit on them, it wont work. reason ebing that people just dont listen.

sow hat is the cure to stop this from happening? shut down all the factories? people are money hungry. that wont happen. im sure someone like billgates can buy a country if he pleases. so that wont work

a war? creat a holocaust to sacrifice all the people in the world? humm...that would be WAY to ethical. and that would also cuase a huge riot, and racism would be on the rise becuase people would say 'who to kill?' anarchy would break down on the streets. no, anarchy is not a good thing becuase it would be that everyman is his own government. it just wont work...


so is over population a serious delema that people should worry about? is there soemthing that can be done to stop it? what should happen? your views and opinions
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Written by [user id=3112] on 17.08.2006 at 21:00

Everyone who kills someone on purpose, who rapes someone should be killed. At least there would be less crime.

very harsh, but i agree here,

homeless people however? no i wouldnt ever agree with something like that, why not, because they WANT to TRY to survive, otherwise they would have already killed themselves long ago, and sometimes they even do find their way back into society, most often they dont, but my point is, there is hope for them, wherever there is help it is just cruel to kill

down syndrome... basically i agree that those people cant be very happy anyway, but here its not about them being sad, but think about all the family members of down-syndrome patients, it would be extremely hard for all of those
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17.08.2006 - 21:16
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Written by [user id=3112] on 17.08.2006 at 20:11

Over population IS a problem, a big one. Personally i think that countries like China and India should not let people have more than 1-2 child/children. Then death penalty should be legalized, abortion should be legal everywhere and we should kill the homeless and retarded people. I think that most homeless people would want to die anyway and retarded people also. They only trouble others and give nothing to the community.

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17.08.2006 - 21:24

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Written by [user id=3112] on 17.08.2006 at 21:00
kids are very cruel...

Maybe lets kill all the cruel kids too? Maybe it will lower crime or something...

My position about this matter is still the same as before.

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I think that the best solution would be the way China is doing it. Only one child in family in overpopulated countries(heavy taxes and disadvantages othervise).

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17.08.2006 - 21:35
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Yea, i'm for real but at least this world would be a better place. I think that most of the homeless are afraid to kill themselves or they're just drunks who just don't care anymore...and i haven't met a homeless guy who has find their way back into society .Have you? How do u think that's even possible? Noone wants to hire them. And most of the retards would have not been born if they had a chance. I didn't say that killing murderers and rapists would stop crime but most of the rapists rape again when they get out. So at least they would't ruin people's whole lives anymore. The other alternative for the homeless would be to give them all jobs. But since unemployment is a problem too...
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17.08.2006 - 21:41
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Written by Bas on 17.08.2006 at 21:09

Written by [user id=3112] on 17.08.2006 at 21:00

Everyone who kills someone on purpose, who rapes someone should be killed. At least there would be less crime.

very harsh, but i agree here,

homeless people however? no i wouldnt ever agree with something like that, why not, because they WANT to TRY to survive, otherwise they would have already killed themselves long ago, and sometimes they even do find their way back into society, most often they dont, but my point is, there is hope for them, wherever there is help it is just cruel to kill

down syndrome... basically i agree that those people cant be very happy anyway, but here its not about them being sad, but think about all the family members of down-syndrome patients, it would be extremely hard for all of those

So you think we should let people with down syndrome live becouse they're parents would be sad if they'd die?
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afraid to kill themselves? then their lives can't be THAT bad,
drunks? then they do contribute to society, at least they buy alchohol...

i do know someone who was homeless and now has a job

if they are retarded they wont even think about the possibility of not being born, and there are alot of retarded people who are extremely happy, as statistically seen stupid people are often happier then smart people anyway...
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Written by [user id=3112] on 17.08.2006 at 21:41

So you think we should let people with down syndrome live becouse they're parents would be sad if they'd die?

why shouldnt we let them live? there arent enough people with down syndrome that the problem of over population were alot less bad if they would die,

and if you think they arent doing any good for our society anyway, they arent doing so directly,
but if they would be killed, yes their parents would be very sad, and then their parents would be mad against the system and maybe rebel and whatever, and alot of people would be mad and disagree with the system, as the answers in this thread have shown btw, and nobody would want to do anything for the system anymore, which might be devastating for society
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17.08.2006 - 21:46
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Well as well we could start killing stupid people too, and people that don't agree with us, oh yeah and ugly people too hmmm, what about left wings, right wings.. AND swedish people, yeah who needs swedish people anyways lol Where do you draw the line? Who is to decide who's got a right to live and whose not?
I don't know how old you are but I need to say with all my respect that your opinion about the solution for over population is the very most immature I've ever read in Metal Storm.
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17.08.2006 - 21:48
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Yeah, and how do they GET the money? They steal , beg for it or go through our garbage. Then they go around the town, drunk and scare people.
And ofcourse retards think about that - J.Kennedy and the famous elephantman for example.
But what is the point of keeping retards alive, who even can't work? For our amusement? Or what?
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17.08.2006 - 21:51
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Well who are you to tell how many kids someone can have? So what's your solution? And i think i made it pretty clear what i meant, only people who are useless should not live.
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well mortal enemy, i would just suggest you throw your copy of hitler's "mein kampf" or whichever piece of crap you have read in the garbage and get some psychiatrical help, afterwards you can inform yourselves about how happy or unhappy down syndrome people actually are, like i already said, statistically stupid people are alot happier then smart people, and then inform yourself about homeless people and find out that alot of them havent ever done anything bad and are victims of bad circumstances, whatever you do afterwards i dont care, but i hope it doesnt involve anything that could harm anyone because you are mad
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You are useless.
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@mortal enemy
Useless to who??? Maybe you're not that young after all, I mean you start to sound like back in good old U.S.S.R, at least you seem to have the same utopistic idea of perfect nation with perfect people. What makes human life valuable? How would killing homeless people or disabled people in Finland help the over population in Africa? What if you got into a car accident and broke your leg, would you be the one that should be killed?
The only solution is education, education on contraception, and also making contaception possible for everyone.
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17.08.2006 - 22:06
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God, people, you don't have to bitch about it. That's just the way i think.
Also in poor countries i think that propagating castration and stop this feed the world programme would help.
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well in any case such a child isnt dangerous....

and propagating castration?
we are in the 21st century, cutting someones balls off might have been acceptable a few hundred years ago, but just think about what you are saying, i repeat, get some help and stay away from dangerous objects
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@mortal enemy - You want to kill rapers, but castrate people living in poor countries?????wtf?+?+!+? Wouldnt it be better to castrate the (serial) rapers instead of killing them and leave the balls of others untouched?
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If we send them help and food, they won't start working. Besides - we can't feed them all...so when we send them food and money you keep them alive long enough for them to have children of their own. Then our children will send money to their children and so on, but we can't keep feeding other countries while they sit on their ass. If you really care you should not help and let them die to prevet suffering of the future generations.
There would be less people , more food and people would start working.
If they won't agree to be castrated then they could have vasectomy.
by the way, maybe if so many people would have not died in WW's, we'd have twice as much people as we do now.

to FrozenSky - No, rapers are criminals and deserve to die.
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darling.. honey, there's enough food, there's enough money.. there is plenty of both in this world, unfortunately it's not shared fairly, unfortunately those poor people work for your cup of coffee or your fresh fruit but because you buy your coffee or your fruits from greedy supranational corporation that is only thinking about profit he won't be paid enough to feed his family.

You really think all those starving people in Africa are sitting on their asses? You think they've chosen not to work..Do you think those people has chosen not to use contraception so that they'd have as many kids as possible even they don't have money enough to get food for themselves? Do you have any idea what kind of infrastructure those countries have? Actually, Do you have any fucking clue what you're blabbering about?
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Written by akatana on 17.08.2006 at 23:12

it is useless angelique .. just as many other close minded oppinions .. i never heard such absurdity as what she said that if those people would not have died in ww2 that would have been worse ..

I think that she might be just trolling, but on the other hand she has a pretty high postcount
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Written by [user id=3112] on 17.08.2006 at 20:11

Over population IS a problem, a big one. Personally i think that countries like China and India should not let people have more than 1-2 child/children. Then death penalty should be legalized, abortion should be legal everywhere and we should kill the homeless and retarded people. I think that most homeless people would want to die anyway and retarded people also. They only trouble others and give nothing to the community.

milady, the china thing is true...but it isnt a LAW that will send couple to jail if they have more than one kid. its just that the first kid is without any tax to the family. the second kid comes in, and the tax for that couple increases by like sky to earth(bad metaphore...).

but then again, the 'only child' tends to be fucked up in the head anyways. but meh

and that comment made on retarded people...yes it is a valid point...but then if that is valid, so should killing off anyone below the age of 5, and also killing all chimps/gorillas/ravens/dolphins in the world. reason being, that their IQ level is at about 40 as well. they learn. they communicate. they live. and they do love and get along with others as well.

and you havent found any homeless person tto find himself back into the society...? have you heard of a man called Jay Leno? the guy with the MASSIVE jaw. well...he has his own show, has like 100's of cars, donates thousands of millions of dollars to charity and tons of other stuff.

he is just one example. i'm sure there tons of others as well

i'm sorry if i seem to be a bitchy person. but i'm just explaining. so no, i'm not yelling at you. i agree with some of your points, but you need to expand your ideas a bit more to see a more reasonable and debatable idea.



and guys, thank you so much for making this topic go on to the 3rd fucking page! WOOOO!!!
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dunno i think this is just like in nature.if there aren't killers around,the entire population would be way too big.so we must encourage murder,terorism and war so that we can survive lol .in other words we must thin out our numbers or else we'll die(a south park qute).and there should be laws that don't allow ppl to have more than 1 kid and we must kill all the homeless guys and hippies cuz they drag our society down.these r bad ideas but eventually earth will be too small to suport all the ppl and it'll be much worse then.
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Actually that South Park quote was "We must kill them or else they'll die" ..and it seems to be that you've been brainwashed :
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Written by [user id=15442] on 22.08.2006 at 14:26

dunno i think this is just like in nature.if there aren't killers around,the entire population would be way too big.so we must encourage murder,terorism and war so that we can survive lol .in other words we must thin out our numbers or else we'll die(a south park qute).and there should be laws that don't allow ppl to have more than 1 kid and we must kill all the homeless guys and hippies cuz they drag our society down.these r bad ideas but eventually earth will be too small to suport all the ppl and it'll be much worse then.

You certainly have strong ideas about what is right and what is wrong. Homeless and hippies dragging down society? Support murder and terrorism to decrease our numbers? Dude, why not erase an entire fucking race? I mean, the asians are fucking useless anyway. [/sarcasm]

This idea goes straight into ALL of my principles and morals, and perhaps straight into the morals of 98% of the world population. Although the opinion of the world mass is mostly not too much thought about and more the opinion of 'sheep', I think this shows something.

And, if we decide to kill some people just to make room, who will we kill? Why don't you show us the right thing to do, and blow your head off? (Please, don't!) Who is going to decide who has the right to live and who doesn't? Could you answer that for me?
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Ok the past couple of posts have been absurd. (except nervel) Everyone here is talking about getting rid of the poor retarded peasants, but the real problem is the rich people, and governments. Those are the people who are ruining the environment.

Listen, unless we lived in a true COMMUNIST society, there would always be poor people. That's the whole fucking point of capitalism. So if you killed the people at the bottom of the ladder, you would eventually kill probably everyone but the richest people...who, by the way, suck. (well most of them)

Oh, one more thing...to those of you who think the Earth is actually crowded, LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP! I posted earlier about this mabye on page one or two. Go read it.
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Written by Konrad on 22.08.2006 at 22:11

Listen, unless we lived in a true COMMUNIST society, there would always be poor people. That's the whole fucking point of capitalism. So if you killed the people at the bottom of the ladder, you would eventually kill probably everyone but the richest people...who, by the way, suck. (well most of them)

So you are pro-communistic? Not that I defy communists, not at all, but I don't think a communistic political system will work. Simply because in this way, the government is in charge of controlling and owning everything. And, I just simply wont believe that a government can do that without turning corrupt.

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Oh, one more thing...to those of you who think the Earth is actually crowded, LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP! I posted earlier about this mabye on page one or two. Go read it.

Well, the way you look at something being crowded does of course depend on the definition of 'crowded'. It is true we have 'room', but most of these places are either hardly liveable (e.g. the Sahara), or are badly needed by men. (e.g. the forests, as we need air to breathe)

So, it is true that we still have some space, but the point of 'Over population' is more that at the speed our race (I mean all men by that) is expending, the world will become full. Just think about it, people live longer due to better medication and stuff, and parents get more and more children, so eventually we will ran out of room.
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hahaha no dude I'm not communist. Communism is a very naive idea, and could never work. Like you said, because the govt. is in charge and corrupt. ie: socialism...

The world is definitely becoming more full, but it's more of an economical problem as I had previously stated. As far as forest and desert areas...Sure we need forests to breathe and only people like Bedouins (sp) can live in deserts and survive. But still, look at the world's cities. Literally in USA or europe, you drive long distances between big cities. Even in China there is TONS of land. And it's not like the land is covered with forest areas either. So I think there are bigger problems we must focus on, if we want to survive (as a race).
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its not about the space we use, neither about forests or deserts, but about the bad gasses we produce which damage the o-zone layer...
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Yes, I wanted to say the same , it's not about the actual living space, but the air is bad, we are running out of natural resources.
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Written by Bas on 23.08.2006 at 19:04

its not about the space we use, neither about forests or deserts, but about the bad gasses we produce which damage the o-zone layer...

Hence - Economical.
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sure, the map is hardly being over run by people. but that doesnt mean the earth isnt over populated. i mean, for a city to be running, it needs to be in a center of tons of stuff. going back to the time of Jesus, for example, you would notice that the arabs were AWSOME at trading simply becuase they were in the middle of 3 to 4 booming civilizations(the egypts, romans/greeks, the indians, and the mesopotomians).

so no, people cant live where ever they want. there has to be a sufficient amout of water, food, fertile soil(to be self depended), and some sort of way to communicate around(like roads, or rail roads, plaines, ships etc)

therefore, all livable land is taken up. or atleast majority of it. sure, people may live in the north pole, or the artic/antarctic circles, but that doesnt mean its livable. same with the deserts, its not an easy life style. and if you go into the woods...why wouldyou wanna live there anyways? leave the sacred woods alone! we need em to live
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