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15.05.2009 - 19:29Rating: 9
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Written by Dane Train on 15.05.2009 at 19:10
As of right now, this is my album of 2009. I just can't seem to get enough of it. I really have not had an album hook me in like this in a decade!
This album just keeps sounding more and more promising. I couldn't take it, so I ordered the digipak online haha, but now I have to wait 1-2 weeks, I don't know if I can take it!
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16.05.2009 - 06:28Rating: 8
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Full lyrics and a rough translation of the French available here:
http://lyricwiki.org/Kalisia:Cybion
Sectioned lyrics available here:
http://lyricwiki.org/Kalisia
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.05.2009 at 21:17
Written by Fat & Sassy! on 12.05.2009 at 21:14
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.05.2009 at 21:06
Written by Fat & Sassy! on 12.05.2009 at 20:58
What the fuck? They covered A Fortune In Lies? Odd choice...
Why would that be an odd choice?
I've always viewed that album as a kind of out-of-place album for Dream Theater. Beside Ytse Jam, I don't really think of any of the tracks as "classic" DT songs. Land.
This must clearly be a generational thing because I (and laods of friends of mine) actually consider this album and Awak and Images & Words as the epitome of classical DT and the stuff after that as a watered down derivative of those first three albums.
Just to start the off-topicness again, I discovered DT in 1995 with Awake, and even if I don't like everything they did after this great album, not all of it is a 'watered down derivative' as you say. Metropolis 2, while not especially original music-wise, is just awesome, and Six Degrees is pretty original. After that, of course... (yes they moved forward... by copying Muse)
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18.05.2009 - 17:24Rating: 5
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What a bland pretentious uninspired wankfest these guys managed to put out. Most overrated 2009 album?
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Written by Elio on 18.05.2009 at 17:24
What a bland pretentious uninspired wankfest these guys managed to put out. Most overrated 2009 album?
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I listened to it and I agree 100% with you.
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18.05.2009 - 18:18Rating: 6
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 18.05.2009 at 17:27
Written by Elio on 18.05.2009 at 17:24
What a bland pretentious uninspired wankfest these guys managed to put out. Most overrated 2009 album?
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I listened to it and I agree 100% with you.
And I'm with you two.
In fact with such reviews I expected something as amazing as what Ayreon had done with Human Equation or something like that.. But really it isn't. It more sounds like an Ayreon-fans-try-to-make-something-similar-lyrically-and-something-like-edge-of-sanity-musically.
At least for me. It's an average album. Especially when you have Orphaned Land and Pain of Salvation this year, this album wouldn't be the most amazing..
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Well, I decided to give the album a listen to see what all the fuss was about.
I'm really surprised that so many people have rated this so high, ok, if you are obsessive over progressive music then it'll probably tickle your tastebuds, but otherwise I tend to agree with what has just been written here.
An overly long album that goes completely over the top of your head. Excusing the language, "wankfest" seems to describe this album pretty well.
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21.05.2009 - 22:40Rating: 8
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Written by Elio on 18.05.2009 at 17:24
What a bland pretentious uninspired wankfest these guys managed to put out. Most overrated 2009 album?
You can send the hate replies through PM too 
I don't really find this album uninspiring. I find it really intense and sorta-magical, mostly due to how the keyboardist creatively layers the songs in an over-the-top yet intelligent manner. Maybe my wild imagination helps me like this better than a lot of people will, but I get lost in the aesthetics that this album creates just as much as I do with the Ayreon albums.
And maybe I have the wrong idea of what the term "wankfest" means, but I look at the word as a kind of, "Hey, look what I can do!" kinda thing. I think that a lot of the time this album is way, WAY too layered for me to notice anything besides the overall sound the musicians are producing. But hey... That's just what I think...
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21.05.2009 - 23:01Rating: 5
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Written by Fat & Sassy! on 21.05.2009 at 22:40
Written by Elio on 18.05.2009 at 17:24
What a bland pretentious uninspired wankfest these guys managed to put out. Most overrated 2009 album?
You can send the hate replies through PM too 
I don't really find this album uninspiring. I find it really intense and sorta-magical, mostly due to how the keyboardist creatively layers the songs in an over-the-top yet intelligent manner. Maybe my wild imagination helps me like this better than a lot of people will, but I get lost in the aesthetics that this album creates just as much as I do with the Ayreon albums.
And maybe I have the wrong idea of what the term "wankfest" means, but I look at the word as a kind of, "Hey, look what I can do!" kinda thing. I think that a lot of the time this album is way, WAY too layered for me to notice anything besides the overall sound the musicians are producing. But hey... That's just what I think...
I like prog-rock and some prog metal myself so I like some wanking but this goes just way over the top without being incisive. Considering that there are also other things that I find wrong here (vocals, for example), you can understand (I hope) why I don't like this.
And as you said, these are my two cents too..
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21.05.2009 - 23:18Rating: 8
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Written by Elio on 21.05.2009 at 23:01
Written by Fat & Sassy! on 21.05.2009 at 22:40
I don't really find this album uninspiring. I find it really intense and sorta-magical, mostly due to how the keyboardist creatively layers the songs in an over-the-top yet intelligent manner. Maybe my wild imagination helps me like this better than a lot of people will, but I get lost in the aesthetics that this album creates just as much as I do with the Ayreon albums.
And maybe I have the wrong idea of what the term "wankfest" means, but I look at the word as a kind of, "Hey, look what I can do!" kinda thing. I think that a lot of the time this album is way, WAY too layered for me to notice anything besides the overall sound the musicians are producing. But hey... That's just what I think...
I like prog-rock and some prog metal myself so I like some wanking but this goes just way over the top without being incisive. Considering that there are also other things that I find wrong here (vocals, for example), you can understand (I hope) why I don't like this.
And as you said, these are my two cents too.. 
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of wanking... Well, in music at least  ... To me, I consider something wankery in music if the music lacks any kind of personality, charm, or soul. You know... Like if someone came up to you and was like, "Guess what?! My dick is bigger than yours." And you're like, "Wow. What an empty, soulless douche bag." This is why I dismiss most bands that consider themselves Technical Metal or Math Metal. It intentionally lacks any sort of substance. But that's just my perspective on things, and I don't find any of this on the album.
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22.05.2009 - 14:12Rating: 7
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Now that I have given this album a proper listen, I think I will have to side with those who don't really like it. There are some enjoyable moments on it, but overall it's nothing special. However, I don't see any wankery or even complexity here; Cybion is just a combination of many genres, but there is nothing overtechnical.
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23.05.2009 - 14:14Rating: 9
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I agree with those last two comments and I can understand those who don't like it. As I wrote in the review, some people are bound not to like it although I might have failed to target all the kinds of people concerned.
Anyway, as Fat & Sassy! and K?ulu said, this is not a wankfest at all. There would be a need to define wankery as opposed to shredding, but then again I don't think Cybion is any of both. It's not pretentious either, I'd rather say it's an ambitious work and somehow I can't help thinking that, had it been released a few years ago (I mean, when it was actually finished, as explained in the interview), there would have been even less criticism or unnecessary comparisons.
But overall I must say I'm glad of the overall feedback over this album
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24.05.2009 - 17:49Rating: 8
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Written by wrathchild on 23.05.2009 at 14:14
I agree with those last two comments and I can understand those who don't like it. As I wrote in the review, some people are bound not to like it although I might have failed to target all the kinds of people concerned.
Anyway, as Fat & Sassy! and K?ulu said, this is not a wankfest at all. There would be a need to define wankery as opposed to shredding, but then again I don't think Cybion is any of both. It's not pretentious either, I'd rather say it's an ambitious work and somehow I can't help thinking that, had it been released a few years ago (I mean, when it was actually finished, as explained in the interview), there would have been even less criticism or unnecessary comparisons.
But overall I must say I'm glad of the overall feedback over this album 
I enjoyed your review.
People are just getting cut because this cross-genre prog release is better than most of the other discs so far this year, with the exception of a couple.
This year i've noticed quite a few different releases have included the 'typical' progressive metal sounding riffs. Maybe this is coming into vogue?
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30.05.2009 - 22:42Rating: 8
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A first it really wasn't for me. I mainly downloaded it because it's on top of the MS charts and this review made me curious. After listening to it for two times (actually three, but one was interrupted and later resumed) it didn't give me much. But then I gave it yet another go, this time following the lyrics and trying to comprehend the story. Well, my copy was in the mail today 
Everything I didn't like at first like the sheer randomness of musical elements and styles and the overabuse of keyboards and other instruments (saxophones? c'mon!) suddenly sank perfectly into the story and started to deliver the exact right feeling to all the scenes and dialogs. Now the saxophone is the organic link between Keiji and Stephanie when they first discuss their differences and the keyboard-techno is the sound of the circle of immortals who are kept alive by anorganic components. It just fits.
Musically I do agree with what's already been said, it's nothing overly special in terms of progressive metal. But if that's the only criteria by which you look at this work you miss a great deal of what's beyond the actual music. I'm certainly glad I gave it a third chance and now that I finally have the CD, I'm also very impressed by the work they did with the packaging. Just feels special. Me likes
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01.06.2009 - 17:00Rating: 9
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I have a album with this title from this band.but its tracklist is different and is:
1. Introduction / Domination
2. Reception / Translation
3. Union / Construction
4. Declaration / Revolution
5. Division / Integration
6. Fusion / Rebellion
7. Violation / Condemnation
8. Education / Deification
9. Isolation / Liberation
10. Destination / Alteration
11. Damnation / Seclusion
12. Illusion / Desperation
13. Resolution / Protection
14. Reconstruction / Intrusion
15. Confrontation / Communication
16. Activation / Production
17. Confusion / Resurrection
18. Realisation / Penetration
19. Disconnection / Comprehension
20. Salvation / Connection
gimmi some hand.are these two the same or not?
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01.06.2009 - 17:23Rating: 9
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Written by In Bone Factory on 01.06.2009 at 17:00
I have a album with this title from this band.but its tracklist is different and is:
1. Introduction / Domination
2. Reception / Translation
3. Union / Construction
4. Declaration / Revolution
5. Division / Integration
6. Fusion / Rebellion
7. Violation / Condemnation
8. Education / Deification
9. Isolation / Liberation
10. Destination / Alteration
11. Damnation / Seclusion
12. Illusion / Desperation
13. Resolution / Protection
14. Reconstruction / Intrusion
15. Confrontation / Communication
16. Activation / Production
17. Confusion / Resurrection
18. Realisation / Penetration
19. Disconnection / Comprehension
20. Salvation / Connection
gimmi some hand.are these two the same or not?
Yes, every song is "subtitled" with 2 words (or keywords) ending in "ion". I've edited our tracklist so now it should be totally complete. I don't know how the titles come up in the official download.
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01.06.2009 - 19:01Rating: 5
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Yeah, I had those track names too, I was just like wtf
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01.06.2009 - 21:25Rating: 9
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Written by wrathchild on 01.06.2009 at 17:23
Written by In Bone Factory on 01.06.2009 at 17:00
I have a album with this title from this band.but its tracklist is different and is:
1. Introduction / Domination
2. Reception / Translation
3. Union / Construction
4. Declaration / Revolution
5. Division / Integration
6. Fusion / Rebellion
7. Violation / Condemnation
8. Education / Deification
9. Isolation / Liberation
10. Destination / Alteration
11. Damnation / Seclusion
12. Illusion / Desperation
13. Resolution / Protection
14. Reconstruction / Intrusion
15. Confrontation / Communication
16. Activation / Production
17. Confusion / Resurrection
18. Realisation / Penetration
19. Disconnection / Comprehension
20. Salvation / Connection
gimmi some hand.are these two the same or not?
Yes, every song is "subtitled" with 2 words (or keywords) ending in "ion". I've edited our tracklist so now it should be totally complete. I don't know how the titles come up in the official download.
thanks
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This is a good album? anyone can tell?
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18.06.2009 - 22:18Rating: 9
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If this album doesn't win at least the best debut album this year I will personally set something important on fire. Like Estonia or something. Something really stupidly godly would have to come out of the blue to actually topple this from that category.
Not sure about the Prog category, since Orphaned Land and hopefully Pain of Salvation are getting new albums out, but definitely a good contender as well.
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This product realy suprised my not that good taste for progressive metal. It's very original and diversitiy staff, which I haven't heard quite a long time.
Very good release, rating somewhere in the top of this year released albums.
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Written by Dologan on 18.06.2009 at 22:18
If this album doesn't win at least the best debut album this year I will personally set something important on fire. Like Estonia or something.
And I will be joining you for sure if it happens.
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This thing is totally overrated. But a lot of people already did a lot of discussing about that, so I won't go into detail here. I'd give it a 6/10 at best.
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06.07.2009 - 17:55Rating: 6
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Ok.... I still haven't heard this, but ever since the review was published, the album title makes me think of the vibrating dildo/horse machine used in some porn. I think it's spelled sibion or something....
I'm just saying lol
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07.07.2009 - 22:34Rating: 7
The album has some great moments, but seriously, 70+ minutes? No wonder a big part of it is just generic wankery. Still, my #5 or 6 this year so far.
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12.07.2009 - 11:18Rating: 8
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I really don't think the album is that good, it gets boring actually. But, having said that, it has shining moments, more towards the end. I gave it an 8 but if I were to consider how I don't like the Children of Bodom type of vocals that would be a 7. I do like the whispering and the female vocals a lot more.
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12.07.2009 - 21:34Rating: 7
Ok, it's listenable, but it actually has no sense and it's way to long. Album of the year? Oh, come on
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Written by whitepawel on 12.07.2009 at 21:34
Ok, it's listenable, but it actually has no sense and it's way to long. Album of the year? Oh, come on 
Yeah it's listenable, but surely not #1 of 2009.It gets too boring sometimes
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31.07.2009 - 23:56Rating: 10
Written by Maxx666 on 12.07.2009 at 21:59
Written by whitepawel on 12.07.2009 at 21:34
Ok, it's listenable, but it actually has no sense and it's way to long. Album of the year? Oh, come on 
Yeah it's listenable, but surely not #1 of 2009.It gets too boring sometimes 
I've listened to some of the other stuff on the top album list of 2009, and this beats them all, no question.
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Written by whitepawel on 12.07.2009 at 21:34
Ok, it's listenable, but it actually has no sense and it's way to long. Album of the year? Oh, come on 
it has no sense?! oh my...
it's way too long?! oh my again...
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