Both sides see history differently - for Estonians the bronze soldier represented Communist regime that occupied the country and killed thousands of people. For Russians it represents a victory in WWII against Nazi Germany.

I think Estonian prime minister should have waited until 9. May was over.

It wasn't a riot for a certain cause - it was a bunch of thieves and people with degenerated brains. I have nothing against protesting, but I cant tolerate if some stupid people use it to satisfy their needs by stealing and looting. I think Estonian police is advanced enough to capture those so called masterminds and neutralize them.

Written by UnholyMenace on 07.05.2007 at 21:56

Both sides see history differently - for Estonians the bronze soldier represented Communist regime that occupied the country and killed thousands of people. For Russians it represents a victory in WWII against Nazi Germany.

I think Estonian prime minister should have waited until 9. May was over.

It wasn't a riot for a certain cause - it was a bunch of thieves and people with degenerated brains. I have nothing against protesting, but I cant tolerate if some stupid people use it to satisfy their needs by stealing and looting. I think Estonian police is advanced enough to capture those so called masterminds and neutralize them.

Yes but Russia shood try do such thinks in Poland or whatewer Czech republic i wanna know how many of rioting ppl sill survive there

For me 9th(8th) may dont means nothing IMO real end of WWII was in 1989-1991 and Im not in comunistic and nazies side and I dont care IMO morrons cand forgive past we shood forgot it ... but seems we turning out of topic

I agree those riots well pll just fighting because of fights not some ideas/politics thats like in Hungary fight because of fighting

Well these things shook our small little calm EastOnion....In France these things are so common...just saw how the supporters of Ségo created a fine mess in downtown Paris because Sarko won.....
not that I'd support looting....of course there were simply some stupid greedy people who wanted to go and get free stuff easily...and well...some desperate people who followed them thinking that this is the way to show their despair...that's actually justified...our government and people are russophobes...people speak how "tiblas"(russians) should be put on trains and sent to concentration camps in Russia...well....but Russian people...millions of them already were there....died there....helped these thousands of Estonian fellow prisoners....like...thousands of Estonians were harrassed and killed...and tens of thousands of Russians....so....stupid thing to say that all Russians hate Estonians...

There are douchebags among Russians....so are among Estonians....sorry but if a very good friend says how other Estonian-speaking youngsters find out that her mother is Russian(she speaks Estonian well) and start frowning as if she should be ashamed that her mother is Russian, then sorry, but I find this attitude disturbing and I think that whoever responsible should consider his bad actions...we are suffering of a mass psychosis here....I personally don't hate Russians, never did.......I mean...we survived the time at USSR....why should we whine now that "oh, we suffered so much, please pity us you all and see how evil Russia is all the time"...Russia's politicians enjoy it...they can be even more evil and nasty....and well....our own politicians....no words about this....splashing each other with shite behind each other's backs and in front of others....we've seen it all the time...goodbye...

about Áileoisa...never cared about him....twice a year he had some flowers there....then he was painted several times...and after that he was drowning in the sea of flowers every fucking day....and the candles...the candles at night....saw him nearly every day...made him look so deep and goth.....

humm...ive been talking to this guy from russia for the past couple of weeks, and he really seems to be hating russia. apperently russia is on a second brink of collapse coz its 'insane'. considering that the government is really insecure, and afraid of its people, so they made up a lie about how they are almost(key word being ALMOST) at war with 'some unidentified nation'. and russian individuals seem to be trying to destroy anything touching its border OTHER than China. and apperently russia is a xenophobic nation....

i dont really know what the fuck is going on, but all i can say is...things are getting more fucked by the day.

I think Russian president is very two-faced person - one day he speaks that he doesn't like when foreign countries intervene into Russian problems, but the other day his government supports the acts against Estonia (it is proven that there have been attacks to Estonian government websites from president Putin's administration computers). Russia is also removing monuments, but nobody is rioting, nobody is saying anything.

Written by UnholyMenace on 09.05.2007 at 11:34

I think Russian president is very two-faced person - one day he speaks that he doesn't like when foreign countries intervene into Russian problems, but the other day his government supports the acts against Estonia (it is proven that there have been attacks to Estonian government websites from president Putin's administration computers). Russia is also removing monuments, but nobody is rioting, nobody is saying anything.

Because only one man who can say it and his name was ... well soem say he done suicide, some he use to live in Argentina

Man Russia still think that Baltic states and finland belongs to them oh yes thay think whole europe belongs to them, how i wish see chinease live 100km near moscow 20 years and China maybe show iron Fist to that damn country

Wow, i did not think that this topic would grow so annoying, before you say something that stupid, try investigating a lil, and stop eating every rumor for fuck sake.

Its really strange that Estonia staff accidentaly or intently do that in exact time of anniversary

Written by TOUGHEST MEMBER on 10.05.2007 at 15:02

Its really strange that Estonia staff accidentaly or intently do that in exact time of anniversary

what you mean

@K7: I meant I dont know if the Estonian goverment intently move the monument related to USSR ( based on TV news) coincidentally to the time that Russian celebrate WWII victory.

I agree that they should wait and let the May 9 pass...

Written by TOUGHEST MEMBER on 10.05.2007 at 15:57

@K7: I meant I dont know if the Estonian goverment intently move the monument related to USSR ( based on TV news) coincidentally to the time that Russian celebrate WWII victory.

I agree that they should wait and let the May 9 pass...

I dont know about gourement but wictory was in 8th may

Written by Bad English on 10.05.2007 at 16:25

Written by TOUGHEST MEMBER on 10.05.2007 at 15:57

@K7: I meant I dont know if the Estonian goverment intently move the monument related to USSR ( based on TV news) coincidentally to the time that Russian celebrate WWII victory.

I agree that they should wait and let the May 9 pass...

I dont know about gourement but wictory was in 8th may

May 9, I mean Russians celebrated on. In Estonia I guess they did on 8th May. What about Latvia?

Written by TOUGHEST MEMBER on 10.05.2007 at 17:37

Written by Bad English on 10.05.2007 at 16:25

Written by TOUGHEST MEMBER on 10.05.2007 at 15:57

@K7: I meant I dont know if the Estonian goverment intently move the monument related to USSR ( based on TV news) coincidentally to the time that Russian celebrate WWII victory.

I agree that they should wait and let the May 9 pass...

I dont know about gourement but wictory was in 8th may

May 9, I mean Russians celebrated on. In Estonia I guess they did on 8th May. What about Latvia?

Its becuase USSR end war in 9th may, western Europe in 8th may, ... here in 9th may but I dont selebrate anythink exepte xmass, easter and my b-day

Written by Bad English on 10.05.2007 at 17:49

but I dont selebrate anythink exepte xmass, easter and my b-day

haha K7 of course, I know you dont, just was refering to the government. I stop here, to keep the topic not off,

V-Day is over, guys.....the world is still spinning around....so...let's forget this subject....BronzeTarzan is happily living inside an ocean of flowers and blossoms and I do think he enjoys it there....and I hope we can all be friends here now....I personally try to be friendly at people...if they are friendly towards me and want to be friends, then I'll be good to them as well....politics sucks....so...don't speak of it any more...

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Written by Bad English on 09.05.2007 at 16:45

Because only one man who can say it and his name was ... well soem say he done suicide, some he use to live in Argentina

Man Russia still think that Baltic states and finland belongs to them oh yes thay think whole europe belongs to them, how i wish see chinease live 100km near moscow 20 years and China maybe show iron Fist to that damn country

God damn man, why do you have to write shits like this? I mean I like you man, but sometimes you really amaze me with your comentars.. This time it is really bad suprise...

I agree, no need to spread hatred or anything.

I am really glad that nothing bad happened the day when the estonian-russians celebrated they're day. Our president, Halonen said though that our media made the situation too dramatic, but that's not a big deal.

@Carrion - This probobly be out of topic but media always make thinks worst

@Jester and Arorax - I dont wanna see how politics ruine our friendship here, because its stupid way how lost friends
So... its up from you but i will understand(even i didnts ay nothing brutal)

I visited the statue at it's new location today with a friend....everything was nice and calm....lots of people were there...lots of flowers...everyone looked calm and pleased....and the guy himself does look fine there....a nice and calm and "tr00" place under some wild trees....

however....our government turned the previous location into some huge flowerbed....besides...the flowers which were bought were super expensive....all in all a huge sum of money was buried under it plus the money needed to dig up the graves, the money for reburying the soldiers plus money to clean up the shops...a money that could've been used for better purposes.....

but these are our politicians...gotta love them so much....

Life goes on....let's forget it now....we can't make this the centre of our lives now....

Nah, Viggo, lets go turn towns center into battleground again, maybe this time we even will get the chance to wear Hugo Boss, ow..wait, every bumm wears it now. Hugo Boss is so like.. five minutes ago.

Written by Eight on 14.05.2007 at 08:14

Nah, Viggo, lets go turn towns center into battleground again, maybe this time we even will get the chance to wear Hugo Boss, ow..wait, every bumm wears it now. Hugo Boss is so like.. five minutes ago.

Hugo Boss? What for? Naah, I don't like Boss....everyone wears it....but we want to look special right? Besides, they only bring shitey stuff here to Estonia...stuff that's already out of fashion in Europe....

I have a better idea....let's go to Brussels or Paris....I guess the choice is better there....unless the supporters of Ségo haven't already emptied the shopping malls....

Brussles, i want to visit that place again. And, don't say all of the sudden in a crowded place like this to a guy "Lets go to Paris"

Why? Are you afraid that the French won't let us enter the town because of fear that we're going to loot?

I've heard there are nice boutiques in Moscow too.

But Moscow is in Russia...and it takes time to get the visa....as we're in EU, we don't need any visas....and...it's a bit...more difficult to get to Russia now....they even threatened to close the railway between Tallinn and St Petersburg.....

You've got a point there mister. I can imagine a dialogue in the embassy to get a visa
"What is the aim of this journey, tourism?"
"Nah, just looting and stealing"

Ok, I think that topic's done... Time to concentrate on stuff that really matters - rocking out as safely as possible

Agreed.....to those who thought that we're going looting, this was a lame joke....
I couldn't stand this topic turn into just another Russian contra Estonian bitchingground....
Let's keep this forum free of this....

Metsatöll and Korpiklaani are going to give a gig this Friday in RockCoffik.....anyone plans visiting them?

Whats the price of beer there?

Expensive I imagine....I think as expensive as in Nõmme Kultuurimaja.....