LeKiwi High Fist Prog
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"...chiropractor..."
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Absak
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Damn, he looks really sad in that picture.
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LeKiwi High Fist Prog
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Written by Absak on 10.07.2014 at 13:50
Damn, he looks really sad in that picture.
That was probably the intention...this was likely taken shortly after his visit to the chiropractor
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Maybe it's an after-effect of his fall through the scene at Hellfest ...
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Written by LeKiwi on 10.07.2014 at 13:00
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I had the exact same thought. Not surprising that his back's ruined.
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Are you guys implying the chiropractor is to blame? You do realize the article states that he visited the chiropractor after the injury, right? And that he wasn't even able to do anything for him aside from prescribing some meds?
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I think they are implying a chiropractor is useless. I guess the Two And A Half Men jokes on the subject took a toll on the image of the profession. Who else would you go to, Kiwi, if you had a back problem? A neurosurgeon wouldn't help much more than a chiropractor.
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Written by Ilham on 10.07.2014 at 17:13
I think they are implying a chiropractor is useless. I guess the Two And A Half Men jokes on the subject took a toll on the image of the profession. Who else would you go to, Kiwi, if you had a back problem? A neurosurgeon wouldn't help much more than a chiropractor.
I've never watched Two and a Half Men, but how about seeing a physiotherapist, i.e. an actual healthcare professional.
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Written by Olber on 10.07.2014 at 19:57
I've never watched Two and a Half Men, but how about seeing a physiotherapist, i.e. an actual healthcare professional.
I don't know how it goes where you live, but I've never heard of chiropractors not being qualified enough to help you with a minor back problem.
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The comments on this thread confuse me. If a chiropractor says don't play then you don't play. Simple as that. You don't take risks with your back.
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Written by Derelict Earth on 10.07.2014 at 15:33
Maybe it's an after-effect of his fall through the scene at Hellfest ...
I somehow looked away the moment he did that. At the time I thought someone had gotten up on the stage or something.
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Written by Derelict Earth on 10.07.2014 at 15:33
Maybe it's an after-effect of his fall through the scene at Hellfest ...
news said problem's older than that, but it certainly didn't help
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LeKiwi High Fist Prog
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Written by Ilham on 10.07.2014 at 17:13
I think they are implying a chiropractor is useless. I guess the Two And A Half Men jokes on the subject took a toll on the image of the profession. Who else would you go to, Kiwi, if you had a back problem? A neurosurgeon wouldn't help much more than a chiropractor.
Chiropractors aren't certified doctors - physiotherapists are.
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Written by LeKiwi on 11.07.2014 at 00:45
Chiropractors aren't certified doctors - physiotherapists are.
Doesn't mean they can't help. Nevermind.
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Written by Ilham on 11.07.2014 at 00:46
Doesn't mean they can't help. Nevermind.
Not denying that, but I've heard of more than one scenario where chiropractors have done more harm that good, and significant harm at that.
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Written by LeKiwi on 11.07.2014 at 00:48
Not denying that, but I've heard of more than one scenario where chiropractors have done more harm that good, and significant harm at that.
And I've heard about doctors that murdered their patients but I don't generalise that they're all like that. Chiropractors are trained professionals.
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Written by LeKiwi on 11.07.2014 at 00:48
Not denying that, but I've heard of more than one scenario where chiropractors have done more harm that good, and significant harm at that.
[Platitude about bad examples in every profession].
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Written by [user id=4365] on 11.07.2014 at 00:49
And I've heard about doctors that murdered their patients but I don't generalise that they're all like that. Chiropractors are trained professionals.
Trained in what exactly? A profession that has unproven benefits?
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Written by LeKiwi on 11.07.2014 at 00:53
Trained in what exactly? A profession that has unproven benefits?
I'm not a chiropractor. I don't know what the training is other than it takes 4 years to become one. I don't question my doctor on his training just because I don't know what his training entails. What are you basing the idea that the benefits are unproven on?
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Written by [user id=4365] on 11.07.2014 at 00:57
I'm not a chiropractor. I don't know what the training is other than it takes 4 years to become one. I don't question my doctor on his training just because I don't know what his training entails. What are you basing the idea that the benefits are unproven on?
I have numerous acquaintances who are certified doctors and it's well-known amongst the medical community that chiropractic isn't recognised as legitimate treatment for any sort of condition and is in fact frowned upon. The only reason the "profession" persists is because people ignorant on the matter buy into it.
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I can't form sentences right now, I'm drunk...you get the message I hope.
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Written by LeKiwi on 11.07.2014 at 01:03
I have numerous acquaintances who are certified doctors and it's well-known amongst the medical community that chiropractic isn't recognised - and is in fact frowned upon- as legitimate treatment for any sort of condition. The only reason it exists is because people ignorant on the matter buy into it.
Well I seem to have misunderstood its general standing in medicine; I thought it was a general term for someone who specialises in back and spine treatment which doesn't seem to be the case, however after having a brief look, mostly at the NHS website, it seems that it's a relatively accepted form of complementary treatment that is sanctioned in the UK. It doesn't sound quite as bad as you're painting it really. The fact it's available on the NHS (in a limited fashion) and homoeopathy isn't tends to separate the two a little.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 11.07.2014 at 01:08
Well I seem to have misunderstood its general standing in medicine; I thought it was a general term for someone who specialises in back and spine treatment which doesn't seem to be the case, however after having a brief look, mostly at the NHS website, it seems that it's a relatively accepted form of complementary treatment that is sanctioned in the UK. It doesn't sound quite as bad as you're painting it really. The fact it's available on the NHS (in a limited fashion) and homoeopathy isn't tends to separate the two a little.
The chances are that it probably has some benefits, however the effectiveness and success rate remains undetermined. Regarding homeopathy, my fellow medics gave me the impression that while patient treatment isn't covered by the NHS, the organisation (or whatever you call it) still throws a hefty amount of money at the "treatment". Just have a look at this - it will probably prove more understandable than my blabbering in my current state.
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Written by LeKiwi on 11.07.2014 at 01:34
The chances are that it probably has some benefits, however the effectiveness and success rate remains undetermined. Regarding homeopathy, my fellow medics gave me the impression that while patient treatment isn't covered by the NHS, the organisation (or whatever you call it) still throws a hefty amount of money at the "treatment". Just have a look at this - it will probably prove more understandable than my blabbering in my current state.
Apparently it has benefits for a very specific part of the back (can't be arsed to go back and read it) but it's not considered a treatment for some other stuff. I don't personally agree with the NHS endorsing homeopathy in any way, especially as it says right there that there's no proven benefits to it whatsoever.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 11.07.2014 at 01:39
Apparently it has benefits for a very specific part of the back (can't be arsed to go back and read it) but it's not considered a treatment for some other stuff. I don't personally agree with the NHS endorsing homeopathy in any way, especially as it says right there that there's no proven benefits to it whatsoever.
I've even consulted a chiropractor at one point, heeding my parents' advice...I was young and desperate to fix my shoulder. Didn't help, but then again any treatment tends to leave out a few people. Physiotherapy proved pretty effective (I was going to say as an alternative, but I think it should be the primary). As for homeopathy, I completely agree - it's pretty sad that tax money is wasted on it.
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There's no "alternative medicine" - only medicine that works and medicine that doesn't. Any treatment that hasn't been proven to be effective in a placebo-controlled, methodologically sound clinical trial (i.e. most alternative health care) should not be a person's first choice of professional consultation. And homeopathy? Please, you might as well try praying, or dancing naked around a bon fire and chant under the full moon.
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MelancholiaC
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Well wishes to Bjorn though - hope he has a speedy recovery! One of my top favourite vocalists
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Written by MelancholiaC on 11.07.2014 at 13:39
There's no "alternative medicine" - only medicine that works and medicine that doesn't. Any treatment that hasn't been proven to be effective in a placebo-controlled, methodologically sound clinical trial (i.e. most alternative health care) should not be a person's first choice of professional consultation. And homeopathy? Please, you might as well try praying, or dancing naked around a bon fire and chant under the full moon.
That's pretty much what I was trying to say......................
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silenius
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If you live in a country were a chiropractor doenst need to be licensed, well then maybe you should live in a fucking civililsed society.....
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
Written by silenius on 12.07.2014 at 03:06 ...maybe you should live in a fucking civililsed society.....
Because everyone has total control over where they live.
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