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Yes, the cover art is awful. She seems pretty, but that is not a good metal cover artwork.
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Good review. It's not often you see people put the feelings you have when listening to a reformed band of old and really can't decide whether you should laugh or cry. Even without listening to the album I think I can tell that for the most part I would agree. Maybe I'll be more put off by the new sound than you are. I didn't like Illumination for it, and that one was still powered by Vibeke. The thing for most of us with Tristania is the emotions that come with every mention of the name. The impact they had in their early days, the magnitude of their early creation and the steep decay afterwards. I can't let the old days behind me and listen to their recent stuff objectively. I somehow managed to do so with Ashes, which took me a while but I really like it. But with Rubicon I don't even want to try anymore.
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13.09.2010 - 16:22Rating: 6
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Songwriting, Performance and Originality are overrated in this review I think. And the average says that its has to be more than than 8 in total. Maybe it was because of cover art I dont know but all in all IMO this album doesnt deserve any compliment. If it was Lacuna Coil or Evanescence I would say its a good album not for Tristania for sure.
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13.09.2010 - 16:39Rating: 9
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Not bad. I think it exceeded my expectations.
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13.09.2010 - 17:19Rating: 8
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13.09.2010 - 18:00Rating: 8
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Written by [user id=35732] on 13.09.2010 at 17:30
I think the songwriting should be the highest grade and performance the lowest.
And what's wrong with performance? All 4 vocals are done amazing, guitars are played brilliant from acoustic to electric, than keybords and drums are in its place too.
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13.09.2010 - 18:06Rating: 10
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A very honest review. While reading this review I understand perfectly what you mean by, "writing down my thoughts was not the most pleasant experience, I was feeling more confused than confident."
I'm excited to hear this album and very much want to like it. I don't expect it to be better than any previous Tristania albums, but I expect it to be enjoyable.
Sad that Mary's voice isn't very unique. That seems to be a disturbing tread with more popular metal bands.. trading in their unique female voices for a more generic one. I guess generic ones are easier to sell to the masses, and easier to sing along with.
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13.09.2010 - 18:20Rating: 8
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Written by [user id=35732] on 13.09.2010 at 18:11
Written by annodomini on 13.09.2010 at 18:00
Written by [user id=35732] on 13.09.2010 at 17:30
I think the songwriting should be the highest grade and performance the lowest.
And what's wrong with performance? All 4 vocals are done amazing, guitars are played brilliant from acoustic to electric, than keybords and drums are in its place too.
Pretty much just the vocal performance. Vulture has the only intriguing vocals. About the new singers; the other one is boring and kinda spluttering and mariangela is just someone from the streets with voice not big enough nor unique enough.
Well then we have different ears, because what makes this album special for me is vocal lines, truly amazing.
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13.09.2010 - 19:47Rating: 6
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A very big dissapointment for me is this album. I liked all of previous ones, but this ... this is so mediocre and popsy, that it's hard to say something positive about it. The the greatest dissapointment for me is Mariangelas vocals - don't get me wrong she can sing and she does, but the voice is so generic and in some parts it can even become annoying and irritating. Not a good choice in my opinion for Tristania - great bands should have great singers. Chick looks good and sometimes creepy (Year Of The Rat video), but more important for me is the music and the voice. I don't really need Vibeke, but I kinda hoped and prayed for somebody her level who could fill her shoes (not necessary in the same singing style).
Mariangela is so much less - that is a FACT.
Look for example at Flowing Tears or The Gathering - they have decent replacements for their original singers.
Of course this album has it's moments - my favourites are "Vulture" and "Illumination", "Year Of The Rat" is good and promising at the beginning, but refrain is fuckin' annoying. "Sirens", "Protection" is at least decent, but the rest is crapppy and unemorable (it's judging from my 12 days ago listening, so it's hard to remember every song).
At first I thought - this is PURE SHIT!, then I decided that I must be wrong and forced myself to listen carefully for about 10 times, but then I quit... 
Resume - mediocre, weak, dissapointing, but bearable and in some parts even good.
Couldn't decide what vote to give "5" or "6". Gave "6" after comparing my votes for other bands. 
Still hoping for the next album to be better and capable of wearing the name - "Tristania"
Definitely the biggest letdown of this year!
P.S. - Nice review by the way!
P.P.S - Normal and decent cover art - that is the best part of this album - I liked it, if you will forgive me  !
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Good review.
i agree on the cover art, it sucks, such as Mary.
i don't like to trash on new singers, but Mary has nothing to do with the band. However, i don't believe it is her "fault" that new new album sounds much more comercial. compared to the others, Illumination was already much more mainstream, so even if Vibeke was still in the band, maybe the sound wouldn't be much more different from this Rubicon...just with a better singer.
Mary would fit Lacuna Coil, but definatly not Tristania.
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13.09.2010 - 22:12Rating: 8
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C'mon guys  Yesterday I was talking with one girl and she said the right thing "Mary's vocals sound absolutely the same as VIbeke's in Illumination" so whats the point in judging her? Her voice fits perfectly Tristania, IMO.
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14.09.2010 - 01:47Rating: 6
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Written by annodomini on 13.09.2010 at 22:12
C'mon guys Yesterday I was talking with one girl and she said the right thing "Mary's vocals sound absolutely the same as VIbeke's in Illumination" so whats the point in judging her? Her voice fits perfectly Tristania, IMO.
A bear has stepped on your ear!  (or hers)
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Mary's vocals are not bad at all, but they are generic and mediocre. She just doesn't fit with Tristania, imo. And yes, the review is very honest.
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I would have liked to review this myself but now that I've read yours, I can surely say that I couldn't have done it as good as you did. The album is good, yes... altho, now that I think, indeed, Mary's good but now they sound more like Lacuna Coil than the old Tristania... then again, we never expected Tristania to remain the same forever anyway...
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In my opinion you have been way too indulgent. This album has nothing to do with Tristania. You could say that Illumination was somewhat of a concept album. The current album has nothing of the emotion or the atmosphere that previous albums had and gothic albums have in general. I for one would not be able to say "Hey, this is Tristania" after listening half of the album.
For me Illumination will be the last album I will listen from them and this new one is the end of Tristania. They've entered a new category, easy-to-listen-for-everyone category. From this point they can only go lower imho.
You review is sincere and well written but we probably have different taste in music. My grade for this album would be somewhere between 6-6.5 at most.
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@DerRozzengarten: This is a hell of a good review, man! Congrats on the great job!
On the whole, I found "Rubicon" pretty mediocre. I expected something way more horrible, though, but it still isn't anything special. Somehow, it reminded me a lot of Sirenia's latest release, "The 13th Floor."  The compositions of "Rubicon" are repetative and nearly the same, lyrics are cliché, etc. Personally, Mary's voice has never managed to appeal on me. I simply love Vibeke and that's it! (Although I'm definitely not that biased if it comes to Mariangela.) Surprisingly, I discovered some exotic/oriental influences on the record. (Could be because of Mary herself.) I can listen to the album every once in a while but I'm pretty sure it won't grow much on me. Just facing the fact that when I started listening to the second song off the record, I immediately wanted to switch to "The 13th Floor," convinces me "Rubicon" is damn average indeed...
P.S.: Otherwise, I totally agree with johnny_ on the following thing: This is so NOT Tristania!
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27.09.2010 - 01:10Rating: 10
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Wow I finally heard this album and LOVE it!!! It's incredibly good music and well performed. I must say that I'm quite shocked. I was expecting mediocrity. This is a pleasant surprise.
Tristania's biggest problem seems that people can't appreciate their evolution. If many fans heard this album blind they would probably love it, but knowing it's Tristania means you're expecting the first two albums rehashed. This band evolves beautifully. Why is that so difficult to hear?
Also, I really dig Mary's voice. I was also expecting mediocrity here, but she definitely brings something special, a cut above many other female singers in metal today. More importantly, ALL the voices mix so well together. It doesn't feel to me like the boys are trying to "protect" her but instead that this band has great chemistry together vocally and musically.
@Elodie- this most certainly IS Tristania!! It's such a natural progression from Ashes to Illumination to Rubicon. Unless you were expecting Beyond the Veil II and I sincerely hope that NO ONE is still expecting Beyond the Veil II, ever.
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I want to like this album but it just reminds me to much of that terrible wanna be goth band that starts with an E. It's better then that but all I hear in the female vocals is E.
This is my state after hearing it twice. Maybe it will change after I listen to it more... I owe it that much judging from Lyrinan's post.
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28.09.2010 - 00:57Rating: 10
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Nah, if it's not your thing then it's not your thing. I just get pissed when people say it sucks because it's not like the old albums, or it sucks because it doesn't have Vibeke. But, yeah, if it's just not your thing then don't sweat it.
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"I just get pissed when people say it sucks because it's not like the old albums, or it sucks because it doesn't have Vibeke. But, yeah, if it's just not your thing then don't sweat it."
So do I. What I'm seeing is horrible bias, really. Bias because everybody still has their noses stuck in the "old" era, and because Mary is not Vibeke. Besides, Rubicon and Illumination in essence weren't very different at all, just the vocals.
And whoever said "Vibeke is unique in metal genre"... OH YEAH? Different from those 234234 other classically trained singers? Bitches, please. She's a great vocalist, but not very distinctive, so don't come to me with that talk.
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07.12.2010 - 06:18Rating: 7
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This album will probably always be a moderate hard one for me to form an opinion on. On simply a Tristania level, it's a letdown from Illumination, which touched me quite deeply lyrically and within its soundscapes. And also, Rubicon has the worst Tristania song yet for me, "Patriot Games."
However, Mary is a competent vocalist, though her role is less important on this album than it would have been in past releases. This disc goes from good to horrible to intriguing to downright boring from song to song to me. I love the male vocal arrangements on "Vulture," which likely will be the song I play on its own for a long while. But falling asleep mentally in songs like "Amnesia" and being disappointed with the violins makes me lean toward only a middling opinion of the album.
An interesting release for me, but not really a memorable one. I just don't feel the cohesion between the tracks that the review suggests. But I do agree that the production is not advantageous to the album many times.
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Written by corrupt on 13.09.2010 at 15:30
Good review. It's not often you see people put the feelings you have when listening to a reformed band of old and really can't decide whether you should laugh or cry. Even without listening to the album I think I can tell that for the most part I would agree. Maybe I'll be more put off by the new sound than you are. I didn't like Illumination for it, and that one was still powered by Vibeke. The thing for most of us with Tristania is the emotions that come with every mention of the name. The impact they had in their early days, the magnitude of their early creation and the steep decay afterwards. I can't let the old days behind me and listen to their recent stuff objectively. I somehow managed to do so with Ashes, which took me a while but I really like it. But with Rubicon I don't even want to try anymore.
you completely covered my thoughts
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27.12.2014 - 13:34Rating: 6
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Hmm, I thought that Magical Fix and The Emerald Piper where the most interesting songs, together with Patriot Games! Otherwise, it's a pretty bland album.
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22.02.2015 - 10:50Rating: 3
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I'm sorry but the originality and songwriting of this album are almost zero.
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