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23.08.2010 - 23:07Rating: 8
I agree. This album is great. One of my favorite Maiden albums. The album holds such great atmosphere. It gets a lot of shit, and it kinda irritates me, but whatever. It's WAY better than Maiden's last two efforts to date; that's for sure.
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The vocals just don't do it for me. His voice is just too sloppy I find.
The music throughout the album is fantastic though.
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23.08.2010 - 23:19Rating: 6
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*bursts into tears*
I don't really see why we should consider the lower quality albums as some sort of classics.
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23.08.2010 - 23:21Rating: 8
Written by vezzy on 23.08.2010 at 23:19
*bursts into tears*
I don't really see why we should consider the lower quality albums as some sort of classics.
You can consider whatever you want to be good or not, dude. :/
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23.08.2010 - 23:26Rating: 6
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Written by Fat & Sassy! on 23.08.2010 at 23:21 You can consider whatever you want to be good or not, dude. :/
Well, sure, but it simply doesn't rank up, I think this can be agreed with, though personally I detest this album.
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23.08.2010 - 23:30Rating: 8
Written by vezzy on 23.08.2010 at 23:26
Well, sure, but it simply doesn't rank up, I think this can be agreed with, though personally I detest this album.
I think it's different, and ends the transitional movement (being No Prayer and FotD) from classic Maiden to a new sound. They've kinda kept this sound since then, and well... *I* like it. I'll always dig the classic stuff more, but I think this part of Maiden's history is worth remembering.
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23.08.2010 - 23:34Rating: 7
For the Record ,, i think Blaze vocals are really goood
a really good album, one of the most underrated albums
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23.08.2010 - 23:41Rating: 9
Written by vezzy on 23.08.2010 at 23:19
*bursts into tears*
I don't really see why we should consider the lower quality albums as some sort of classics.
I never said it was a classic album by any means. It is not. But it is extremely underrated.
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23.08.2010 - 23:45Rating: 6
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Written by Papa_Ray on 23.08.2010 at 23:41
I never said it was a classic album by any means. It is not. But it is extremely underrated.
Hm, well, 8.8 is quite a high rating by my standards.
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23.08.2010 - 23:47Rating: 6
One brilliant song, "Sign of the Cross". Two very good songs, "Edge of Darkness" and "Lord of the Flies". By far, not enough to call this album good. Going against the flow and trying to prove that it's good won't help it either.
I don't think that production and singing are the biggest flaws. they aren't. The biggest flaw is that most of the songs plainly fucking suck and bore the listener to death. 10 fucking million of bass guitar intros also don't help me appreciate this turd of a Maiden album.
Chill out, they recorded 2 even worse albums, "Fear of the Dark" and "Virtual XI"...
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24.08.2010 - 00:51Rating: 7
Written by Fat & Sassy! on 23.08.2010 at 23:07
I agree. This album is great. One of my favorite Maiden albums. The album holds such great atmosphere. It gets a lot of shit, and it kinda irritates me, but whatever. It's WAY better than Maiden's last two efforts to date; that's for sure.
I agree, I don't like Dance of Death or A Matter of Life Or Death at all!!! And the new one sounds like crap as well.
Blaze doesn't deserve the bad press, the current Maiden does!
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I always said - the only Blaze's mistake is, that he simply isn't Bruce...but the music still sounds as Iron Maiden and still is great...i dont have problems with this album
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This is one of Iron Maiden's very good albums. The atmosphere of is very dark (it was written at a time when Steve Harris had some personal prbolems; divorce, I guess) and the vocals of Blaze, being of a lower range than Bruce, suits the atmosphere. I think Bruce had with Iron Maiden at least 5 albums which are below that one (last 3, fear of the dark, and No Prayer for the Dying). This reviewer did far more justice to the album than the previous one who couldn't see the album outside Blaze-vs-Dickinson lenses. If you see it that way, you will never like it!! I think I was lucky that the first two albums I heard for Iron Maiden were those made with Blaze; so I did't have this "Blaze vocals OK but nothing near Bruce" complex. I agree that Bruce is overall much better than Blaze. But leaving that aside for a moment, this is a great album.
And "What a lot of people don't seem to realize, however, is that The X Factor breathed new life into a legendary band that had previously released two underwhelming subpar albums" very well put Mr.!
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24.08.2010 - 02:30Rating: 8
I really like this album a lot. Although Blaze really did struggle with the Bruce era material live, for this album, his voice fitted very well. A couple of boring fillers aside ("Fortunes Of War" is especially sleep inducing!), this is a very good album. xD
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24.08.2010 - 02:49Rating: 9
Written by vezzy on 23.08.2010 at 23:45
Written by Papa_Ray on 23.08.2010 at 23:41
I never said it was a classic album by any means. It is not. But it is extremely underrated.
Hm, well, 8.8 is quite a high rating by my standards.
Yeah, I guess it depends on the person. 8.8 in my mind's a very strong, stellar album. When it gets to 9.0 things start to heat up in the legendary department.
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24.08.2010 - 02:57Rating: 10
I agree. One of the best records for me. I love grave voices like Blaze Bayley or Víctor García (from Avalanch and WarCry), and Blaze in this particular album is a 10.
By the way, i recommend the last Blaze's record, "Promise And Terror", very good, wich i bought recentily (it has to come home yet =) ).
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I love the instrumentals, but Blaze's voice kills it for me. He's good, but let's face it, doesn't suit Iron Maiden.
Maybe they should redo this and Virtual XI with Bruce's voice. That would be awesome.
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Angelic Storm Melodious
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24.08.2010 - 10:24Rating: 8
Written by Papa_Ray on 24.08.2010 at 02:49 Yeah, I guess it depends on the person. 8.8 in my mind's a very strong, stellar album. When it gets to 9.0 things start to heat up in the legendary department.
For me, Id only give albums I classed as great, a 9.0. With 10's reserved only for albums Id label as classic. Anything below 9.0 has enough flaws to stop it from be a truly great album, even though it may be still be a strong album.
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24.08.2010 - 10:30Rating: 9
Written by Angelic Storm on 24.08.2010 at 10:24
Written by Papa_Ray on 24.08.2010 at 02:49 Yeah, I guess it depends on the person. 8.8 in my mind's a very strong, stellar album. When it gets to 9.0 things start to heat up in the legendary department.
For me, Id only give albums I classed as great, a 9.0. With 10's reserved only for albums Id label as classic. Anything below 9.0 has enough flaws to stop it from be a truly great album, even though it may be still be a strong album.
That's pretty much how I go about my reviews. If this album had better production I would have no problem giving it a 9.0. It is a very special record.
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24.08.2010 - 10:49Rating: 6
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Okay then... it's dark. You know, you could've used more words to describe the general tone and riffing in the music, not just the atmosphere it sets.
I'd say it's underrated for a reason. It's simply boring.
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Written by vezzy on 24.08.2010 at 10:49
Okay then... it's dark. You know, you could've used more words to describe the general tone and riffing in the music, not just the atmosphere it sets.
I'd say it's underrated for a reason. It's simply boring.
I always find it funny that people call any of Maiden's albums dark. I don't find the atmosphere to any of the Maiden albums dark at all. And if they have so-called darkness there, I would dare say that Iron Maiden and Killers are their darkest albums.
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24.08.2010 - 12:33Rating: 6
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.08.2010 at 11:18 I always find it funny that people call any of Maiden's albums dark. I don't find the atmosphere to any of the Maiden albums dark at all. And if they have so-called darkness there, I would dare say that Iron Maiden and Killers are their darkest albums.
I've always found Iron Maiden... cheery, actually.
(by the way, I didn't say I found it dark, I worded it from the perspective of the reviewer)
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Written by vezzy on 24.08.2010 at 12:33
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.08.2010 at 11:18 I always find it funny that people call any of Maiden's albums dark. I don't find the atmosphere to any of the Maiden albums dark at all. And if they have so-called darkness there, I would dare say that Iron Maiden and Killers are their darkest albums.
I've always found Iron Maiden... cheery, actually.
(by the way, I didn't say I found it dark, I worded it from the perspective of the reviewer)
I know you didn't. I was referring to the reviewer as well, and also to loads of other people.
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And YES Iron Maiden are alway cheery.
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24.08.2010 - 12:44Rating: 6
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.08.2010 at 12:37
And YES Iron Maiden are alway cheery.
The closest they've gone to "dark"... well, I haven't really listened to Maiden in some time besides The Final Frontier, but pretty sure it was "Sanctuary". And that's just an up-tempo hard rock/metal song.
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24.08.2010 - 15:13Rating: 8
Actually, I think the only problem this album has is that most songs are only partly brilliant, and when rated as a whole song, somehow don't convince. It does have some great choruses and solos, though, and even some whole tracks are decent, if a little repetitive (e.g. Sign of the Cross, Man on the Edge, 2 A.M.).
The repetition was even worse on the following album, although that, too, had its moments.
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24.08.2010 - 22:50Rating: 9
This is a different kind of dark, especially in regards to the material. The music and lyrics to this album are more introspective, from the mind of Steve Harris and his struggles with religion to the mind of soldiers. As a matter of fact, I think "Fortunes of War" and "The Aftermath" are among the more hopeless Maiden songs. Hopelessness and the feeling of being lost really fuel this album.
As for Maiden being happy all the time, I wholeheartedly disagree. There is hardly an ounce of the happiness in this disc that crippled No Prayer for the Dying and Fear of the Dark. It seemed to me like they were going out of their way to sound happy on those two albums, not to mention Bruce purposely singing rougher, which just sounded awful to me.
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24.08.2010 - 22:59Rating: 8
Written by Papa_Ray on 24.08.2010 at 22:50
This is a different kind of dark, especially in regards to the material. The music and lyrics to this album are more introspective, from the mind of Steve Harris and his struggles with religion to the mind of soldiers. As a matter of fact, I think "Fortunes of War" and "The Aftermath" are among the more hopeless Maiden songs. Hopelessness and the feeling of being lost really fuel this album.
That is very true. As for those two songs, I dont like "Fortunes Of War" at all, but I love "The Aftermath"! xD
Quote: As for Maiden being happy all the time, I wholeheartedly disagree. There is hardly an ounce of the happiness in this disc that crippled No Prayer for the Dying and Fear of the Dark. It seemed to me like they were going out of their way to sound happy on those two albums, not to mention Bruce purposely singing rougher, which just sounded awful to me.
Hmm... I dont think No Prayer... is a happy album at all. Aside from "Hooks In You" and "Tailgunner". None of the other songs are happy IMO, either in their lyrical or musical content.
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24.08.2010 - 23:05Rating: 6
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I meant how it's upbeat and cheery. "Bring Your Daughter... To The Slaughter" for example.
There is nothing actually dark about it. Not at all. Sure, the lyrics may be (never noticed they were), but that doesn't affect the instrumental.
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24.08.2010 - 23:51Rating: 8
Written by Angelic Storm on 24.08.2010 at 22:59
Hmm... I dont think No Prayer... is a happy album at all. Aside from "Hooks In You" and "Tailgunner". None of the other songs are happy IMO, either in their lyrical or musical content.
I think "uplifting" and "inspiring" may be better words. You know... Getting you in that rockin' mood or whatever. Maiden is known to be like this, even on quite a few tracks on No Prayer. The same thing can be found in The X Factor. Actually probably more-so on that one. :O
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