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Nice review. Yet I don't see exactly what's racist in those lyrics. Seems to me like something that a pretentious hipster would say. Meaningless shenanigans to impress and woo the gullible sheep. Then again can't blame myself for not recognizing it. At how misused the word 'racism' has been for the past decades, it has become real hard to recognize real racism without actually raising an eyebrow.
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Written by TheMAGAmvm on 17.09.2019 at 21:56
Nice review. Yet I don't see exactly what's racist in those lyrics. Seems to me like something that a pretentious hipster would say. Meaningless shenanigans to impress and woo the gullible sheep. Then again can't blame myself for not recognizing it. At how misused the word 'racism' has been for the past decades, it has become real hard to recognize real racism without actually raising an eyebrow.
After studying the situation, by reviewing Mikko Aspa's NS ties, consulting that Bardo Methodology interview multiple times, and reading over teh album lyrics multiple times, I will say that, I believe that most peoples' negative reactions to this album and the allegations of racism and fascist sympathizing are indeed very unmerited. First of all, even if Mikko Aspa does have NS ties, he is not necessarily representative of the entirety of the band's lyrical inspiration and message, and they even make this point in the interview I attached here. Aspa =/= Deathspell Omega, and I don't think he even pens the lyrics either.
Secondly, I believe most people making such allegations are doing so rather lazily without much consideration of what the band themselves have to say about it, which is something that's been bothering me a lot about the art culture of today: the tendency of people to act as if they know more about a work in question and its intent than do the artists who made the work themselves. It's an attitude you see quite a lot that strikes me as nothing but snobby and pompous.
Lastly, in the wake of reading the Bardo Methodology interview along with the album lyrics again, I am very much getting the impression that they are intended to mock fascist ideology more than anything else. This is something that happens a lot in art, writers writing from the perspective of ideologies and belief systems outside of their own, and I feel as though listeners/readers ought to keep this perspective in mind.
That's all I really have to say about it I guess. The interview really clears everything up in my book.
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18.09.2019 - 08:51Rating: 8
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It's still growing on me, yet I'm leaning towards Paracletus as the better album. But Paracletus was also my first DsO album and the one I'm most familiar with. There have been quite a few releases in the past couple of months that have wowed me, so I haven't given their new one many repeated plays. It's in the back of my mind though.
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Written by Auntie Sahar on 17.09.2019 at 22:33
After studying the situation, by reviewing Mikko Aspa's NS ties, consulting that Bardo Methodology interview multiple times, and reading over teh album lyrics multiple times, I will say that, I believe that most peoples' negative reactions to this album and the allegations of racism and fascist sympathizing are indeed very unmerited. First of all, even if Mikko Aspa does have NS ties, he is not necessarily representative of the entirety of the band's lyrical inspiration and message, and they even make this point in the interview I attached here. Aspa =/= Deathspell Omega, and I don't think he even pens the lyrics either.
Secondly, I believe most people making such allegations are doing so rather lazily without much consideration of what the band themselves have to say about it, which is something that's been bothering me a lot about the art culture of today: the tendency of people to act as if they know more about a work in question and its intent than do the artists who made the work themselves. It's an attitude you see quite a lot that strikes me as nothing but snobby and pompous.
Lastly, in the wake of reading the Bardo Methodology interview along with the album lyrics again, I am very much getting the impression that they are intended to mock fascist ideology more than anything else. This is something that happens a lot in art, writers writing from the perspective of ideologies and belief systems outside of their own, and I feel as though listeners/readers ought to keep this perspective in mind.
That's all I really have to say about it I guess. The interview really clears everything up in my book.
Can't deny anything you say. I haven't checked the interview, nor do I have any interest in checking it out. I don't really give 2 cents about what Mikko Aspa is and what he believes. If he is a neo-nazi, I would like for him to be in the spotlight for people to see (and mock), same as I do with commies. Suppressing people with totalitarian instincts on the long run will only legitimize their degenerate ideas and give them public credibility. Happened in the past all too many times.
The little I checked, out of curiosity about him, was anti-white racists being angry that this guy, and DsO implicitly are racists (despite the fact that the other 2 members are not confirmed to be racists or nazi sympathizers). You know, those guys who cannot fathom that blacks or Asians can be racist as well and presume racism is a construct that belongs and is upheld by whites alone. The other group being all whiny were the hipsterian left. All of them have more in common than they believe.
You may be right about them mocking fascist ideology. Those lyrics at least sound way too corny to actually glorify it. Too pretentious, almost self-parody-like.
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Written by Lord Slothrop on 18.09.2019 at 08:51
It's still growing on me, yet I'm leaning towards Paracletus as the better album. But Paracletus was also my first DsO album and the one I'm most familiar with.
It's like that a lot sometimes, isn't it, with the first album you hear from a band being your favorite? Fas was the first Deathspell album I heard and is still probably my favorite actually, although this one is definitely serving as a close #2 favorite for me now. The slower passages are just delicious and exactly what I was looking for in a new DsO album.
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18.09.2019 - 19:49Rating: 10
Apothecary, thank you for this review. It´s brave to write about DsO now, but it seems anyone to do that needs to justfy him/herself (
There´s no reviews of this album in "big" metal media sites and I agree with you about people it´s lazy and it´s not reading depply about all of this. Miko Aspa is an asshole, ok, but it´s a great extreme singer, one of the best right now in my opinion.
Hasjalr work is so impressive...  :o:o Why is not EVERYBODY talking about him EVERYDAY  .
As you said: "(DsO) smoke the rest of their contemporary emulators".
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Written by Gesualdo on 18.09.2019 at 19:49
Hasjalr work is so impressive... :o:o Why is not EVERYBODY talking about him EVERYDAY .
He does indeed seem to be the brains behind the band. The interview I embedded here doesn't specify which Deathspell Omega member it was done with, but I think it's pretty safe to assume it's him. And that just makes me extra curious now to check out more of his work and what he's involved in because the answers to a lot of the questions there are quite intriguing and, frankly, I want to know more.
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18.09.2019 - 23:37Rating: 10
It´s Hasjarl for sure who is answering...
In my opinion, the lyrics are great in Furnaces but really far of the previous DsO´s works, with Paracletus again on the Top... what a piece of art... literature in excelsior level!!
The interview is awesome. It´s as a surprise for me he dindn´t mention to Spengler, but well, we have a lot to investigate here...
Here we discuss everything about his answers to the interview (I hope you enjoy it):
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathspellOmega/comments/c47aw4/finally_new_deathspell_omegas_interview/
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