Written by Fat & Sassy! on 18.12.2008 at 22:21

Written by X-Ray Rod on 23.11.2008 at 22:06

From the start I thought that Opeth could be the best choice, I still do... But now that I think about what you wrote I agree. Iron Maiden is just fucking huge and people that don't even listen to metal can enjoy them. I just can't see that with Opeth or ANY other band.

I can't see Opeth really ever becoming anything close to what Iron Maiden is here in the states. Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath are the ONLY metal bands that I have ever seen any of my non-metal friends really get into. Opeth simply has no appeal to most people. Their songs are 5 hours long, and kind of seem to focus on ambiance more than anything sometimes. I can't say that there are any riffs that are infectiously catchy in Opeth's music. Plus, they are death metal. Death and prog metal is very niche genre to most people over here. Unless Opeth releases an album full of the SINGLE version of Burden... I can't see them getting big in the states...

Maiden is to metal what Zeppelin is to hard rock.

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... Now read more carefully... I never said that they were a good option and I even put why.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 18.12.2008 at 22:37

Written by Fat & Sassy! on 18.12.2008 at 22:21

Written by X-Ray Rod on 23.11.2008 at 22:06

From the start I thought that Opeth could be the best choice, I still do... But now that I think about what you wrote I agree. Iron Maiden is just fucking huge and people that don't even listen to metal can enjoy them. I just can't see that with Opeth or ANY other band.

I can't see Opeth really ever becoming anything close to what Iron Maiden is here in the states. Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath are the ONLY metal bands that I have ever seen any of my non-metal friends really get into. Opeth simply has no appeal to most people. Their songs are 5 hours long, and kind of seem to focus on ambiance more than anything sometimes. I can't say that there are any riffs that are infectiously catchy in Opeth's music. Plus, they are death metal. Death and prog metal is very niche genre to most people over here. Unless Opeth releases an album full of the SINGLE version of Burden... I can't see them getting big in the states...

Maiden is to metal what Zeppelin is to hard rock.

blablabla
... Now read more carefully... I never said that they were a good option and I even put why.

Sorry, I just quoted your post in agreement, sir. My apologies for the confusion.

Written by Fat & Sassy! on 18.12.2008 at 22:47

Sorry, I just quoted your post in agreement, sir. My apologies for the confusion.

Not problem at all.. I'm sorry if My comment was aggresive :p

Written by X-Ray Rod on 18.12.2008 at 22:49

Written by Fat & Sassy! on 18.12.2008 at 22:47

Sorry, I just quoted your post in agreement, sir. My apologies for the confusion.

Not problem at all.. I'm sorry if My comment was aggresive :p

It's all good.

After reading the whole post, listen to almost every bands cited here and took a close look at their history, and compare that to IM, my opinion is that there will not have any new IM.

"The closest band is maybe Nightwish ..." but no

I discover IM in 1985 with Live after death, Sell out crowds all over the world. So we're speaking of something that appended 25 years ago. Guess what they did last year, the same with even more success.

Pink Floyds did It, Led Zep did it, I don't see any actual band capable of doing that.

If anyone would do it, Dream Theater is my favorite. Wait and see

Written by [user id=2084] on 06.11.2008 at 01:28

Nightwish to me is metal enough and when I saw them in Montreal they attracted a lot of metalheads over the age of 16 that's for sure...I guess that's because Montreal knows what metal is

Heavy metal is based on a very loose blueprint these days and employs many ecclectic influences...therefore, Nightwish is capable is being the next Iron Maiden if they wanted to...

i'm sorry, but the notion of Nightwish as the next Iron Maiden "if they wanted to" is absolutely laughable.

there is the credibility litmus test that totaliteraliter mentioned way back in the beginning of page 2. i'm pretty sure Nightwish has about zero of this with the harsher, more extreme metal scenes.

try wearing a Nightwish shirt to something like a Watain gig. let me know how that goes for you.

There will only ever be one iron maiden hehe and thats iron maiden

Dream Theater for me. You talk like this about opeth because of this website but this website isn't the whole world. Opeth is barely known in southamerican countries and is receantly starting to get known in USA. Dream Theater is huge all over the world even in countries like India and all southamerica. Their fans pretty worship the band because of their skills as musicians and among all the metalheads they are very respected.
Well thats just how I see it. Dream Theater has all their Cds in every music store I go just like Metallica, Megadeth and Ozzy Osbourne.

Written by Daggon on 20.11.2008 at 09:42

I just can think of Opeth and Dream Theater, but they would need to make an entire MTV/VH1 commercial album, I think that would be considered as a betrayal for all their fans (and no, I do not consider Damnation as a commercial album). Opeth is a little harder, I can't think of everyone digesting Mikael's growl's even if they are great they are not as commercial as clean vocals.

Metallica needs a groundbreaking album to recover all the fans lost in many years of living la vida loca, but that seems impossible.

Maybe Iron Maiden will be considered the Gods of Metal for a long long time.

I think many people didn't understand whats the topic all about. Iron Maiden didn't appear in MTV/VH1 like britney spears, they didn't do a lot of N°1 singles and are not some global personalities like Axl Rose. You just have to have a big and strong loyal fan base with a music that gets a lot of credibility like many other bands that aren't metal like Pink Floyd. So thats other point for Dream Theater.

Written by Evil Chip on 27.01.2009 at 08:37

Dream Theater for me. You talk like this about opeth because of this website but this website

The newest album got pretty high in the billboard charts, I think within the top 150 if I last recall. Thats really good for an album with death vocals, I figure they'll probably only keep going up with next albums.

Written by Doc G. on 27.01.2009 at 09:02

Written by Evil Chip on 27.01.2009 at 08:37

Dream Theater for me. You talk like this about opeth because of this website but this website

The newest album got pretty high in the billboard charts, I think within the top 150 if I last recall. Thats really good for an album with death vocals, I figure they'll probably only keep going up with next albums.

I don't know how old is Opeth. Like in early 90s? Dream Theater too and they have gain much more fans. I think Opeth will keep going up with the next albums too but it will be really hard for them catch a fan base like DT from 1 or 2 album and at that time DT will be bigger IMO.
Well but thats just my thoughts.

Written by Evil Chip on 27.01.2009 at 09:28

Written by Doc G. on 27.01.2009 at 09:02

Written by Evil Chip on 27.01.2009 at 08:37

Dream Theater for me. You talk like this about opeth because of this website but this website

The newest album got pretty high in the billboard charts, I think within the top 150 if I last recall. Thats really good for an album with death vocals, I figure they'll probably only keep going up with next albums.

I don't know how old is Opeth. Like in early 90s? Dream Theater too and they have gain much more fans. I think Opeth will keep going up with the next albums too but it will be really hard for them catch a fan base like DT from 1 or 2 album and at that time DT will be bigger IMO.
Well but thats just my thoughts.

Opeth released their first album in 1995 and Dream Theater in 1989 so that's 6 years difference which is a lot, if you ask me.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 27.01.2009 at 09:45

Opeth released their first album in 1995 and Dream Theater in 1989 so that's 6 years difference which is a lot, if you ask me.

That and I think by this time DT has hit their plateau (popularity wise), whereas I think Watershed is kind of a breakthrough album for much of the mainstream masses, which sort of began with Ghost Reveries. You can probably thank (or blame?) Roadrunner for much of this big push.

Written by Doc G. on 27.01.2009 at 09:49

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 27.01.2009 at 09:45

Opeth released their first album in 1995 and Dream Theater in 1989 so that's 6 years difference which is a lot, if you ask me.

That and I think by this time DT has hit their plateau (popularity wise), whereas I think Watershed is kind of a breakthrough album for much of the mainstream masses, which sort of began with Ghost Reveries. You can probably thank (or blame?) Roadrunner for much of this big push.

Dream Theater (I refuse to use meaningless acronyms ) are already on the decline popularity wise. They hit their peak popularity wise in 1999 with Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory and have been on the decline ever since. in 19999 they had no problem whatsoever selling out big venues within days but now they do.

I think that we are going to see less and less world-wide-omg-you'remygod-famous-tv/radio-massphenomenon bands in the following years. Fortunately music proposal has become something very wide and different from what it was in the 70s or the 80s, a lot of bands have a big following, but I don't think we will witness some other thing like Iron Maiden, or Metallica.
I'd say this is a good thing.

I don´t thing they are declining (i don't know if you refer musicaly). But in terms of popularity they are getting bigger and bigger with every album. Octavarium has been their most sold out album with images and words. Thats what i read though.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 23.11.2008 at 22:06

Written by BloodTears on 30.10.2008 at 12:19

I don't see any band with "Iron Maiden" potential to be honest. Bands with gutural voices certainly won't make it because it is not an "acceptable" musical choice outside the metal world.

From the start I thought that Opeth could be the best choice, I still do... But now that I think about what you wrote I agree. Iron Maiden is just fucking huge and people that don't even listen to metal can enjoy them. I just can't see that with Opeth or ANY other band.

Opeth? I really don't think so. Opeth just doesn't have what it takes. But, than again, I'm a hardcore Opeth hater, myself.
I think that no band will ever do what Iron Maiden did. That mix of mainstream/"tr00" metal is something that no one can stuff in like them. Part of their succes is maybe due to the fact that they have been around longer than most of the bands.

I would say the next Iron Maiden never happen again..
First of all, the band must bring something new. Iron Maiden was one of the pioneers of New Wave of British Heavy Metal. So, the next Iron Maiden must bring a new style.
Second thing that is very important is that in the time that Iron Maiden was working, the circle of Metal bands was not as big as what it is now. And in those time, Iron Maiden released an album almost every year.. But today good bands, release albums at least with one or two years gap. Then another thing is that there are so many good bands. And if one band don't release in a year, another bands replace them.. Let me explain with an example. Imagine Progressive Metal.. Orphaned Land is a great band, and Mabool is a masterpiece in my view, but at the same time Pain of Salvation release another great album. Then Orphaned Land is off. In the time they're off, Green Carnation, Ayreon, Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation and other great Progressive Metal bands release albums.. So you might totally forget about Orphaned Land... It's same in general.
And all I said, come beside a talents in composing songs and writing lyrics..
So, it's not impossible, but it's so hard. I think it's near to 0% to a next Iron Maiden show, and of course whoever they are, they need some times, maybe decades to become something like Iron Maiden..

Written by X-Ray Rod on 23.11.2008 at 22:06

Iron Maiden is just fucking huge and people that don't even listen to metal can enjoy them. I just can't see that with Opeth or ANY other band.

Written by Slayer666 on 27.01.2009 at 19:16

Opeth? I really don't think so. Opeth just doesn't have what it takes. But, than again, I'm a hardcore Opeth hater, myself.

Dude... can you please READ what I wrote?
I even explained myself why I changed my mind about the subject. Damn.. it's second time in this thread I need to explain something obvious.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 29.01.2009 at 15:23

Written by X-Ray Rod on 23.11.2008 at 22:06

Iron Maiden is just fucking huge and people that don't even listen to metal can enjoy them. I just can't see that with Opeth or ANY other band.

Written by Slayer666 on 27.01.2009 at 19:16

Opeth? I really don't think so. Opeth just doesn't have what it takes. But, than again, I'm a hardcore Opeth hater, myself.

Dude... can you please READ what I wrote?
I even explained myself why I changed my mind about the subject. Damn.. it's second time in this thread I need to explain something obvious.

There will be a third time too, I'm sure

Maybe you should stop comparing every band to Iron maiden, cz no one will make it ((do the same IM music style))..cz IM have a sound and no one can make the same, Opeth has a sound and no one will make the same, DT have a sound and no one will make the same, the worst band in the world have a sound and no one can make the same, so the question means what band will be huge...
my answer is Edguy, even though i don't like all of their works (the old stuff), but they're getting bigger, that's for sure.
Note: i do know some people who don't like IM

Written by Joker on 29.01.2009 at 17:35

Maybe you should stop comparing every band to Iron maiden, cz no one will make it ((do the same IM music style))..cz IM have a sound and no one can make the same, Opeth has a sound and no one will make the same, DT have a sound and no one will make the same, the worst band in the world have a sound and no one can make the same, so the question means what band will be huge...
my answer is Edguy, even though i don't like all of their works (the old stuff), but they're getting bigger, that's for sure.
Note: i do know some people who don't like IM

Good to see you read the first post
First of all, Iron Maiden is just an example (hence why it is in quotation marks in the title). I'm not asking which band is going to sound like Iron Maiden, and I'm perfectly aware that there are people who don't like Iron Maiden.

But, I'm feeling generous today, so I'll explain it all over again just for you! Please actually...you know..read it this time?:
Iron Maiden is an example of a band who have attained massive mainstream success, while at the same no one gets called a poser for being a fan of them. Now I'm perfectly aware the music industry has completely changed, and that there will probably be no one again who matches Iron Maidens success, but who come the closest?

Any more details should be in the first post, it would be an interesting read for you seeing as you evidently have no clue what this thread is about.

Amorphis?

Written by Doc G. on 29.01.2009 at 23:32

Iron Maiden is an example of a band who have attained massive mainstream success, while at the same no one gets called a poser for being a fan of them. Now I'm perfectly aware the music industry has completely changed, and that there will probably be no one again who matches Iron Maidens success, but who come the closest?

This is a pointless thread then.
The myriad of bands aspiring to become the one(s) your asking for should say it all.
No group will ever come close to becoming what Iron Maiden was, the very best any band can do nowadays is obtain fame and get ridiculed for it.

Iron Maiden's status (same goes for other classic bands such as Queen and Black Sabbath) will never be matched until a new form of music is discovered/invented, because that's what Iron Maiden are; inventors.

Written by [user id=37415] on 30.01.2009 at 02:39

Written by Doc G. on 29.01.2009 at 23:32

Iron Maiden is an example of a band who have attained massive mainstream success, while at the same no one gets called a poser for being a fan of them. Now I'm perfectly aware the music industry has completely changed, and that there will probably be no one again who matches Iron Maidens success, but who come the closest?

This is a pointless thread then.
The myriad of bands aspiring to become the one(s) your asking for should say it all.
No group will ever come close to becoming what Iron Maiden was, the very best any band can do nowadays is obtain fame and get ridiculed for it.

Iron Maiden's status (same goes for other classic bands such as Queen and Black Sabbath) will never be matched until a new form of music is discovered/invented, because that's what Iron Maiden are; inventors.

I think I completely agree with this. Except the part about it being a useless thread, the idea is pretty good. Iron Maiden is something that can't be repeated. Or even something that can be close to. Maiden is and, forever will be the one and only . Personally, I only like a few songs (Wrathchild, Fear of The Dark, The Trooper) but when something is classic, you can't trash it.

And like most threads that require more than 2 sentences of explaining, the original post is entirely ignored....

Knew it had to happen some time.

Written by Slayer666 on 30.01.2009 at 14:06

Written by [user id=37415] on 30.01.2009 at 02:39

Written by Doc G. on 29.01.2009 at 23:32

Iron Maiden is an example of a band who have attained massive mainstream success, while at the same no one gets called a poser for being a fan of them. Now I'm perfectly aware the music industry has completely changed, and that there will probably be no one again who matches Iron Maidens success, but who come the closest?

This is a pointless thread then.
The myriad of bands aspiring to become the one(s) your asking for should say it all.
No group will ever come close to becoming what Iron Maiden was, the very best any band can do nowadays is obtain fame and get ridiculed for it.

Iron Maiden's status (same goes for other classic bands such as Queen and Black Sabbath) will never be matched until a new form of music is discovered/invented, because that's what Iron Maiden are; inventors.

Very true...remember Iron Maiden was one of the pioneers of metal as we know it. Might as well ask "Who will paint the next Mona Lisa" - wont happen, its all relative to a certain space in time. Success-wise, and I dont mean any band will enjoy the same world-wide appeal as them, but from a commercial point of view I think every other jack and his friend listens to In Flames these days. I mean you can buy their shirts over here in SA at like "Tinkerbell-bubblegum-pink-fluffy-barbie" shops in our malls.

Let me understand the idea...
the main aim of this thread is to try to identify, who else can be both commercially successful and highly respected from old school and new wave fans?

That's a very difficult question as I think only Judas Priest shares that honor. But I think that the closest one is Slayer.

By the other hand, almost unknown in western world, but X Japan became a huge phenomenon on late 80's early 90's on Japan, they were highly influential as they sound is still copied/homaged in their homeland.

I cannot think of another one, many bands are "Commercially Succesful" but that sucess it's limited to improve artists life conditions (better houses, better cars, etc), just like a salary raise. But they haven't accumulated millions of dollars/euros of wealth, for example Helloween, Gamma Ray, Opeth, Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, etc.

Written by lolitsme on 30.01.2009 at 02:00

Amorphis?

why? this bands glory days is long gone and they never can be like IM

Honestly, there's 2 bands I would like to see up for this....

My personal hope: Skyfire. Honestly, Skyfire has some of the most unique sounds with what they play. It's catchy in thaty right way without being just awful after a few listens. They managed to have lead guitars with lead synths. They could go the way of in flames where they have a few good albums and then turn into total boring crap (sorry in flames fans but it went south at Clay Man). Then again it could also go to being something amazing. It's just a matter of people being okay with listening to gutteral vocals and not bitching about it. Maiden did it without the gutterals. Basically skyfire could do it, they just gotta get it together.

Longshot Outlook: Amorphis. They seem to be really good at keeping appeal while "morphing" from one sound to another sound. The way they write their songs is still mystifying and carries it's own way of being unique. Also they seem to be able to write music that can be played next to their older tracks in a live set. With the way this band evolves, the use of clear and gutteral vocals, the way they seem to carry, if they got more exposure they'd be able to pull it off. (Hell yeah, and Go Finland!)