Christianity

Written by Roman Doez on 20.01.2022 at 17:57

Written by Ivy Patterns on 20.01.2022 at 04:22

I am basically an agnostic but I'd like to point out two things about Christians

1. Some of the fakest, most arrogant, selfish people I've ever met called themselves Christians

2. Some of the purest, humble, gentle, and caring people I've met are Christians

I've learned to be very cautious when it comes to stereotyping

Religion doesn't define a person's entire personality, much like heir favorite film doesn't or their political beliefs don't either. Humans are complicated individuals and only knowing about one of their facets usually doesn't mean much.
(also unrelated but the answer to the dilemma in your profile pic is 1 because sqrt(x^2) = |x| and |-1|=1)

Agreed in regards to personalities. The same can be said of atheists or any other belief system. But I would caution equating personality with integrity and character. I do tend to see a correlation between integrity/character and beliefs.

Here's something to consider mathematically: sqrt(x^2) = (x^2)^(1/2) = x^1 = x

I am a math teacher and give this to my students quite often and enjoy listening to them debate and think it through.

Written by Karlabos on 20.01.2022 at 20:11

Written by RaduP on 20.01.2022 at 20:04

I... I think we should go back to the Christianity topic and leave the maths for the math topic.

Does anybody know if I can find a bible that also includes non canonical stuff like Enoch and all those apocrypha?

Wait... There's a math topic?



Funny that you say that. I recall catholic bibles having more extra stuff than the bibles the protestant. I wonder why is that? I don't think you could easily find physicals with the additional books that were removed centuries aog, tho. Best you can probably do is finding it online

I think you can find Catholic Bibles on eBay or Amazon, which include the Apocrypha. One of my high school friends had one in her home. I think the extra books were at the end as sort of a footnote.

I think in one of the non-canon books when Jesus was a little boy he cast spells on the kids that were trying to bully him.

Written by F3ynman on 21.01.2022 at 09:43

Yo, you should study physics! We use vector spaces all the time, especially in quantum mechanics - it simplifies things a lot.

Couldn't stand physics anymore, stopped doing it, now I study maths and geopolitics!

Written by Roman Doez on 21.01.2022 at 19:10

Written by F3ynman on 21.01.2022 at 09:43

Yo, you should study physics! We use vector spaces all the time, especially in quantum mechanics - it simplifies things a lot.

Couldn't stand physics anymore, stopped doing it, now I study maths and geopolitics!

OK, have fun!

Written by RaduP on 20.01.2022 at 20:04

Does anybody know if I can find a bible that also includes non canonical stuff like Enoch and all those apocrypha?

Catholic and Protestant selections are a little different, although you may find the Apocrypha included in some Protestant editions. Notable books omitted from Luther's canon include Wisdom, Sirach, and Judith. (And the two Maccabees are of historical interest.) Then there's late Jewish and early Christian texts that aren't canonical. These are two different things: something like Enoch did not get included in the early Catholic (i.e. Rome+Constantinople) canon in the first place, although it's in the Ethiopian (and maybe Egyptian Coptic?) canon. Most of the non-canonical gospels, like the gnostic stuff and infancy gospels, were never real contenders for inclusions in the canon.

So problem is that there's no fixed set of "the complete apocryphal books of the Bible" that you're likely to find in a single edition. The best you can probably do is get a critical edition that includes all the apocrypha recognized in the Roman Catholic or, even more inclusive, Eastern Orthodox canon. (Of course Septuagint and Vulgate textual versions also differ, so there's no end to completionism).

Then you should get, separately, collections of translations of Old Testament related (i.e. Jewish) and New Testament apocrypha (often so called although Luther used the Apocrypha to mean those books he demoted to secondary status from the Roman canon). New Testament apocrypha you will probably find split into Gnostic/Dead Sea Scrolls stuff, non-canonical gospels (these are the sexy stuff), and then there's acknowledged early Christian texts were just a little late to the party, namely Didache, Shepard of Hermas, the Epistles of Clement etc.

I can look up some good anthologies later if I remember.

My favorite pope (or second one since Pope John Paul II , well was one of key figure to get rid some illness in Poland) , but Pope Francis is my fav, because since when pope likes football. He was fan of Club Atlético San Lorenzo de Almagro team. Will La Gloriosa Butteler salute you?
I like Pope elections or votes. Those smokes,. sorry better to watch it as last big elections in once biggest, now biggest sinking country in the world.
I hope Cardinal Wim Eijk win, but I doubt. Dutch Catholics might bring some progress,
I hope Luis Antonio Tagle wont win, I want see European in the house, same time I hope Péter Erdő. ATM I dislike anything Hungarian , might work for Orban.
Pietro Parolin might be favorit, but he is 70 years old
So dunno,

Jesus bear Christianity, Christianity breeds darkness Satanism, Satanism is like bearing Black metal and metal general. Dark and light simply is scientific of matters in the universe. All god and religion is human imagination finally not true. No one will save you.

Written by User 6041 on 19.05.2025 at 17:14

Jesus bear Christianity, Christianity breeds darkness Satanism, Satanism is like bearing Black metal and metal general. Dark and light simply is scientific of matters in the universe. All god and religion is human imagination finally not true. No one will save you.

Reddit is down the hall and to the left.

Hi, Metal Storm!

It's been about 4 weeks since I last visited Metal Storm. For some, this might not seem like such a long time. But for me, who has visited the site almost daily since 2021, this was my longest absence ever. I needed a mental break, and, in the end, I've found a spiritual reawakening. I've started to embrace the Bible and Jesus Christ.

This new revival for me started with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. During his life, I only knew him as a great debater, challenging college kids to think critically about their preconceived notions and political opinions. It was only after his death that I learned that Charlie was an advocate for Christian values, more than any political stance. Getting married, raising a family... his message was describing the American dream, attainable through Christianity. Hearing the conviction and confidence in his voice, I, like many young men, began to believe, perhaps for the first time in my life, that such a dream is achievable, through faith in God.

While I was raised Christian (was baptized, went to a "vacation Bible school" as a kid during summer vacation, went through confirmation), for the last 10 years or so, my faith in God had receded. I'm not sure if there's one reason for this, but perhaps it's a combination of many: living in an increasingly secular society, studying physics at university, listening to metal music.

But now, after listening to Charlie and seeing how many new Christians he's won over through his martyrdom, I've been inspired to follow his example. So, I have:

• downloaded a Bible app by YouVersion.com: https://www.youversion.com/the-bible-app/ — I recommend the New American Bible (Revised Edition) version, as it's easy to read and has many footnotes and additional information.
  
• borrowed my parents' Bible (by Martin Luther, in German) and have started reading it everyday (mainly from the New Testament).
  
• joined a Christian community on X, where I share Bible verses that I especially like.
  
• begun watching Bible studies and Sunday services on YouTube.
  
• prayed at least once a day.
  

I've made quite the change in my lifestyle, but I'm happy that I've started this journey. The Bible and my Christian faith have given me guidelines to live, a purpose in my actions, and hope for the future.

As I've embraced this new lifestyle, I've reflected on my relationship with metal music. I've stayed away from metal in general these last few weeks, as I've struggled to reconcile these different parts of me. After all, many of my favorite albums have Satanic lyricism. Is there a way to enjoy both black metal and Christianity? Then again, while I do often pay attention to the lyrics and themes of bands, I like to think that I don't internalize any of their messaging. I don't praise Satan, but if a Satanic song has a catchy riff and the vocal delivery is impressive, can't I enjoy it anyways? So, I'll try to carefully return to metal music, treating the vocals as sound rather than message.

In conclusion, I'd like to emphasize how Christian faith is really a beautiful thing, and it's never too late to start. I really recommend it to everyone. Start small, for example with this Bible app, read one verse per day, and you will start to feel God's love.

If I have inspired you in any way, or, at least made you slightly curious, please reach out to me, either through replying in this thread or via direct messaging. I'd be happy to share with you my profile on the Bible app or on X and continue this conversation.

May God bless all of you!

Sincerely,
F3ynman

We lost goid talanted reviewer here ,i wish uou would stay,you hade a bright future, and there are bunch och bm bands what dont worship satin at all.

Written by Bad English on 05.10.2025 at 13:21

We lost goid talanted reviewer here ,i wish uou would stay,you hade a bright future, and there are bunch och bm bands what dont worship satin at all.

"Satin worshipping" - now that would be fine with many people...
Accidental humor is awesome.

Written by F3ynman on 02.10.2025 at 21:18
Is there a way to enjoy both black metal and Christianity?

I suppose it depends on how you define the term "Christianity" in this statement. Is it a belief or a religion for you? Religions impose rules and strive to control people, which is what Satanism rebels against. I've always understood Satanism as a critique of authority that uses a specific type of authority as a means of communication. At the same time, it mostly affects people who make their religion their identity and feel attacked by its messaging.

If Christianity is a personal belief for you, meaning it's a private matter between you and your god, and you're secure in this knowledge, then nothing anyone says or does should bother you. Again, broadly speaking.

Most of the religious people I know personally (who are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, or Buddhist) view ideas of "Satanism" (with or without a Christian connotation) as mere intellectual exercises (I'm now even sure such a thing can exist in Hinduism, for example, given Hindus already worship both creators and destroyers of the universe, and embrace this duality. Maybe a Hindu here can enlighten us). Everyone has their own belief system and approach to critical discourse. I don't think I know any religious people who feel threatened by a critical analysis of their faith. I imagine people of the Jewish faith might feel differently, given how often such criticism is merely a veil for antisemitism. However, I've never had that conversation.

Additionally, equating black metal with anti-Christianity reduces a musical style to a subset of its themes. Anti-Christianity is often merely a thematic wrapper for a deeper critique of social structures built around faith. There are also countless bands that don't delve into religious themes. These days, it's probably more problematic to be an anti-fascist who enjoys black metal than it is to be a Christian.

Written by Bad English on 05.10.2025 at 13:21

We lost goid talanted reviewer here ,i wish uou would stay,you hade a bright future, and there are bunch och bm bands what dont worship satin at all.

Thanks for the compliment — I never said I was leaving: "So, I'll try to carefully return to metal music..."

Obviously there is Christian bm you can listen to, but even nsbm share a lot of the same messages if its a charlie Kirk maga kind of Christianity that you're into. Plenty of options.

Written by F3ynman on 02.10.2025 at 21:18

Hi, Metal Storm!

It's been about 4 weeks since I last visited Metal Storm. For some, this might not seem like such a long time. But for me, who has visited the site almost daily since 2021, this was my longest absence ever. I needed a mental break, and, in the end, I've found a spiritual reawakening. I've started to embrace the Bible and Jesus Christ.

This new revival for me started with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. During his life, I only knew him as a great debater, challenging college kids to think critically about their preconceived notions and political opinions. It was only after his death that I learned that Charlie was an advocate for Christian values, more than any political stance. Getting married, raising a family... his message was describing the American dream, attainable through Christianity. Hearing the conviction and confidence in his voice, I, like many young men, began to believe, perhaps for the first time in my life, that such a dream is achievable, through faith in God.

While I was raised Christian (was baptized, went to a "vacation Bible school" as a kid during summer vacation, went through confirmation), for the last 10 years or so, my faith in God had receded. I'm not sure if there's one reason for this, but perhaps it's a combination of many: living in an increasingly secular society, studying physics at university, listening to metal music.

But now, after listening to Charlie and seeing how many new Christians he's won over through his martyrdom, I've been inspired to follow his example. So, I have:

• downloaded a Bible app by YouVersion.com: https://www.youversion.com/the-bible-app/ — I recommend the New American Bible (Revised Edition) version, as it's easy to read and has many footnotes and additional information.
  
• borrowed my parents' Bible (by Martin Luther, in German) and have started reading it everyday (mainly from the New Testament).
  
• joined a Christian community on X, where I share Bible verses that I especially like.
  
• begun watching Bible studies and Sunday services on YouTube.
  
• prayed at least once a day.
  

I've made quite the change in my lifestyle, but I'm happy that I've started this journey. The Bible and my Christian faith have given me guidelines to live, a purpose in my actions, and hope for the future.

As I've embraced this new lifestyle, I've reflected on my relationship with metal music. I've stayed away from metal in general these last few weeks, as I've struggled to reconcile these different parts of me. After all, many of my favorite albums have Satanic lyricism. Is there a way to enjoy both black metal and Christianity? Then again, while I do often pay attention to the lyrics and themes of bands, I like to think that I don't internalize any of their messaging. I don't praise Satan, but if a Satanic song has a catchy riff and the vocal delivery is impressive, can't I enjoy it anyways? So, I'll try to carefully return to metal music, treating the vocals as sound rather than message.

In conclusion, I'd like to emphasize how Christian faith is really a beautiful thing, and it's never too late to start. I really recommend it to everyone. Start small, for example with this Bible app, read one verse per day, and you will start to feel God's love.

If I have inspired you in any way, or, at least made you slightly curious, please reach out to me, either through replying in this thread or via direct messaging. I'd be happy to share with you my profile on the Bible app or on X and continue this conversation.

May God bless all of you!

Sincerely,
F3ynman

Oh, nice to see you are going that path. Go for it!

I always stood away from Christianity mostly because it always sounded too much of a faith thing and not really something that made logical sense.
Lately, though... I have come to realize I was dead wrong, lol. In fact from a religious standpoint it'd make sense that science (the study of nature) would corroborate God's word instead of advocating against it, since He really made the whole nature, right? Why is it that science "seems" to point otherwise, then? Well, what seems to happens is that we are only taught one side of the story and due to directed "thinking" are led to have the impression that the whole thing is "antiscientific", but it really isn't.

I have been following some YT channels that treat Christian faith with that focus on logic and I find they really good. Most of the time it requires you to know a lot about Christian philosophy (Aquinas and the such), but maybe you'll like it? I personally like the "Daily Dose Of Wisdom" channel, he comments on videos of people who do similar content, so not only you get great commentary but also discover new people to follow. I suggest you give it a try, otherwise the whole unilateral thinking science environment will crumble your faith, lol.

About Christianity and black metal... It is what you said: I always listen to metal music as the vocals were only an additional instrument. This is particularly easy for me since English is not my mother language, so I can just switch off the understanding whenever I want. Well, sometimes the lyrics I don't like are too much "in your face" and then it ruins the song, but then again if a song is made so that I can understand the lyrics together with the music, then it means the song isn't really that good, lol. I was never too bothered by artists singing stuff I disagree. It's really like watching a series and then learning the director is an asshole. Would I still not watch the series just becaise of that? How about a really good game? A good product? I don't really give up on things for trivial matters like that, so I also don't do it to music.

God bless!

Written by Karlabos on 09.10.2025 at 04:24

Oh, nice to see you are going that path. Go for it!

I always stood away from Christianity mostly because it always sounded too much of a faith thing and not really something that made logical sense.
Lately, though... I have come to realize I was dead wrong, lol. In fact from a religious standpoint it'd make sense that science (the study of nature) would corroborate God's word instead of advocating against it, since He really made the whole nature, right? Why is it that science "seems" to point otherwise, then? Well, what seems to happens is that we are only taught one side of the story and due to directed "thinking" are led to have the impression that the whole thing is "antiscientific", but it really isn't.

I have been following some YT channels that treat Christian faith with that focus on logic and I find they really good. Most of the time it requires you to know a lot about Christian philosophy (Aquinas and the such), but maybe you'll like it? I personally like the "Daily Dose Of Wisdom" channel, he comments on videos of people who do similar content, so not only you get great commentary but also discover new people to follow. I suggest you give it a try, otherwise the whole unilateral thinking science environment will crumble your faith, lol.

About Christianity and black metal... It is what you said: I always listen to metal music as the vocals were only an additional instrument. This is particularly easy for me since English is not my mother language, so I can just switch off the understanding whenever I want. Well, sometimes the lyrics I don't like are too much "in your face" and then it ruins the song, but then again if a song is made so that I can understand the lyrics together with the music, then it means the song isn't really that good, lol. I was never too bothered by artists singing stuff I disagree. It's really like watching a series and then learning the director is an asshole. Would I still not watch the series just becaise of that? How about a really good game? A good product? I don't really give up on things for trivial matters like that, so I also don't do it to music.

God bless!

Hey, thanks for the support and for sharing your perspective!

Cool to see that you've also come closer to God. Combining science and religion is an interesting task. As you said, at face value, they're treated very differently. But if one digs deeper, God is not too unbelievable at all.

Even in the most accurate description of particle physics, the Standard Model, there are 26 free parameters, meaning 26 numbers that can't be predicted, but rather must be accepted for the rest of physics to work. One could say that those 26 numbers were chosen by the Universe, or God. There are many incidents like that where things in science seem fine-tuned to enable life. Some people write that off as coincidence, but why not accept that there is some intelligent creator behind it?

Another aspect is that there are many phenomena that aren't understood (ranging from dark matter and dark energy to UFOs), and that there is a lot of potential for things that remain hidden from us, or at least from science. About 100 years ago, nuclear forces were completely unknown to mankind, even though they exist in every single atom. Why then couldn't there be other forces that we haven't understood yet? I recently rewatched the movie Interstellar, and if I recall correctly, there's a line that love can basically transcend time and space. Why not? Why can't there exist souls, and why couldn't they be linked by spiritual forces? Other dimensions, other forces, these are just scientific words that might explain these perceptions and feelings, but, in the end, they're just a reformulation of what's already described in the Bible.

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter. I'll make sure to check out that YouTube channel you mentioned, and I'll slowly make my way back to metal music

This guy Daniel O. McClellan also does an awesome YouTube channel, he is a latter day Saints morman, but still a sect of Christianity I guess.



He basically destroys anyone who tries to use the Bible for there own prejudices/dogma

Written by no one on 09.10.2025 at 19:57

This guy Daniel O. McClellan also does an awesome YouTube channel

Thanks for sharing! By coincidence (I was actually looking for a black metal band but ended up with the Apocrypha because of the similar spelling), I stumbled across his channel a few months ago, and I’ve loved the guy ever since. I find his scientifically objective yet humorous and very straightforward style ("This is your brain on Christian Nationalism!") truly refreshing.
Anyone looking for confirmation or even justification for their worldly beliefs in the Bible should really listen to what this guy has to say. That includes people who think that Charlie Kirk lived by biblical moral standards or that the current president of the USA is a good Christian.

Written by Starvynth on 09.10.2025 at 21:56
That includes people who think that Charlie Kirk lived by biblical moral standards

I was still baffled by "knew him as a great debater", hadn't even processed this part yet.

Just watched a few of McClellan's videos and I have to say I'm intrigued. That's the level of religious analysis I'm looking for when I dabble in such topics.

My wife is a Christian. She has read the Bible more than I’ve read The Lord of the Rings. From her perspective, Charlie Kirk’s views didn’t align with Jesus’ teachings.

Written by Metren on 10.10.2025 at 01:25

My wife is a Christian. She has read the Bible more than I’ve read The Lord of the Rings. From her perspective, Charlie Kirk’s views didn’t align with Jesus’ teachings.

My wife is Christian too, but I'm the only one who has read the Bible cover to cover 😆

Written by Starvynth on 09.10.2025 at 21:56

That includes people who think that Charlie Kirk lived by biblical moral standards or that the current president of the USA is a good Christian.

your best post ever.
To me there is something wrong whit USA , they still are like 70 years behind of Europe s evolution .
To me he was what leads young people to wrong direction.
I better listen to chatololic priest speaking on tv as him.
I can think by my self,I dont need him to show me the way.

Written by no one on 10.10.2025 at 05:12

My wife is Christian too, but I'm the olone who has read the Bible cover to cover 😆

At some point, I plan to read the Bible in its entirety. I've seen many movies based on it and all the fans tell me the book was better.

Written by Metren on 10.10.2025 at 17:03

At some point, I plan to read the Bible in its entirety. I've seen many movies based on it and all the fans tell me the book was better.

It took me a year. A lot of slog, especially the family lines. It's a fucking wild story though. Revelations is the best.

On one hand I found it really bizarre that this is the book for the biggest religion on earth. On the other hand it's so contradictory and fantastical you can kind of make anything you want out of it.

Written by no one on 10.10.2025 at 20:47

It took me a year. A lot of slog, especially the family lines. It's a fucking wild story though. Revelations is the best.

On one hand I found it really bizarre that this is the book for the biggest religion on earth. On the other hand it's so contradictory and fantastical you can kind of make anything you want out of it.

I have found many contradictions from the parts I’ve read, but my wife and some of my friends have explained a lot of those in ways that even my cynical skeptic’s brain can accept. Consequently, I think the number of contradictions or possible contradictions in both the old and new testament is wildly exaggerated by non-believers. However...

God’s killing of King David and Bathsheba’s infant child is a contradiction that can’t be explained. I do not recall the exact wording, but I know that it was punishment for adultery. God didn’t snap his fingers and go “Poof! No baby!” either, he killed the newborn with a long and painful illness. Other parts of the Bible describe God as love or being loving. I think it’s a moral contradiction to believe someone who tortures a child to death for the sins of the parents also defines love. It’s like the idea of a married bachelor.

Also, I realize that pointing out this contradiction can put a believer in a difficult spot, especially if they take the David and Bathsheba story as historical truth. On the one hand, the believer knows that the contradiction makes it impossible for me to believe the God of the Bible can exist, but on the other hand, if they try to explain away this particular contradiction, it’s an attempt to justify infanticide. And - while this may be unfair towards the believer - I am not one bit interested in giving even a second of my attention to any person justifying infanticide.

Written by Metren on 11.10.2025 at 09:33


And - while this may be unfair towards the believer - I am not one bit interested in giving even a second of my attention to any person justifying infanticide.

oh Im sure you just need to meet the right person to explain it.

Either way contradictions is definitely not the reason I'm not a believer.

Written by no one on 10.10.2025 at 05:12

My wife is Christian too, but I'm the only one who has read the Bible cover to cover 😆

Which Bible version did you read? King James, New American, New International, ... ?

Written by F3ynman on 16.10.2025 at 23:50

Which Bible version did you read? King James, New American, New International, ... ?

Trump version. Na all I know is that it wasn't the king James version. It was one of those old ones you would find in a hotel drawer. I brought it from the op shop and now it has gone back to the op shop so I can't find out what it was. I'm kind of kicking my self now that I didn't even look, but to be fair I didn't really even know there were any differences in versions at the time of purchase. Naive I know

Written by no one on 17.10.2025 at 01:53

Written by F3ynman on 16.10.2025 at 23:50

Written by no one on 10.10.2025 at 05:12

Which Bible version did you read? King James, New American, New International, ... ?

Trump version. Na all I know is that it wasn't the king James version. It was one of those old ones you would find in a hotel drawer. I brought it from the op shop and now it has gone back to the op shop so I can't find out what it was. I'm kind of kicking my self now that I didn't even look, but to be fair I didn't really even know there were any differences in versions at the time of purchase. Naive I know

You can switch between versions on Bible.com: https://www.bible.com/bible/114/JHN.8.NKJV

Written by F3ynman on 02.10.2025 at 21:18

As I've embraced this new lifestyle, I've reflected on my relationship with metal music. I've stayed away from metal in general these last few weeks, as I've struggled to reconcile these different parts of me. After all, many of my favorite albums have Satanic lyricism. Is there a way to enjoy both black metal and Christianity?

May God bless all of you!

Sincerely,
F3ynman

Nah, you're all good bro. There was a bloke at my local church just a week or two ago totally rocking an Emperor t-shirt while attending mass, holy communion and all, almost made me crack up.

I went to the Emperor show as well when they were playing where I live and it was awesome.

Got to admit I don't really like the more explicitly satanic lyrics but overall I reckon it's like watching an R-rated movie or TV show or listening to raunchy music and treating it as it is, just fiction and works of art and entertainment without any implication you personally like anything described in that song or show or believe in it in real life. Having said that, I'm not that much into black metal anyway these days, symphonic/folk/alternative etc. styles making up most of my playlist, but I absolutely love a black metal playlist during a gym session and a good metal playlist can be amazing concentration music at work. Most of the time with harsh vocals, can't understand what they're singing about anyway.

God bless you too!
Cheers