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I voted Operation: Mindcrime. I love both Dream Theater and Queensryche, and Dream Theater's my favorite band, but I think that out of those two Queensryche was more influential earlier.
Now Dream Theater is the "standard" of the genre.
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IronBlackZepp
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Operation: Mindcrime is often called the first prog metal album. True or not, it is probably the most influential.
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Introspekrieg Totemic Lust ElitePosts: 2749 |
I have to agree with Rush - Moving Pictures... while pinning the metal label on them is not the obvious choice, the music was heavy enough to be close. I would say it's a safe bet that most progressive metal drummers would list Neil Peart as an influence. Cliff Burton and Steve Harris were inspired by the playing of Geddy Lee, so I'm sure there were others in the metal scene inspired but who looked to develop progressive metal. Looking at a song like YYZ, you can see how profound an influence it had in Dream Theater's Ytse Jam years later. Operation: Mindcrime would be my next choice, it only loses out due to it's later place in the chronology.
Rush - YYZ
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Metal_4Ever
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Definitely Images And Words.
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Ankläger
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Black Sabbath. Seriously. It's metal, and at the time it was sure-as-hell progressive (progress from blues and rock to metal)
But, of the choices, I would go with Images and Words, because it seems that most of the prog bands I hear these days are just DT ripoffs.
(Not going to vote though, 'cause I haven't listened to any of the albums)
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Written by IronBlackZepp on 05.02.2009 at 20:15
Operation: Mindcrime is often called the first prog metal album. True or not, it is probably the most influential.
Hmm... most of the individual songs are too simplistic in their structure to be classed as actual prog, but if you listen to "Pull Me Under", (the song that catapulted Dream Theater to stardom) the similarity between the main parts of that song and "The Mission" is startling! lol So while Mindcrime's status as a prog album is very debateable, it was without doubt a huge influence on the genre of prog metal.
I'd also agree about Rush! While again, calling them "metal" is very debateable, I'd say "2112" definitely has metal elements, and the title track itself is very metallic. (Especially the "Temples Of Syrinx" section is pure metal) It could just be the very first prog metal epic, and I'd say Rush were a massive influence on prog metal. Even though calling them "metal" is a stretch.
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What about Crimson Glory's Transcendence, its not as progressive as Awaken the Guardian, but if Operation Mindcrime is called Prog, Crimson Glory is it defenitily too.
Other band would be Viovod.
Awaken the Guardian or Transcendence ?
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Written by [user id=34558] on 11.12.2011 at 18:10
What about Crimson Glory's Transcendence, its not as progressive as Awaken the Guardian, but if Operation Mindcrime is called Prog, Crimson Glory is it defenitily too.
Other band would be Viovod.
Awaken the Guardian or Transcendence ?
Crimson Glory, I think, were too invisible to make an impact. Voivod came a little after the whole Progressive impact. And I've never seen any impact made by Fates Warning, and even so I expect it to be done by something like Parallels or Perfect Symmetry. All this is probably wrong, though, since I don't listen to too much progressive.
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While Images and Words basically set the standard for today's prog metal, I voted for Operation Mindcrime, since it did come out four years before Images and Words, and is cited by many of today's prog metal artists as highly inspirational for the music they make.
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Images And Words is a great album.
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Operation: Mindcrime is a brilliant concept album, I think many prog metal artists look to this album for inspiration whenever tackling with a more political/social conceptual release.
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I voted Operation: Mindcrime, but perhaps Watchtower - Energetic Disassembly could be considered more influential.
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Aristarchos
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Not surprised King's X haven't got any vote, although I like that album. Not sure if that one qualifies as metal.
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helofloki
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I love queensryche, Operation: MIndcrime is one of my favorite albums. But if you look at the progression of prog metal, the queensryche sound is not really what you're going to hear.
Really it's not even close, Fates Warning is by far the most influential early progressive metal band. Albums like 'The Spectre Within' and 'Awaken the Guardian' can be heard all over Dream Theater's music. It's also important to note that Images and Words came 6 years after 'Awaken the Guardian'. Makes me want to go back and listen to those albums, man do I love early Fates Warning...
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diamondblack
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I think "Operation : Mindcrime" is probably it, but definitely can't disregard "Images and Words" that influenced many Prog metal bands up till now. "Images and Words" is more complex musically with amazing time signatures.
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Written by helofloki on 20.03.2013 at 01:14
I love queensryche, Operation: MIndcrime is one of my favorite albums. But if you look at the progression of prog metal, the queensryche sound is not really what you're going to hear.
Really it's not even close, Fates Warning is by far the most influential early progressive metal band. Albums like 'The Spectre Within' and 'Awaken the Guardian' can be heard all over Dream Theater's music. It's also important to note that Images and Words came 6 years after 'Awaken the Guardian'. Makes me want to go back and listen to those albums, man do I love early Fates Warning...
Fates Warning didn't become full progressive until Perfect Symmetry, the same year as When Dream And Day Unite was released. Besides Watchtower's Energetic Disassembly was released one year earlier than Awaken The Guardian, although it had a different sound, but influential for the more extreme prog bands. Also Dream theater has mentioned Watchtower as an influence.
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helofloki
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I forgot watchtower. They should be on this list. Good call.
For Fates Warning, it doesn't matter that it wasn't 'full progressive'. It was the stuff on spectre within and awaken the guardian that inspired other bands to go even more progressive. And we are talking about influence right? When fates warning did go full progressive it was almost like they were following after something they inspired.
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Written by Jtbmetal123 on 10.04.2013 at 16:58
Rush
indeed, they are way more influential than anyone else when it comes to progressive metal.
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 10.04.2013 at 17:08
Written by Jtbmetal123 on 10.04.2013 at 16:58
Rush
indeed, they are way more influential than anyone else when it comes to progressive metal.
I think they are awesome! You cant get much better than Rush when it comes to Progressive metal.
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Aristarchos
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I agree they are the most influential band for prog metal, but I wouldn't call them metal.
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The only thing I can say is that Operation: Mindcrime>Images and Words.
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Yossarian
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I made a mistake. I wanted to vote for Dream Theatre and voted for Queensrysychichiririles. The poll is for influential and "images" is more influential, though I liked "operation" more.
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Written by IronBlackZepp on 05.02.2009 at 20:15
Operation: Mindcrime is often called the first prog metal album. True or not, it is probably the most influential.
The early works of Queensryche were already Prog. Metal...
Don't forget about the influences of the old Prog. Rock bands like Rush, a band that was influencing for the entire scène
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