I remember liking the debut quite a bit. I don't remember much else though.

Written by nikarg on 21.12.2020 at 15:35

I remember liking the debut quite a bit. I don't remember much else though.

They are a bit different, sounds different. I know craig or Birgit told be about them. I need re listen them again.

Their reunion album was weak and unnecessary honestly. This band as a death metal band has always been average at best. Their best effort was their 3rd album, which is much maligned by death metal fans with monkey ears that have absolutely no taste for something that explores new territory and tries to be original yet retaining a dose of high quality. FSFTF was great because the band understood the greatness and quirkiness of Killing Joke and Prong. In fact the entire album can be considered KJ-worship with different vocals. No death metal song they've made can reach the greatness of tracks such as Last Laugh, Forgotten Days or Graceland.

Written by nikarg on 21.12.2020 at 15:35
I remember liking the debut quite a bit. I don't remember much else though.

Odium is a pretty different death metal album. Mechanical yet not industrial per se and quite groovy too. I recommend you to check it out.

Far from being a favorite band of mine but they are pretty solid.

Written by nikarg on 21.12.2020 at 15:35

I remember liking the debut quite a bit. I don't remember much else though.

What Rod said, you should revisit Odium. It's their only album that really matters and the track "Under The Surface" blows everything else they ever did (in particular the entire and pretty disgraceful Feel Sorry For The Fanatic) out of the water.

The 2015 album is not half as bad as Hyamendacil1450 would like it to be, it sounds like a pretty solid blend of Death and Asphyx.

I will check out Odium guys.

Morgoth is still on my current playlists... still since my study time. Songs like Selected Killing, Pits of Utumno, White Gallery will be on my shortlist forever. Great band, great songs and memorable part of metal music scene! It's a pity they end this great journey... I will not forget

Written by nikarg on 22.12.2020 at 23:05

I will check out Odium guys.

Yeah you should, their best album if you ask me.

Written by Starvynth on 22.12.2020 at 22:35

"Under The Surface" blows everything else they ever did

indeed - I didn't quote the rest because...

Written by Hyamendacil1450 on 22.12.2020 at 11:33

FSFTF was great because the band understood the greatness and quirkiness of Killing Joke and Prong. In fact the entire album can be considered KJ-worship with different vocals. No death metal song they've made can reach the greatness of tracks such as Last Laugh, Forgotten Days or Graceland.

I'm glad to see that someone else understands the sheer goodness of Feel Sorry For The Fanatic
Sure it ain't death metal anymore, but that certainly doesn't mean it's bad. I totally agree about the Killing Joke worship, yet with a different mood (and yes, "Last Laugh" and "Forgotten Days" are awesome songs)

Written by Starvynth on 22.12.2020 at 22:35

Written by nikarg on 21.12.2020 at 15:35

I remember liking the debut quite a bit. I don't remember much else though.

What Rod said, you should revisit Odium. It's their only album that really matters and the track "Under The Surface" blows everything else they ever did (in particular the entire and pretty disgraceful Feel Sorry For The Fanatic) out of the water.

The 2015 album is not half as bad as Hyamendacil1450 would like it to be, it sounds like a pretty solid blend of Death and Asphyx.

Ungod is a bland version of Spiritual Healing. Funny of you to mention Asphyx, which has always been a rather average DM band, despite having Drunnen in its ranks. The 2015 album was just a reheated porridge of their unexceptional death metal phase, which was painfully average even for the 90s.

FSFTF is actually their best album and their most innovative one. The reason why it is so underappreciated is because the band formed a following composed of death metal fans who had little tolerance for musical diversity and innovation to begin with. Then again, to appreciate this album you need some MQ (similar to IQ but in musical terms) and the ear to understand the greatness of Cleansing-era Prong and the metal era of Killing Joke, hands down some of the best bands of the 90s. Those content with standard, watered down death metal will not understand it.

Written by Darkside Momo on 24.12.2020 at 01:11

Written by Hyamendacil1450 on 22.12.2020 at 11:33

FSFTF was great because the band understood the greatness and quirkiness of Killing Joke and Prong. In fact the entire album can be considered KJ-worship with different vocals. No death metal song they've made can reach the greatness of tracks such as Last Laugh, Forgotten Days or Graceland.

I'm glad to see that someone else understands the sheer goodness of Feel Sorry For The Fanatic
Sure it ain't death metal anymore, but that certainly doesn't mean it's bad. I totally agree about the Killing Joke worship, yet with a different mood (and yes, "Last Laugh" and "Forgotten Days" are awesome songs)

Happy to see someone else who doesn't have monkey ears and does not succumb to the general view related to certain albums. I don't have a problem with death metal in general, I have a problem with those discarding good albums just because a death metal band chose a different musical approach (which doesn't suck). Morgoth was clearly better at making psychedelic/alternative metal than death metal, where they were just followers. Their death metal was a death metal worship phase that brought almost nothing of quality and innovation to a genre that was already showing signs of staleness by the mid 90s. FSFTF felt like a breath of fresh air. And the album sound good and fresh even today, 25 years after it was made.

That's kinda the case with a lot of bands, starting out in a genre, branching out of it, those being the worst rated, and being lauded as a return to form when sticking back to it, and playing it pretty safe since. Happened with a shitload of thrash, death and goth metal bands. The best ones are the ones that never went back.

Written by Hyamendacil1450 on 26.12.2020 at 14:26

Funny of you to mention Asphyx, which has always been a rather average DM band, despite having Drunnen in its ranks. [...]
Then again, to appreciate this album you need some MQ (similar to IQ but in musical terms) and the ear to understand the greatness of Cleansing-era Prong and the metal era of Killing Joke, hands down some of the best bands of the 90s.

Funny of you to mention Prong and Killing Joke, two bands that self-acclaimed music experts (yeah, those who have been force-fed with "MQ" since their earliest childhood, but with a shovel rather than a spoon) have always been praising as the true innovative forces in industrial metal, a genre that I wholeheartedly abhor, with just a handful of exceptions given.
It simply shows that we neither share the same musical background nor the same preferences.

I can respect and appreciate differing views (cheers, Momo!), after all the exchange of opinions is the main purpose of every forum.
You are even entitled to reach for pseudo-intellectual arguments in order to support your views, but as long as you are praising your own superior musical intelligence quotient, you're just making a fool of yourself. There's no universal world formula that separates good from bad music, it comes always down to individual taste. But the definitiveness of most of your statements implies that you still have to learn this and that there's much more out there than your personal perceptual filters can accept.

Written by Starvynth on 26.12.2020 at 20:24

Funny of you to mention Prong and Killing Joke, two bands that self-acclaimed music experts (yeah, those who have been force-fed with "MQ" since their earliest childhood, but with a shovel rather than a spoon) have always been praising as the true innovative forces in industrial metal, a genre that I wholeheartedly abhor, with just a handful of exceptions given.
It simply shows that we neither share the same musical background nor the same preferences.

I can respect and appreciate differing views (cheers, Momo!), after all the exchange of opinions is the main purpose of every forum.
You are even entitled to reach for pseudo-intellectual arguments in order to support your views, but as long as you are praising your own superior musical intelligence quotient, you're just making a fool of yourself. There's no universal world formula that separates good from bad music, it comes always down to individual taste. But the definitiveness of most of your statements implies that you still have to learn this and that there's much more out there than your personal perceptual filters can accept.

I don't bother with music experts. Most of the so called music experts have monkey ears and they rate stuff according to their success and notoriety, rather than quality. Prong and KJ are not that successful, nor notorious outside of a niche of metal music.

You miss out a lot of good music if you abhor industrial, one of the most dynamic, innovative and noteworthy genres the past 2-3 decades. I have genres that I despise too, but I am not so blind and musically illiterate to reject good music because it is confined into a genre that generally sucks big ass.

Musical intelligence quotient, same as IQ is a thing, and a real one. And there is shit music and exceptional music. Otherwise we would have only good music which is liked and disliked according to tastes. I don't buy that bullshit. Music is a form of art as well as any other art form and it has its high quality and cesspool too. Like in paintings, you can't compare Rembrandt's paintings with someone that just splashes paint on board and presents that as some form of artistic expression.

I still have to learn of course. As long as we live we learn. What I don't want to learn is how to lower my standards. Or switch good ears with bad ears. I'd rather go deaf than do that.