Mad Arab666
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13.02.2014 - 20:01Rating: 8
93 comments. What this all about then?
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blackmamba
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13.02.2014 - 20:08Rating: 9
Written by Mattybu on 13.02.2014 at 05:09
Written by blackmamba on 13.02.2014 at 01:50
It doesn't matter if it's well written or not. When you rate an album, the purpose of the review is to justify that rating, and if the reviewer happens to have a poor taste in music, the least important thing is how well he writes. You can have the best writing ability in the world, but if you rate an album like The Satanist a 6.0, maybe you shouldn't be writing reviews.
Who are you to decide who has a good or bad taste in music?
On another note, threads like this are what make me lean towards no numbers... Even if people read a negative review they disagree with (I would bargain a good bunch of the whiners got to whining straight after seeing the score though) if there's no number to disagree with I would think it would foster more interesting conversation about the album itself rather than just "wow only a 6 i would have giveing this album like 10 million points of score reviewer u are dumb and have bad tastes". People would still bitch though don't get me wrong.
And who is the reviewer to state: "Lucifer is boring" It's the same thing, that's a subjective appreciation.
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blackmamba
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13.02.2014 - 20:09Rating: 9
Written by deadone on 13.02.2014 at 02:57
Written by blackmamba on 13.02.2014 at 02:39
Then don't rate the albums, describe the songs, give opinions about the production values, compare the album to the artist's older material, do what you want, but don't rate it, don't give it a number, because like you said it's all subjective. However, there are some albums that are praised by most, and that is the case here, so when you find a guy who rates an album a 6 and practically every other serious reviewer and the majority of fans rate it from 8 to 9.5, you definitely can see something is not clicking.
"Majority of fans" would include all the fanboys/girls who pick up the album at release.
This happens to all bands (e.g. I picked up new Iced Earth as soon as I could cause I'm an IE fanboy).
Fanboys/girls also tend to rate everything highly at release - the excitement of new album by their favourite band obscures any objective assessment of the album.
Next you'll get the people who are into Behemoth to lesser degrees and then casual listeners. The votes will then settle down.
Also once initial hype comes down, the fanboys/girls will also reevaluate their own experience of the album and re-rate it accordingly.
IMO a quality of an album can only truly be assessed about a year after you first heard it:
a.) Initial hype or even initial negative hype has been exhausted.
b.) One should've discovered and explorted all nuances of an album to find their true opinion of album.
c.) Album will prove itself as either a repeat listen or something that was just a fad at the time.
OK they should post the reviews a year later then.
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We all know that blackmamba wouldn't be having a hissy fit if the album got a good score, just like we all know that if this album was reviewed a year from now he'd whine about it all the same.
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Monolithic ♠♠♠
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Written by blackmamba on 13.02.2014 at 20:09
OK they should post the reviews a year later then.
1 year from now and there will be people who would prefer to forget it and there will be people who prefer it over everything released this year so that won't be much of a change.
I'm sorry but I fail to comprehend why all people should think the same about something OR take something too seriously without even knowing what it's all about. If you're going to let media, reviews, people or even the band decide for you to choose your music, you'd pretty much end up without a grip on what you really yearn for in music. I'm not implying it's wrong to follow external sources but it's clearly different from what the people or at least the reviewer thinks here. The principle of reviewing isn't just to wrap up an objective point of view and feed it into anyone's mind, but the presentation of a perspective which is more or less shared or opposed by fellow MSers, occasionally ending up in heated discussions and "u suck" chants to no avail.
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Schnabeltier 24
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Everyone (excepted blackmamba maybe) knows that a review is necessarily subjective...
I mean, the reviewer doesn't have to write "in my opinion" at the end of each sentence !
That's the opinion of a person about an album, nobody will kill you if you don't have the same opinion
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mz
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Jup's review for My Dying Bride is happening all over again.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Well this exploded
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Mattybu
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Written by blackmamba on 13.02.2014 at 20:08
"Lucifer is boring" - that's a subjective appreciation.
Duh. What you are having trouble understanding is that (revelation here) different people like different things. Saying someone has "bad taste" is a subjective opinion on your own part, and an opinion which holds no merit because it is founded on you getting your panties in a bunch because someone else doesn't like your favourite album. Talking smack about an experienced reviewer on top just makes you look like a douchebag.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Hex_Omega on 12.02.2014 at 21:40
Everything that is on this album was on previous albums.
Which is why I really don't understand why people are fellating it so much, but different strokes I guess.
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Himedal
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13.02.2014 - 23:20Rating: 7
For Satan's sake... 6?
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Himedal on 13.02.2014 at 23:20
For Satan's sake... 6?
Yeah, I know, too high
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Neoxx07
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13.02.2014 - 23:37Rating: 8
Some people like their black metal days, other the blackened days, and the actual days. i like the actual albums more, is far better and more interesting to hear.
if i wanna listen blackened stuff, i have belphegor and his sadistic/evil works, that blows behemoth discography any day.
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HumanSpirit
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This is why I dont write reviews, I may end up looking like an idiot and pretencious to others.
This album is awesome, in everyway. I dont think it deserves a mere "6" and lot of shit comments, I totally understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion but come on...
On the other hand, they are Behemoth and they can (and will) be the target of mixed comments and manage to keep making awesome music.
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HumanSpirit
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Written by Neoxx07 on 13.02.2014 at 23:37
Some people like their black metal days, other the blackened days, and the actual days. i like the actual albums more, is far better and more interesting to hear.
if i wanna listen blackened stuff, i have belphegor and his sadistic/evil works, that blows behemoth discography any day.
Truth spoken.
My favorite album is Pandemonic, so this one actually made me happy
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Have a listen to the album again after a week or two. It looks to me that you haven't heard the album at all, otherwise you would talk about it, not about older material. I respect other peoples oppinions, but The Satanist is a very good album. Verzy far from what you wrote here.
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wormdrink414 ElitePosts: 1295 |
14.02.2014 - 09:40Rating: 6
Written by HumanSpirit on 14.02.2014 at 07:24
This is why I dont write reviews, I may end up looking like an idiot and pretencious to others.
This album is awesome, in everyway. I dont think it deserves a mere "6" and lot of shit comments, I totally understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion but come on...
Basically everyone is entitled to their opinions but, come on, no they aren't.
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Big-Al
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14.02.2014 - 10:04Rating: 10
Written by HumanSpirit on 14.02.2014 at 07:24
This is why I dont write reviews, I may end up looking like an idiot and pretencious to others.
This album is awesome, in everyway. I dont think it deserves a mere "6" and lot of shit comments, I totally understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion but come on...
On the other hand, they are Behemoth and they can (and will) be the target of mixed comments and manage to keep making awesome music.
^yip.
I rate it 10.
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Svneatr Vitharr
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14.02.2014 - 10:36Rating: 9
This is certainly a Behemoth review from a death metal fan. I like that this album is more varied in tempo. There are plenty of bands who just unleash blast beats for 45 minutes and can make it work. I don't think that Behemoth is that band.
I personally enjoy all of Behemoth's albums and while some are definitely better than others, it doesn't make this one less enjoyable to me in anyway. It is a highlight in Behemoth's history, not a black mark.
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Cynic Metalhead Ambrish Saxena
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14.02.2014 - 10:58Rating: 6
Written by HumanSpirit on 14.02.2014 at 07:24
This is why I dont write reviews, I may end up looking like idiot and pretencious to others.
This album is awesome, in everyway. I dont think it deserves a mere "6" and lot of shit comments, I totally understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion but come on...
On the other hand, they are Behemoth and they can (and will) be the target of mixed comments and manage to keep making awesome music.
That's your hypocrisy, man. No one forcing you to write reviews and becoming an idiot. Matter of fact if you're an idiot, we welcome that.
Anyway, you just one of flying-fuck blind fanboys who wants to escalates the score neglecting the level of drowsiness this record went in.
Oh, that's my opinion. I'm entitled to do that.
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Nick_3f
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14.02.2014 - 12:03Rating: 10
After the rating I didn't even tried to read the review. You must be a special one.
Anyone giving less than 10 on this album should be crucified backwards or remake the ''Blow your trumpets Gabriel'' video clip as the victim.
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Lethrokai
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14.02.2014 - 13:14Rating: 7
Written by Nick_3f on 14.02.2014 at 12:03
After the rating I didn't even tried to read the review. You must be a special one.
Anyone giving less than 10 on this album should be crucified backwards or remake the ''Blow your trumpets Gabriel'' video clip as the victim.
Wow... you're really something.
How is it that so many people don't seem to get the idea that "subjectivity" is a thing? There is no such thing as an objectively rated album. Even "legendary" albums may not be for everyone; I definitely know a few that I largely dislike.
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Nick_3f
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14.02.2014 - 13:24Rating: 10
Written by Lethrokai on 14.02.2014 at 13:14
Written by Nick_3f on 14.02.2014 at 12:03
After the rating I didn't even tried to read the review. You must be a special one.
Anyone giving less than 10 on this album should be crucified backwards or remake the ''Blow your trumpets Gabriel'' video clip as the victim.
Wow... you're really something.
How is it that so many people don't seem to get the idea that "subjectivity" is a thing? There is no such thing as an objectively rated album. Even "legendary" albums may not be for everyone; I definitely know a few that I largely dislike.
When you make a review, you should not care about your taste or how positive or negative you are with a band. You should give the general idea to the people if the album worths buying.
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Written by Nick_3f on 14.02.2014 at 13:24
When you make a review, you should not care about your taste or how positive or negative you are with a band. You should give the general idea to the people if the album worths buying.
What a load of bollocks. Whether or not he thinks the album is worth people buying is precisely to do with his taste. Seriously, stop being a crybaby and trying to rationalise this review to mend your bruised ego.
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Http://mulj.net/index.php/recenzije/3520-behemoth-the-satanist
Use google translate, but be ready at a shitty translation.
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Nick_3f
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14.02.2014 - 14:26Rating: 10
BEHEMOTH U.S. Chart Numbers:
Billboard Top 200 - #34
Top Overall Albums - #34
Independent Albums - #6
Current Hard Music - #4
Overall Hard Music - #4
Overall Core Rock - #8
Top Current Rock - #9
iTunes Metal - #3
iTunes Rock - #4
iTunes Top Albums - #24
AND YOU F***ERS RATE IT 6! YOU F***IN KIDDING ME!? AND YOU STILL SUPPORT THIS F***IN REVIEW?
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Nick_3f on 14.02.2014 at 14:26
BEHEMOTH U.S. Chart Numbers:
Billboard Top 200 - #34
Top Overall Albums - #34
Independent Albums - #6
Current Hard Music - #4
Overall Hard Music - #4
Overall Core Rock - #8
Top Current Rock - #9
iTunes Metal - #3
iTunes Rock - #4
iTunes Top Albums - #24
AND YOU F***ERS RATE IT 6! YOU F***IN KIDDING ME!? AND YOU STILL SUPPORT THIS F***IN REVIEW?
Justin Bieber and Britney SPears has topped many charts, so US chart positions, or position on any other chart form any other country doesn't say a thing. It doesn't say how good an album is, just how well it sold. That's it.
And tbh I don't support this review for imo this review is way too positive about this Behemoth album.
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Cynic Metalhead Ambrish Saxena
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14.02.2014 - 14:49Rating: 6
Please give some unadulterated milk to Nick to bring down his blood pressure.
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Alex F
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14.02.2014 - 14:52Rating: 6
Written by Nick_3f on 14.02.2014 at 14:26
BEHEMOTH U.S. Chart Numbers:
Billboard Top 200 - #34
Top Overall Albums - #34
Independent Albums - #6
Current Hard Music - #4
Overall Hard Music - #4
Overall Core Rock - #8
Top Current Rock - #9
iTunes Metal - #3
iTunes Rock - #4
iTunes Top Albums - #24
AND YOU F***ERS RATE IT 6! YOU F***IN KIDDING ME!? AND YOU STILL SUPPORT THIS F***IN REVIEW?
If we use your methodology for rating albums then every Justin Bieber album should be getting a 10 on Metal Storm. Seriously, when are people going to learn that reviews are basically the equivalent of an opinion-based article. If you don't like the score, explain why and move on.
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Nick_3f
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14.02.2014 - 15:07Rating: 10
Never mind. I found the reason of this review.
http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/behemoths-nergal-thinks-the-majority-of-u-s-death-metal-bands-are-boring-and-generic
No need to complain anymore. You can support US bands with more effort and leave the Polish guy sell in Europe.
Sorry for being cruel. Business is business. I didnt know.
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