Written by LeKiwi on 14.10.2013 at 20:27

You know what they say; two wrongs most definitely make a right

Hi.

I'm BitterCOld, I'm a mod. The old tyme staffers used to refer to me as Duke Nukem for my willingness to blow up abusers voting histories like a kid shaking an etch-a-sketch.

Normally I'd handle these warnings in public, but as you posted you reasoning in this thread, I am posting so all can see, and no one gets the same idea.

If this is the case, not only will I be nuking your votes, but based upon admission of guilt, I'll be giving you a nice 30 day timeout from voting perms. (Or anyone else who gets a similar idea.... this is an omnidirectional warning.)

Future violations can result in permanent loss of permissions.

Hope that is settled.

Written by BitterCOld on 15.10.2013 at 02:31

Hi.

I'm BitterCOld, I'm a mod. The old tyme staffers used to refer to me as Duke Nukem for my willingness to blow up abusers voting histories like a kid shaking an etch-a-sketch.

Normally I'd handle these warnings in public, but as you posted you reasoning in this thread, I am posting so all can see, and no one gets the same idea.

If this is the case, not only will I be nuking your votes, but based upon admission of guilt, I'll be giving you a nice 30 day timeout from voting perms. (Or anyone else who gets a similar idea.... this is an omnidirectional warning.)

Future violations can result in permanent loss of permissions.

Hope that is settled.

Vote abuse is a permanent infraction, disparate from my voting patterns. I hand out 10s to albums that impress me at the time, a preliminary vote of sorts. Over time, the score usually diminishes to the rating that I see fit once I have properly listened to the album. Hopefully that's clear now.

Edit: I'm just clarifying that my comment "two wrongs..." was indeed sarcastic.

Another staffer made clear you are abusing votes yet you deny it, Mmm, weird seeing as staff made the rules and interpret it and not the user.

so...

am waiting for the nuke to drop and permissions to be taken

Sitting back with a good glass of beer and a huge bag of popcorn.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.10.2013 at 03:42

Another staffer made clear you are abusing votes yet you deny it, Mmm, weird seeing as staff made the rules and interpret it and not the user.

so...

am waiting for the nuke to drop and permissions to be taken

Sitting back with a good glass of beer and a huge bag of popcorn.

Bitter asked me to clarify that my activities aren't vote abuse and I've done just that. I'm a lenient voter and considering the voting system has no rules, how can I be infringing upon any?

Written by LeKiwi on 15.10.2013 at 03:18


Vote abuse is a permanent infraction, disparate from my voting patterns. I hand out 10s to albums that impress me at the time, a preliminary vote of sorts. Over time, the score usually diminishes to the rating that I see fit once I have properly listened to the album. Hopefully that's clear now.

Edit: I'm just clarifying that my comment "two wrongs..." was indeed sarcastic.

and boom goes the dynamite.

Written by LeKiwi on 15.10.2013 at 03:56

Bitter asked me to clarify that my activities aren't vote abuse and I've done just that.

He did no such thing. He issued you a warning. You failed to let it go, and boom went the dynamite.

Highly enjoyable but the mixing is terrible, especially on the voice.

Written by psykometal on 15.10.2013 at 07:20

He did no such thing.

He did; privately.

Written by LeKiwi on 15.10.2013 at 02:09

Vote abuse perhaps, but with good intention. In truth, my vote may have been the difference between top 10 or 11 on the charts, thus allowing the album to garner the attention that it deserves. Regardless of additional vote abusers that may swarm, at least it could remain in the spotlight for that small length of time

I was well aware of that, I was being satirical

Edit: At this point all signs of vote abuse has vanished and this album's time in the spotlight is long gone, so I put the vote I think this really deserves....for now.

Vote abuse is vote abuse, whether it's with good intention or not. Why do you care so much about your favourite album being in the spotlight or not? Like Marcel says, to you this (and other) albums deserve that attention but that doesn't mean it's the case for everyone. Being satirical or sarcastic doesn't work well on the internet either, most of the time.

The bolded part is where you went wrong again. It implies you might change your mind later about giving it the (in your opinion) correct rating.

Written by LeKiwi on 15.10.2013 at 02:29

Of course, as with most things musical, purely subjective. Do the maths; there is a rather conspicuous difference between the way a rating of 1 affects the score in contrast with a rating of 10. You also forget the vote abusers retain their scores, I don't; as indicated by my current vote to the left.

Edit: Also this is off-topic; we should probably stop.

Purely subjective? Yet your ability to judge the talent of vocalists is unbiased and objective, according to you, which is of course 100% wrong, as I explained multiple times to you.

Written by LeKiwi on 15.10.2013 at 03:56

Bitter asked me to clarify that my activities aren't vote abuse and I've done just that. I'm a lenient voter and considering the voting system has no rules, how can I be infringing upon any?

Nope, you actually simply admitted being guilty of vote abuse, but because you were so convinced that you were right in this matter now your votes are deleted as well as your permit to vote. He even gave you a second chance, but unfortunately for you, you didn't take it. So while I might have initiated this reaction by pointing out your 10 vote, it's not my failt at all that this has happened. Had you been sensible then this wouldn't have happened. The fact that you said "I'm a lenient voter and considering the voting system has no rules, how can I be infringing upon any?" tells me you didn't take the warning very seriously either, which is very strange to me.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.10.2013 at 02:17

according to you. And this album and many others certainly don't deserve any attention (according to me) so you'r e simply as bad as someone handing out 1's to these sorts of albums.

Yeah exactly. Even though handing out 1's to albums has a greater effect than 10's it's still the same thing in the end. I always found vote abuse totally pathetic since then you'd care more about the (in this case) MS rating than about your own rating, which means you're missing the point of rating entirely, as the rating is supposed to reflect your own opinion.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.10.2013 at 03:42

Another staffer made clear you are abusing votes yet you deny it, Mmm, weird seeing as staff made the rules and interpret it and not the user.

so...

am waiting for the nuke to drop and permissions to be taken

Sitting back with a good glass of beer and a huge bag of popcorn.

Yep, that's LeKiwi alright, unable to admit his wrongdoing in anything. Everything he claims is true while others who question him are wrong, in his vision. The sad thing is that he's actually totally convinced of him being right all the time, which is easily noticeable when you look at the way he formulates his messages. Hell, even when you and BitterCOld (2 staffers) confronted him he still never admitted he's wrong which is totally baffling to me.

Ok guys, let's move on. We all know what happened here, and can see the end result. Nothing more to say or do about it, so let's bring this thread back on topic. End of discussion, no if ands or buts about it. If you feel the need to continue discussing, you can do it in private amongst yourselves, no longer in this thread which is not for discussing the logistics of rate abuse.

Any further off topic posts will be deleted.

Big disappointment as far as I'm concerned.

Omg, how this amazing album, which grows more and more with each listen and never bores, is rated as the “worst” of vision bleak transcends me! This album is just perfect, eerie, dark , creepy like old hammer movies. it’s a piece of pure gothic art. What a underrated gem!

Written by hidden_ninja on 15.10.2013 at 11:21

Highly enjoyable but the mixing is terrible, especially on the voice.

I discord 100%. Mixing is just perfect!