Rammstein - More Censorship Issues
After being censored for the pseudo mini-porn video that was "Pussy" and the controversies surrounding the single "Ich Tu Dir Weh" (I Hurt You) and a picture inside the album booklet displaying guitarist Richard Z. Kruspe spanking a chubby woman wearing only a mask, it seems that also two Rammstein live shows will be censored now.
In November the album Liebe Ist Für Alle Da got "indexed" by the German Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons, making it illegal in Germany for minors to purchase the album, or display it where it can be seen by people underage, effectively banning it from stores. At the time, keyboardist Christian Lorenz expressed surprise at the advisory board's "parochial sense of art" and regretted their apparent inability to detect irony.
Now, the German Family Ministry authorities will not allow the band to perform any songs that have been indexed on both their Dortmund shows. Furthermore, the ministry demands each band member to sign a "written explanation before the concerts, that the indexed songs will indeed not be played." In case of violation, the band faces a fine of ?10,000, per person. Public Order director Ortwin Schafer also stated that the Youth Protection Act will be put into force in conjunction with the police and "fans under 18 must be accompanied by parent or guardian of a person to attend the concert. Fans without a parent or guardian in attendance will be sent home."
Both concerts, each with over 10,000 attendees, are both sold out. Though the organizers tried to downplay the situation: "We have received no request of the public order of Dortmund", says Silvia Pape of "Concert Team NRW". However, there were already telephone contacts. Pape: "Once we have something on paper, we will forward it on to the management and the band. The final decision lies with the guys. "
The full article (in German) here.
In November the album Liebe Ist Für Alle Da got "indexed" by the German Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons, making it illegal in Germany for minors to purchase the album, or display it where it can be seen by people underage, effectively banning it from stores. At the time, keyboardist Christian Lorenz expressed surprise at the advisory board's "parochial sense of art" and regretted their apparent inability to detect irony.
Now, the German Family Ministry authorities will not allow the band to perform any songs that have been indexed on both their Dortmund shows. Furthermore, the ministry demands each band member to sign a "written explanation before the concerts, that the indexed songs will indeed not be played." In case of violation, the band faces a fine of ?10,000, per person. Public Order director Ortwin Schafer also stated that the Youth Protection Act will be put into force in conjunction with the police and "fans under 18 must be accompanied by parent or guardian of a person to attend the concert. Fans without a parent or guardian in attendance will be sent home."
Both concerts, each with over 10,000 attendees, are both sold out. Though the organizers tried to downplay the situation: "We have received no request of the public order of Dortmund", says Silvia Pape of "Concert Team NRW". However, there were already telephone contacts. Pape: "Once we have something on paper, we will forward it on to the management and the band. The final decision lies with the guys. "
The full article (in German) here.
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8672  |
My gosh...this is even worse than banning Temnozor gigs...there is at least something to build on...
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| Troy Killjoy perfunctionist Staff Posts: 21306  |
Yet Lady Gaga and all your other hip-hop artists selling sex in their music (not to mention the gang violence constantly pushed on society in rap) are viewed as FINE displays, apparently appropriate enough for our youth to listen to, while Rammstein gets knocked on for being a metal act that has brought more light to pseudo-artistic BDSM. This is a fucking joke. Dee Snider / Tipper Gore anyone?
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8672 |
You can walk around in mini-mini-mini-mini-mini bikini like there in hip hop and rnb...but you should never show tits and pussy...Rammstein did both and therefore break "all rules of proper conduct" 
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| Troy Killjoy perfunctionist Staff Posts: 21306 |
Suggestive nudity and artistic nudity are entirely different things.
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| Uirapuru Liver Failure Posts: 2955  |
So hard to simply put an +18 on the album and the shows.
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| X-Ray Rod Skandino Staff Posts: 18390  |
God, this is just plain stupid. And if the band don't do what those assholes want they have to pay 10 000 euro? what a fucking joke. Many artists do that thing all the friggin time but they don't have any problems....
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.01.2010 at 12:20 agreed!
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| Bad English Tage Westerlund Posts: 62155  |
Its pathetic we ban Rammstein where we can see natural thinks and same time those ministrs secretly at home watch porn, vanking, use whores and sodo sex whit underaged gilrs and same time ban this pathetic
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Written by matthioso on 14.01.2010 at 14:07 Double agreed!!
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| Øyvind Grave Digger Posts: 671  |
I think Rammstein is really corrupting young minds everywhere. We should encourage the band to turn their gigs into family get-togethers, instead of these lascivious porn displays. And there's a huge difference between athletic r'n'b stars and porn movies Rammstein makes, the semi-nude hip-hop/rnb celebrities don't encourage sinful thoughts and lewd behaviour, not at all.
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| Promonex Cathemeral Elite Posts: 9720  |
Written by silenius on 14.01.2010 at 13:55 Believe me, we Germans aren't too happy about it either. @Troy: Rap promoting violence and sodomy gets banned here in Germany just as well. They even indexed a kids' magazine because it contained screenshots of a rap video promoting SM. (link) @Hamird: Translating from the article sourced in the news post: The 36-page statement of reasons states: "The band spreads depictions of sado-masochistic practices and animate to unprotected sex." I think several music magazines wanted to file an application for getting the Pope's CD "Alma Mater" on the index as well as he also proclaims unprotected sex. No idea whether they actually did anything though as I haven't heard anything about those plans ever since.
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| Jon Posts: 182  |
Good point by Troy Killjoy, I'd also like to point out that the illustrious Lady Gaga's banal song 'Pokerface' refers repeatedly to her pussy and oral sex, so there really is no grounds for this to be banned. Not to mention she said the song is based on "all her past boyfriends"...an indeterminate number. Gentlemen of les discerning tastes than I. Let's face it, there's still a lot of ignorant people out there who are frightened of metal because it's not bland and insubstantial enough to have playing in restaurants, malls, teen movie soundtracks, and soap commercials, unlike the so-called 'safe' music with lyrics built around suggestions of one-night stands, drug use, more one-night stands, cheating on your boy/girlfriend, and explicit violence. Good going, censorship!
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| macraigma Posts: 52 |
Written by [user id=42186] on 14.01.2010 at 15:58 hahaha
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| fade Son of Sweden Staff Posts: 3771  |
I would understand this in the US, but Germany I am sorta surprised.
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| Darkside Momo Retired Elite Posts: 9090  |
Written by fade on 14.01.2010 at 18:42 I'm surprised you say that, censorship is hardly new in Germany. 20 years after their release, the first Cannibal Corpse albums are still censored...
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Written by macraigma on 14.01.2010 at 15:22 Triple  D
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Written by Darkside Momo on 14.01.2010 at 18:48 Yes, but compared to the US, Germany and most Europeon countries are not as strict.
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Written by fade on 14.01.2010 at 18:59 I suppose so, yes...
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Written by [user id=42186] on 14.01.2010 at 15:58 *cough* AIDS. 25,000,000 dead worldwide. i'm guessing not all are a result of bad transfusions and shared needles. i am not making any moral statements on either sex or violence here, simply pointing out what you and others have apparently missed... not sure how many people have died to gun violence over the past 30 years, but i'm willing to bet AIDS is in the same ballpark, if not ahead. And some organizations predict 80,000,000 more HIV/AIDS deaths in Africa by 2025... if this comes to pass just "a dick goin in and out of a pussy" will have killed tens of millions more people than all off the horrors of WW2. food for thought.
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