Written by Vombatus on 28.04.2014 at 19:40

Not from the 80'. Must be shit.


Jokes aside, now that you mention the Meads, good old Metatron said a few words about controversial topics in metal (refering to the case of NSBM) where he pretty much nailed it:

"Without such movements the past would be inevitably forgotten and lessons from specific ages of human history lost from memory. NSBM can serve as a reminder to both sides of a very controversial coin. [...] What is important is the freedom to discus without prejudice individual views, and NSBM is a medium for a minority to express those views. It is your choice whether to listen, but to silence this view is to become the very beast you attempt to muzzle."

I never understood people that tell others what should be allowed or what is decent and acceptable, specially in something like Metal.

Good lord, I do love that man, and it's hard to disagree with him to be honest when you look at it from that perspective.

2nd wave Black metal:"Christianism sucks, let's kill the Christians! Hail Satin!"
Metalhead reaction: "Hell yeah! Fvckn trve! So hardcore!"

NSBM: "Judaism sucks, let's kill the jews! Hail Hitler!"
Metalhead reaction: "Dude... That's fucked up..."

I never understood this paradox...

Written by Karlabos on 28.04.2014 at 22:12

I never understood this paradox...

Antisemitism is based on a racial feature (inherit to the person), while christianity is only belief (personal decision). I still think it's a bit pathetic to tolerate/glorify one and not the other, though.
Also, Holocaust has caused much more impact both physically (numbers of deaths in record time) and psychologically (ww2 aftermath, shoa memory,constant homage/tribute, etc...) than any other massacre of christians.... And historically, the Church hasn't always been an example to follow (which gives the tr00 northern black metal warriors a reason to hate christianity) while jews were pretty much scape-goats forever. So yeah, I think this "paradox" you mention is quite a normal thing afterall.

Written by Karlabos on 28.04.2014 at 22:12

2nd wave Black metal:"Christianism sucks, let's kill the Christians! Hail Satin!"
Metalhead reaction: "Hell yeah! Fvckn trve! So hardcore!"

NSBM: "Judaism sucks, let's kill the jews! Hail Hitler!"
Metalhead reaction: "Dude... That's fucked up..."

I never understood this paradox...

So true.

Written by deadone on 28.04.2014 at 09:44


I don't see how it increases awareness if the lyrics glorify it as in the song above. And someone else said the song SFRJ glorifies Yugoslavia.

I haven't seen N.K.V.D being associated with NSBM or fascism but at the end, even if the band tries to glorify these subjects, the fact is that for listener , in some way, it would be easier to feel the oppressive atmosphere of dictatorial governments by this record and thus, it will gain, in an odd way, sympathy for the victims of those regimes. In the other word, the final result, regardless of the intention of the band, would not be any good for likes of Hitler.

Musically speaking, this album has have one of the greatest impacts on my musical taste. I was wandering in MS one day and saw this review of Derr and because there were a lot of advanced words which I just recently had memorized, I decided to try this. It was followed by listening to gnaw their tongues, which I again was sold on because of Derr's review. It was a little to intense for me but after one week, I finally got used to the dark thickness of this record. Then, went to blut aus nord, because I was looking for more industrial black metal.
Pretty not an standard introduction to black metal I guess, but thanks God these three bands are among my favorite bands now and I adore them.
Before this album, I enjoyed the less abrasive forms of BM, like aggaloch and enslaved, but my interest in those bands was not becasue of BM aesthetic. This was pretty much my starting point.

Written by [user id=110592] on 28.04.2014 at 23:05

Musically speaking, this album has have one of the greatest impacts on my musical taste. I was wandering in MS one day and saw this review of Derr and because there were a lot of advanced words which I just recently had memorized, I decided to try this. It was followed by listening to gnaw their tongues, which I again was sold on because of Derr's review. It was a little to intense for me but after one week, I finally got used to the dark thickness of this record. Then, went to blut aus nord, because I was looking for more industrial black metal.
Pretty not an standard introduction to black metal I guess, but thanks God these three bands are among my favorite bands now and I adore them.
Before this album, I enjoyed the less abrasive forms of BM, like aggaloch and enslaved, but my interest in those bands was not becasue of BM aesthetic. This was pretty much my starting point.

Had no idea you liked this album that much. It is an incredibly good one though and not a style and approach I've heard of quite like it anywhere else.

Way better than my first encounters with BM, mostly old Dimmu Birgir... Then again, it could have been worse. The first 3 albums are still good enough for me.

Written by [user id=4365] on 28.04.2014 at 23:16

Had no idea you liked this album that much. It is an incredibly good one though and not a style and approach I've heard of quite like it anywhere else.

This record is probably one of the top 10 most influential records of my life.
Also, unfortunately, it is true that there are not many albums similar to this. The closest thing I've heard are helel and mysticum, which are not that similar. Most of the stuff labeled as industrial black metal is too much on cyber road for me.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 28.04.2014 at 23:39

Way better than my first encounters with BM, mostly old Dimmu Birgir... Then again, it could have been worse. The first 3 albums are still good enough for me.

It was not my first encounter with BM. I loved agalloch, enslaved and primordial (just had heard one record at that time) but this was the album that made me interested in BM aesthetic. I also had checked a few BM albums of 2nd wave, which did not like at all before going for this record.

Quote:
Ask yourself how you would feel if someone was trying to make money/get famous

I wished i could pay callgirls and drugs from NKVD royalties, but it never happened

Quote:
using imagery that was used as a symbol by people who tried to kill you and your entire family.

Cancer killed a lot of people in my family, but i still enjoy listening to "Death Shall Rise" or "To the Gory End"

Written by Autokrator on 28.03.2015 at 20:08

Quote:
Ask yourself how you would feel if someone was trying to make money/get famous

I wished i could pay callgirls and drugs from NKVD royalties, but it never happened

Woah woah woah woah. Wait a minute.
Are you from NKVD too?

Awesome.


Although I gotta admit I feel a bit awkward about not actually liking the latest NKVD, I just elt the debut was so much better. Sorry brah. xD