Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
01.11.2011 - 06:25Rating: 8
Written by [user id=109246] on 01.11.2011 at 04:54 Anyone not convinced about the sound really much? It's too much reverbed or something to my taste...
I didn't have a problem with it at all - in fact it reminded me a lot of their previous album.
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
01.11.2011 - 08:17Rating: 8
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True review. People swear too much by originality these days. Sure, it's nice when it's not the same old, but some bands are so good in what they do it would be a shame to change it too much.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
01.11.2011 - 08:27Rating: 8
A bit higher than I'd rate it, but this is still a damn nice melodic death metal album with the same atmosphere you always expect from them.
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LeChron James Helvetesfossen
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I don't agree with your classification of what makes a great Metal band. Especially when you say that a great metal band has to follow the same song/album structures in order to be great. Sure, consistency is good, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the band's shit has to sound the same in order for them to be considered "legitimate" or "great" or "legendary" or "HOLY TITS I CAME EVERYTIME THIS BAND RELEASED AN ALBUM". I disapprove of this review on these grounds
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Kuroboshi
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01.11.2011 - 11:45Rating: 9
I think there are different ways of defining a great metal band, but his definition is definitely ONE of them, not THE one.
Anyways, really looking forward to giving this a spin, thanks for a great review!
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R'Vannith ghedengi ElitePosts: 3099 |
01.11.2011 - 12:26Rating: 9
Written by Milena on 01.11.2011 at 08:17
True review. People swear too much by originality these days. Sure, it's nice when it's not the same old, but some bands are so good in what they do it would be a shame to change it too much.
Couldn't agree more, I haven't heard in what sense this is 'same old' as I haven't heard their earlier material but when you have working guns, why not stick to them?
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flamey
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Am I the only one who has a problem with vocals? They have to be louder, I feel that vocals are being drowned in the music. It's pretty annoying. I felt similar for Across the Dark but here it was even worse.
My favorite is still AtWW.
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Iron Nostarion Maiden Whore
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01.11.2011 - 15:09Rating: 10
Great review, I agree with it almost 100%. The album is great indeed and it's my first from the band. Already in love from my first listen.
About the "originality" debate:
These days, it has become cool for any metalhead to state that this album is "not that good" because it's released in the late 2000's or early 2010s. Some take it to even any album not in the '80s or earlier. Some are waiting for "legendary" records, but to reply to them, there's nothing legendary, not even those of old. One can ALWAYS point out flaws, a song they hate, or a large fuck-up; "perfect" is not to be taken literally when rating or stating an opinion. Others just want to hear something absolutely new on every single record they buy. Sometimes one's just gotta respect the style of the band and what they offer. Judge them comparing to how well they do their style in the end, and you'll be much more pleased with music you hear.
TLDR: You're killing metal with all the pessimism, this album is good, I like mashed and gravy and haven't eaten them in a long time and I want them so bad.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino StaffPosts: 18374 |
Written by LeChron James on 01.11.2011 at 10:12
I don't agree with your classification of what makes a great Metal band. Especially when you say that a great metal band has to follow the same song/album structures in order to be great. Sure, consistency is good, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the band's shit has to sound the same in order for them to be considered "legitimate" or "great" or "legendary" or "HOLY TITS I CAME EVERYTIME THIS BAND RELEASED AN ALBUM". I disapprove of this review on these grounds
Like somebody else said: There are many different ways a band can be considered great. His definition is definitely ONE of them, not THE one.
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SymphonyImpaled
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Man, this is a veritable fountain of whacked out views.
Originality is majorly why people started listening to metal in the first place. True, we have a genre for every popular metal song structure or lyric base, but it's the original ones that really leave a mark. This whole deal about putting your own ideas into a form that everyone else uses is a bit too purist. Personally, i've gotten bored of the "same old shit" over the years. Insomnium, for example, is a bit like amon amarth, where, for a while after you first hear them, they seem amazing. Then slowly you realize that once you've heard a bunch of their music, it's all the same shit.
Aside from that... Good review.
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^ In the same place as him really. People are also pretty hypocritical with the "originality" thing as well, calling unoriginal stuff they like "tried and tested" and "why fix what ain't broken?" yet they'll happily doll out criticism to stuff they happen not to like. At the end of the day your own personal feelings override any real arguments about something being original, even if what you're listening to is cookie-cutter clone material.
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I agree with the review and all....but its strange to me how all of a sudden people praise Insomnium and rate this album so highly - because theyve ALWAYS been this good. In fact, Above the Weeping World is better than this release and Since the Day it All came down as well, so Im puzzled that the praise for them has come so suddenly, when it should have come a lot sooner.
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
01.11.2011 - 20:42Rating: 8
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I don't want to quote a lot of people, but I'd like to state my thought about your posts.
Us who say that originality is overrated don't mean that a band can rehash the same shit a thousand times over or rip off, the same way as you people who praise originality don't necessarily mean that every album you hear must be different from all the releases of the world. We both have middle grounds, and Tolstoy once said that people who differ only a tiny bit in their opinion are the ones that argue the most, I believe he was completely right
But at the end of the day, when I play a classic Iron Maiden album next to this one or any Insomnium album, they're both equally headbangable and enjoyable. But people give 10s to Iron Maiden for their groundbreaking work, in spite of the fact they weren't exactly pioneers of their genre and also the fact that people played more challenging forms of metal in the 80's, just like people play more challenging forms than melodeath today. Time changes a lot of perspective on music.
And for those who complain that Insomnium has always been this good - that's what it's all about, we praise their continuity! Bands have tremendous ups and downs, and every band can reach a high point which will be impossible for them to achieve ever again (I might do a list on this) but if a band is consistently good for 5 consecutive albums, only a couple of points from perfection, that is a very nice achievement in my book.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
01.11.2011 - 20:45Rating: 8
Written by [user id=1909] on 01.11.2011 at 19:08 I agree with the review and all....but its strange to me how all of a sudden people praise Insomnium and rate this album so highly - because theyve ALWAYS been this good. In fact, Above the Weeping World is better than this release and Since the Day it All came down as well, so Im puzzled that the praise for them has come so suddenly, when it should have come a lot sooner.
I don't know why but a lot of the more melodic releases are becoming overwhelmingly praised and overrated this year. I like a lot of that music but you're right, Insomnium have done far better than this and they've been doing it for a while. I dunno, maybe people only check out the new album and think it's a masterpiece when they haven't even bothered with their back catalog.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino StaffPosts: 18374 |
Written by Milena on 01.11.2011 at 20:42
And for those who complain that Insomnium has always been this good
If you mean Valaskjalf's post... He wasn't complaining at all... just confused at the sudden burst of "omfg the band is awesome" like if Insomnium was born yesterday or something which is quite hilarious to say the least.
Like Troy said... It's probably because there are too many people who just check some x popular band's latest album and nothing else.... The label change also helped though.
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Risto Wandering Midget
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01.11.2011 - 20:51Rating: 8
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.11.2011 at 20:45
Written by [user id=1909] on 01.11.2011 at 19:08 I agree with the review and all....but its strange to me how all of a sudden people praise Insomnium and rate this album so highly - because theyve ALWAYS been this good. In fact, Above the Weeping World is better than this release and Since the Day it All came down as well, so Im puzzled that the praise for them has come so suddenly, when it should have come a lot sooner.
I don't know why but a lot of the more melodic releases are becoming overwhelmingly praised and overrated this year. I like a lot of that music but you're right, Insomnium have done far better than this and they've been doing it for a while. I dunno, maybe people only check out the new album and think it's a masterpiece when they haven't even bothered with their back catalog.
This is probably close to the truth. They recently signed with one of the biggest metal labels and now have bands such as Dark Tranquillity, In Flames and Arch Enemy as their label mates. That's quite a bump in the band's social and marketing networks.
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
01.11.2011 - 20:56Rating: 8
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 01.11.2011 at 20:50
If you mean Valaskjalf's post... He wasn't complaining at all...
Oh, I saw a similar post somewhere in the threads, I wasn't talking about him, just confused the two threads... or maybe even mixed up posters on Metalstorm with friends of friends on Facebook O_O either way I'm senile.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
01.11.2011 - 21:36Rating: 8
Written by Milena on 01.11.2011 at 20:56 either way I'm senile.
No surprise there!
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Wes
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01.11.2011 - 21:47Rating: 7
One of the most boring albums of my life.. Puts me to sleep.
"The naysayers will point out the same song structures, same album structure and the same atmosphere as on Across The Dark. And it would be hard to refute them. But beauty is in the details and the musicians are throwing a lot of those at you over the course of a single song. And that is why Insomnium swim at the top of their musical field."
I'm glad you address the problem with the album(s) in this paragraph. Somehow I just cannot get over it. I haven't been able to enjoy a single album of their since their first. I guess I just don't like this kind of song structure to begin with. Somehow it's too insisting, you could call it pretentious. As I mentioned before each song is like a symphonic buildup without a resolution.
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
01.11.2011 - 21:47Rating: 8
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.11.2011 at 21:36
No surprise there!
Oh Troy, I adore spamming with you, but must we violate every thread?
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
01.11.2011 - 21:50Rating: 8
Written by Milena on 01.11.2011 at 21:47 Oh Troy, I adore spamming with you, but must we violate every thread?
Don't worry, I can bring it back on topic all the time.
People who vote for this album, giving it a 9/10 are probably senile as they don't take into account the previous releases. AtWW began this "low-fi" drowned vocals high melody style and they've made subtle changes with each successive release. Like the Amon Amarths and Kataklysms of the metal world, Insomnium will be loved and hated for the music they make as some will appreciate them sticking to what they know while others will shit on them for refusing to experiment.
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Written by flamey on 01.11.2011 at 13:57
Am I the only one who has a problem with vocals? They have to be louder, I feel that vocals are being drowned in the music. It's pretty annoying. I felt similar for Across the Dark but here it was even worse.
My favorite is still AtWW.
I totally agree, the vocals were mixed very poorly, way to quite through out the whole album, which is odd because the quality of their other albums is great
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Crème fraiche
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I think all of their albums sound the same lol.
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Merchant of Doom
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Decent album... the usual high standards, but their formula is becoming a tad boring now...
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
03.11.2011 - 01:17Rating: 8
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.11.2011 at 21:50
People who vote for this album, giving it a 9/10 are probably senile as they don't take into account the previous releases. AtWW began this "low-fi" drowned vocals high melody style and they've made subtle changes with each successive release. Like the Amon Amarths and Kataklysms of the metal world, Insomnium will be loved and hated for the music they make as some will appreciate them sticking to what they know while others will shit on them for refusing to experiment.
The problem with 99% people is that they expect bands not to have an expiration date, to stay in the style everyone expects them to be in, but somehow turn out different every time, bring 'new stuff to the scene' and have higher quality with every subsequent release although they started on a high quality level. If a band fails one of these things, everyone makes a remark. Try to look back on any release by any band and you'll see this is true.
I gave them a 9/10 myself, as they are the finest band in this particular style and it would be a shame they drifted into different waters. I don't expect them to surpass their high point, I want them to issue awesome music which they'll be satisfied to play and also that their criteria of awesome music doesn't drop. Musicians are human, you people may laugh at, let's say, Alexi Laiho for saying that RRF is the best album he did, better than all the old CoB ones, but maybe that's the stuff he genuinely wants to play now and what he likes, and his taste in music has deteriorated. Most people don't get that. Or, to take an example of trueest of the true shit: "Oh hell, how did the Metallica dudes ever start crapping on themselves?" Maybe they just genuinely liked it. And there are plenty of other bands to listen to instead of moaning over the low points.
But I do moan about the low points sometimes. *cough* Dreamtheaterwhyyounothinkabitbeforeyoupressrecordandcramthefirstcrapthatcomestoyourmindbecauseyourecoollikethatialmostendeduphatingbreakingallillusionstooforthatcrappychorus *cough
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1Yossarian1
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10.11.2011 - 21:21Rating: 10
Extremely well written review.
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Danny Thomas
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Written by Milena on 01.11.2011 at 20:42
I don't want to quote a lot of people, but I'd like to state my thought about your posts.
Us who say that originality is overrated don't mean that a band can rehash the same shit a thousand times over or rip off, the same way as you people who praise originality don't necessarily mean that every album you hear must be different from all the releases of the world. We both have middle grounds, and Tolstoy once said that people who differ only a tiny bit in their opinion are the ones that argue the most, I believe he was completely right
But at the end of the day, when I play a classic Iron Maiden album next to this one or any Insomnium album, they're both equally headbangable and enjoyable. But people give 10s to Iron Maiden for their groundbreaking work, in spite of the fact they weren't exactly pioneers of their genre and also the fact that people played more challenging forms of metal in the 80's, just like people play more challenging forms than melodeath today. Time changes a lot of perspective on music.
And for those who complain that Insomnium has always been this good - that's what it's all about, we praise their continuity! Bands have tremendous ups and downs, and every band can reach a high point which will be impossible for them to achieve ever again (I might do a list on this) but if a band is consistently good for 5 consecutive albums, only a couple of points from perfection, that is a very nice achievement in my book.
pretty much agree with all of what you said. i was actually late to the party with this band (didn't hear about them until somewhere between album 3 and 4) but I have been nothing but Impressed with everything I have heard, and generally leave an album playing from start to finish.
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04.09.2018 - 00:18Rating: 9
Another amazing release. Consistent and powerfull CD! Insomnium in great shape at this phase of their career.
Having said this, for me the highlights of this CD are "Through the Shadows", "Unsung", "Song Of The Blackest Bird", "Lay The Ghost To Rest" and "One for Sorrow".
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