Written by KameloticA on 12.10.2011 at 21:36

Written by [user id=122056] on 07.10.2011 at 23:57

None. I don't like these bands that much, they're very overrated IMO, and I don't like thrash in general. But I'll vote for Metallica because they got me into metal.

Well, Metallica is not overrated it's the band who do great and gloried music..!!

Metallica = Overrated. End of discussion.

Written by [user id=122056] on 12.10.2011 at 21:50

Metallica = Overrated. End of discussion.

Metallica's 80s output is not.

teenyboppers who think they know everything are overrated.

End of your idiocy.

Written by BitterCOld on 12.10.2011 at 22:13

Written by [user id=122056] on 12.10.2011 at 21:50

Metallica = Overrated. End of discussion.

Metallica's 80s output is not.

teenyboppers who think they know everything are overrated.

End of your idiocy.

I was speaking of Metallica's discography as a whole. Not the 80s output only.

Written by [user id=122056] on 12.10.2011 at 22:20
I was speaking of Metallica's discography as a whole. Not the 80s output only.

But this thread is only about their 80's output... And I agree with Bitter, 80's Metallica is not overrated at all.

I guess some people just cannot keep up with the class...

Written by BitterCOld on 12.10.2011 at 22:13

Written by [user id=122056] on 12.10.2011 at 21:50

Metallica = Overrated. End of discussion.

Metallica's 80s output is not.

teenyboppers who think they know everything are overrated.

End of your idiocy.

Hehe well that's his opinion!

Written by KameloticA on 13.10.2011 at 15:53

Written by BitterCOld on 12.10.2011 at 22:13

Written by [user id=122056] on 12.10.2011 at 21:50

Metallica = Overrated. End of discussion.

Metallica's 80s output is not.

teenyboppers who think they know everything are overrated.

End of your idiocy.

Hehe well that's his opinion!

no. he even later admitted that he didn't pay attention to the thread request specific to the 80's. and you just spammed as your response had nothing to do with the thread at all...

Sometimes I wonder, how can people say metallica is overrated? Have they ever heard to live is to die, welcome home sanitarium, one, creeping death, orion, battery, whiplash ... ?

Written by SledgeVSteeth on 13.10.2011 at 21:09

Written by lisarowe on 13.10.2011 at 20:57

Sometimes I wonder, how can people say metallica is overrated? Have they ever heard to live is to die, welcome home sanitarium, one, creeping death, orion, battery, whiplash ... ?

have YOU HEARD load or reload?

and have YOU READ this thread specifically refers to 80's output?

Written by SledgeVSteeth on 13.10.2011 at 21:14

Mid 90's...close enough

no. not really.

the thread asks about a specific range. sorry that seems far too complicated for so many posters. or that so many posters cannot get the fuck over metallica's change in sound to the point they cannot comment on a specific decade of output without allowing their dislike of other decade's output to spill on over.

I gotta say Slayer on this one, their first two albums were just seriously killer and then of course we have the immortal Reign in Blood, but really all 4 bands released great stuff in the 80's. Thems was the good ol' says. Spreading the Disease, Kill 'Em All, Peace Sells, every band had stuff I really loved.

Well, in the 80's its def. metallica......too bad i was hastey with my vote and didnt read the 80's part and voted megadeth....is there a way to change your vote?

Written by BitterCOld on 13.10.2011 at 02:08

I guess some people just cannot keep up with the class...

Yep, it's just ridiculous that some people are trying to claim Metallica's 80's material is "overrated" purely on the basis of their post-1990 output... Some people clearly either can't read, or lack basic levels of understanding and comprehension...

Written by Angelic Storm on 16.10.2011 at 03:06
Yep, it's just ridiculous that some people are trying to claim Metallica's 80's material is "overrated" purely on the basis of their post-1990 output... Some people clearly either can't read, or lack basic levels of understanding and comprehension...

I consider it overrated simply due to how good people make it out to be, when I consider only their best work (Kill 'Em All) to be above par.

Of course that all comes down to opinion. I don't think thrash-era Metallica is complete shit nor do I let my opinion of their rock era factor into my opinion of their back catalog. It's just based on the praise MoP and RtL get, when I consider them to be average albums.

Although I get where you both (BitterCOld) are coming from. Some people just like to bitch because Metallica "sold out".

Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.10.2011 at 03:42

Although I get where you both (BitterCOld) are coming from. Some people just like to bitch because Metallica "sold out".

i'll cop to some bitching, but i can put it in its place.

i just find it amusing most the same people also seem to forgive megadeth for trying just as hard to sell-out, only not doing it quite as well. they can't let go of "St. Anger" but seem in denial about "Risk"...

but that's all post-80's and is, theoretically, off-topic, if not for the number of people who cannot read before responding sort of making it topic 1b.

Im not going to dismiss Metallica's massive influence or call them overrated, But ill admit after listening to 80's Metallica it wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be, I felt a little underwhelmed to be honest, Obviously those albums have massive influence and made a big impact, But I can name many thrash albums (Which are nowhere near as historically important) I enjoy over Metallica's or any of the big 4's best releases.

Regardless out of the big four I would say that Slayer was the best in the 80's, I just enjoy their material more, As I prefer my thrash to sound more extreme.

Written by @gent_-_orange on 16.10.2011 at 03:52

Im not going to dismiss Metallica's massive influence or call them overrated, But ill admit after listening to 80's Metallica it wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be, I felt a little underwhelmed to be honest.

the funny thing is for the "young 'uns" out there, it will be forever difficult to put those albums in perspective. not only was there the "sell-out" thing, there is also the fact music has gotten so much more extreme from the late 80s on that KEA/RTL/MOP are almost tame by comparison.

unless you live in a cave somewhere with only access to auto-tuned pop music before suddenly MASTER! MASTER! comes on like a bolt from the blue, that initial shock and awe factor will never be there.

thrash was the craziest, heaviest shit out there... but compared to what is out now, it IS underwhelming.

Written by BitterCOld on 16.10.2011 at 04:18

the funny thing is for the "young 'uns" out there, it will be forever difficult to put those albums in perspective.

thrash was the craziest, heaviest shit out there... but compared to what is out now, it IS underwhelming.

I agree with the first part, but not the second. While I wasn't there to experience the albums when they were first being released, and while I didn't experience the intensity of the music I have never heard before, I wouldn't say it's underwhelming due to the lack of extremity.

For instance, I still find Agent Orange, Hell Awaits, No More Color, By Inheritance, (and Kill 'Em All for that matter) to be extreme. Not in the sense that I can't bear it (as I've said before, I listen to Striborg willingly and even enjoy it), but I feel its depth and heaviness. It's no different than say, Severed Survival. Death metal has gotten incredibly ballsy and brutal (just look at Cephalotripsy and Prostitute Disfigurement and co.) but I still think SS ranks up there with the most extreme death metal albums of all time.

I think MoP and RtL are underwhelming simply because they fail to interest me, and I'm sure there's plenty of people who feel the same way (or at least similar). Who knows if my opinion would be different had I grown up when those albums were being released as opposed to listening to them for the first time like 20 years after their release.

Written by BitterCOld on 16.10.2011 at 04:18

Written by @gent_-_orange on 16.10.2011 at 03:52

Im not going to dismiss Metallica's massive influence or call them overrated, But ill admit after listening to 80's Metallica it wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be, I felt a little underwhelmed to be honest.

the funny thing is for the "young 'uns" out there, it will be forever difficult to put those albums in perspective. not only was there the "sell-out" thing, there is also the fact music has gotten so much more extreme from the late 80s on that KEA/RTL/MOP are almost tame by comparison.

unless you live in a cave somewhere with only access to auto-tuned pop music before suddenly MASTER! MASTER! comes on like a bolt from the blue, that initial shock and awe factor will never be there.

thrash was the craziest, heaviest shit out there... but compared to what is out now, it IS underwhelming.

That is a good way of explaining it. I guess I just wasn't their.

Written by BitterCOld on 16.10.2011 at 04:18
the funny thing is for the "young 'uns" out there, it will be forever difficult to put those albums in perspective. not only was there the "sell-out" thing, there is also the fact music has gotten so much more extreme from the late 80s on that KEA/RTL/MOP are almost tame by comparison.

unless you live in a cave somewhere with only access to auto-tuned pop music before suddenly MASTER! MASTER! comes on like a bolt from the blue, that initial shock and awe factor will never be there.

thrash was the craziest, heaviest shit out there... but compared to what is out now, it IS underwhelming.

I really can't agree more with what you're saying. The first Metallica album I heard was "... And Justice For All", and before that the heaviest things I'd heard was "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Megadeth, and "The Evil That Men Do" on the radio 1 chart show! And I still hadn't totally grown out of pop yet, so needless to say when I first heard the main riff of "Blackened" come bludgeoning out of my speakers, I was totally floored and in complete awe at what I was hearing. I'd never heard anything so raw and aggressive before, and it was definitely a shock for me to hear stuff like that for the first time. I felt the same way when I heard Metallica's other 80's albums shortly afterwards.

I think it is impossible for younger people to really understand what it was like for many of us the first time we heard those 80's Metallica albums. Metal has become much more extreme since then, and so most young people couldn't possibly comprehend what a jaw dropping experience it was to hear albums like RTL and "Peace Sells..." for the first time back then. When I first discovered thrash, it was a genre that terrified me and captivated me in equal measure, and those memories stay with you. I think it's very hard for young people nowadays to comprehend just what a massive impact Metallica and other bands like Slayer had on those of us who grew up on that music... no matter what Metallica have done since then, it will never erase those memories of being completely blown away by songs like "Fight Fire With Fire", "Call Of Ktulu" and "Battery" when I first heard them.

Written by Angelic Storm on 16.10.2011 at 19:54

Written by BitterCOld on 16.10.2011 at 04:18
the funny thing is for the "young 'uns" out there, it will be forever difficult to put those albums in perspective. not only was there the "sell-out" thing, there is also the fact music has gotten so much more extreme from the late 80s on that KEA/RTL/MOP are almost tame by comparison.

unless you live in a cave somewhere with only access to auto-tuned pop music before suddenly MASTER! MASTER! comes on like a bolt from the blue, that initial shock and awe factor will never be there.

thrash was the craziest, heaviest shit out there... but compared to what is out now, it IS underwhelming.

I really can't agree more with what you're saying. The first Metallica album I heard was "... And Justice For All", and before that the heaviest things I'd heard was "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Megadeth, and "The Evil That Men Do" on the radio 1 chart show! And I still hadn't totally grown out of pop yet, so needless to say when I first heard the main riff of "Blackened" come bludgeoning out of my speakers, I was totally floored and in complete awe at what I was hearing. I'd never heard anything so raw and aggressive before, and it was definitely a shock for me to hear stuff like that for the first time. I felt the same way when I heard Metallica's other 80's albums shortly afterwards.

I think it is impossible for younger people to really understand what it was like for many of us the first time we heard those 80's Metallica albums. Metal has become much more extreme since then, and so most young people couldn't possibly comprehend what a jaw dropping experience it was to hear albums like RTL and "Peace Sells..." for the first time back then. When I first discovered thrash, it was a genre that terrified me and captivated me in equal measure, and those memories stay with you. I think it's very hard for young people nowadays to comprehend just what a massive impact Metallica and other bands like Slayer had on those of us who grew up on that music... no matter what Metallica have done since then, it will never erase those memories of being completely blown away by songs like "Fight Fire With Fire", "Call Of Ktulu" and "Battery" when I first heard them.

I never liked Metallica, personnally, so I can't say I can relate to this band. I moved directly from stuff like Iron Maiden and early WASP to Slayer, Kreator, Bathory, "In Battle There Is No Law" (Bolt Thrower) and old school Death Metal. My trip towards more extreme metal has been quick and steep. But I can relate to the feelings you describe, only I experienced them through other bands.

@Bittercold: I understand very well what you're saying and I totally agree.

Written by RavenKing on 16.10.2011 at 20:43
I never liked Metallica, personnally, so I can't say I can relate to this band. I moved directly from stuff like Iron Maiden and early WASP to Slayer, Kreator, Bathory, "In Battle There Is No Law" (Bolt Thrower) and old school Death Metal. My trip towards more extreme metal has been quick and steep. But I can relate to the feelings you describe, only I experienced them through other bands.

@Bittercold: I understand very well what you're saying and I totally agree.

I think why Metallica made such a huge impact on me, was before I heard Justice... I was still mainly only into hard rock, like Guns N' Roses, Scorpions, Def Leppard, and bands like that. So that album completely caught me off guard, as it was so much more aggressive and different to anything I'd heard before. Then I heard "South Of Heaven" which terrified me, the memory of hearing that album for the first time has never left me! Not long after I got into thrash, death metal started becoming more popular, and eclipsing thrash in the metal media. The first time I heard albums like "Leprosy" by Death, and "Necroticism..." by Carcass it was like the first time I heard bands like Slayer and Metallica, it was more aggressive and heavy than anything I'd experienced before, so it took me a little while to get used to it. It's not really possible for metal to get any more extreme now, so most young people today can't really understand what it was like to experience those genres when they were still new and had set new levels of extremity in the metal world... god I sound so old! lol

I have to say Metallica, first 4 albums are GREAT and Justice is so fucking good! ...And Justice for All is the first metal album I properly listened to, it's god some skull crushing riffs.

To this day slayer is one of the most heavy and aggressive bands of all time, inspiring both the death metal and black metal genres, while metallica is the best selling band of all time, slayer is easily one of the most influential extreme metal bands of all time, i would say that only black sabbath is more influential to the genre as a whole

Written by blackelkspeaks on 18.10.2011 at 08:42
slayer is easily one of the most influential extreme metal bands of all time, i would say that only black sabbath is more influential to the genre as a whole

Bathory should be up there too. And maybe Possessed.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 18.10.2011 at 08:50

Written by blackelkspeaks on 18.10.2011 at 08:42
slayer is easily one of the most influential extreme metal bands of all time, i would say that only black sabbath is more influential to the genre as a whole

Bathory should be up there too. And maybe Possessed.

possessed is definitely mine of the most influential, but while bathory is influential, viking metal is not that big of a genre

Written by blackelkspeaks on 18.10.2011 at 08:53
but while bathory is influential, viking metal is not that big of a genre

Bathory influenced a lot more than just viking metal. Like...black metal. All of it.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 18.10.2011 at 08:56

Written by blackelkspeaks on 18.10.2011 at 08:53
but while bathory is influential, viking metal is not that big of a genre

Bathory influenced a lot more than just viking metal. Like...black metal. All of it.

well, idk about ALL of black metal, he was definitely one of the firsts, but the second wave of black metal, the norweigan bands really got the ball rolling, like mayhem and dark throne

Written by blackelkspeaks on 18.10.2011 at 08:59
well, idk about ALL of black metal, he was definitely one of the firsts, but the second wave of black metal, the norweigan bands really got the ball rolling, like mayhem and dark throne

Okay I'm operating under the assumption you don't know the history of black metal, so I'll just say those second wave black metal bands? Burzum, Mayhem, Darkthrone, Gorgoroth, Dissection, Immortal, Behemoth, Dimmu Borgir, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum... Literally all of them took influence from Bathory. Don't get me wrong, Bathory aren't the be all/end all of black metal. Possessed, Slayer, Sodom, Venom - those kind of thrash bands paved the way (not to mention stuff like Mercyful Fate).

But without Bathory, Varg doesn't discover his sound with Euronymous. Fenriz doesn't look for more extreme music. Gaahl doesn't wait 20 years before admitting he's gay and starting a clothing line. The second wave would have looked a lot different without the foundation Quorthon laid down with his material.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 18.10.2011 at 09:06

Written by blackelkspeaks on 18.10.2011 at 08:59
well, idk about ALL of black metal, he was definitely one of the firsts, but the second wave of black metal, the norweigan bands really got the ball rolling, like mayhem and dark throne

Okay I'm operating under the assumption you don't know the history of black metal, so I'll just say those second wave black metal bands? Burzum, Mayhem, Darkthrone, Gorgoroth, Dissection, Immortal, Behemoth, Dimmu Borgir, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum... Literally all of them took influence from Bathory. Don't get me wrong, Bathory aren't the be all/end all of black metal. Possessed, Slayer, Sodom, Venom - those kind of thrash bands paved the way (not to mention stuff like Mercyful Fate).

But without Bathory, Varg doesn't discover his sound with Euronymous. Fenriz doesn't look for more extreme music. Gaahl doesn't wait 20 years before admitting he's gay and starting a clothing line. The second wave would have looked a lot different without the foundation Quorthon laid down with his material.

obviously they are important, but they are not AS important as a lot of other bands, of the first wave of black metal i.e. venom or celtic frost, but the first wave of black metal was BARElY black metal, it was just crapily produced thrash metal (i am in no way saying it was bad music though)