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Written by tea[m]ster on 14.03.2012 at 22:33
I saw funeral doom for a "tag" on another website, true?
Hell no. They used to be funeral doom but this isn't. Check out their bandcamp page.
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Written by tea[m]ster on 14.03.2012 at 22:33
I saw funeral doom for a "tag" on another website, true?
their previous albums were, but apparently this one isn't. But even for funeral doom they were very light weight making Shape Of Despair sound heavy and raw.
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14.03.2012 - 22:38Rating: 7
Written by [user id=4365] on 14.03.2012 at 22:34
Hell no. They used to be funeral doom but this isn't. Check out their bandcamp page.
Whew, I was gonna say. Your review gave no indication of that. I will check this out, I am always willing to explore other musical avenues!
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Written by tea[m]ster on 14.03.2012 at 22:38
Whew, I was gonna say. Your review gave no indication of that. I will check this out, I am always willing to explore other musical avenues!
"In fact it's safe to say they've exited the realms of doom altogether"
Looks pretty clear to me =P
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14.03.2012 - 22:40Rating: 10
Written by tea[m]ster on 14.03.2012 at 22:38
Written by [user id=4365] on 14.03.2012 at 22:34
Hell no. They used to be funeral doom but this isn't. Check out their bandcamp page.
Whew, I was gonna say.
I take it you don't dig Funeral Doom too much?
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14.03.2012 - 22:44Rating: 7
Written by X-Ray Rod on 14.03.2012 at 22:40
Written by tea[m]ster on 14.03.2012 at 22:38
Written by [user id=4365] on 14.03.2012 at 22:34
Hell no. They used to be funeral doom but this isn't. Check out their bandcamp page.
Whew, I was gonna say.
I take it you don't dig Funeral Doom too much?
LOL, did I imply that in a subtle way? I didn't want to be a horses ass about it. That stuff just isn't my brand of vodka!
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14.03.2012 - 22:45Rating: 10
Written by tea[m]ster on 14.03.2012 at 22:44 LOL, did I imply that in a subtle way? I didn't want to be a horses ass about it. That stuff just isn't my brand of vodka!
I hate vodka.
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14.03.2012 - 22:46Rating: 7
Written by [user id=4365] on 14.03.2012 at 22:40
Looks pretty clear to me =P
Aside from stating the obvious, that tag I saw just didn't make sense. Oh and it's on a few other websites too...do they actually LISTEN to the music or do they use the force?
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14.03.2012 - 22:49Rating: 10
Written by tea[m]ster on 14.03.2012 at 22:46 do they actually LISTEN to the music or do they use the force?
It's the classic "the band played X before but now they play Y but I don't accept changes (even if I like it) so I'll keep calling them X" behaviour.
Pretty stupid indeed.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 14.03.2012 at 20:08
Cheers, I noticed a minute ago that you said you have a review lined up (on the album thread) so apologise if I pissed on your fire too!
Nah my review is still a work in progress for a french webzines. Actually I'm working my way to Staff reviewer over there. Don't worry guys I'll still be here.
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Written by Edmund Fogg on 14.03.2012 at 22:51
Nah my review is still a work in progress for a french webzines. Actually I'm working my way to Staff reviewer over there. Don't worry guys I'll still be here.
Ah nice. Good luck with that ;]
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Frone has a nice ring to it indeed, Lets start a trend.
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Written by Boxcar Willy on 15.03.2012 at 04:26
Lets start a trend.
Let's start a war! Start a nuclear war. At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar
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Written by [user id=4365] on 15.03.2012 at 12:56 Let's start a war! Start a nuclear war. At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar
Lyrics from Section 2?
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 15.03.2012 at 16:02
Lyrics from Section 2?
That would be awesome. I'd love to see a collaboration between Monolithe and Electric Six.
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16.03.2012 - 00:58Rating: 10
Written by [user id=4365] on 15.03.2012 at 12:56
Written by Boxcar Willy on 15.03.2012 at 04:26
Lets start a trend.
Let's start a war!
Heh, when I read this part my mind went straight to Acid Bath's "Cheap Vodka".
Let's start a riot! Let's start a war! Everybody that you know is a whore! Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it. I don't care. If there's gonna be blood, we'll be there!
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 16.03.2012 at 00:58
Heh, when I read this part my mind went straight to Acid Bath's "Cheap Vodka".
Let's start a riot! Let's start a war! Everybody that you know is a whore! Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it. I don't care. If there's gonna be blood, we'll be there!
Well I guess you win on manliness stakes. Especially if my mind goes straight to a song about a gay bar.
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I don't hear any drone (or frone) in this. I would call it apocalyptic progressive doom metal(ish)... completely different from the previous two albums.
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 16.03.2012 at 14:34
I don't hear any drone (or frone) in this. I would call it apocalyptic progressive doom metal(ish)... completely different from the previous two albums.
What kind of drone were you thinking of? You may or may not realise but "drone" isn't restricted to drone metal (and as I said in the review this is not drone metal). In fact as a concept it was around way before (even used in classical music). This isn't any form of progressive doom because there's no doom here whatsoever. If this album had no prior connection to the doom scene you or anyone else wouldn't be using words like "doom". This is a textural soundscaping exercise that isn't noise and it isn't dark ambient, it ultimately ends up more of a drone product than anything else (or some kind of experimental music if you wanted). I mean really, where the hell are the "doom" riffs? And why do you think this is "apocalyptic"? This band is themed along the lines of the human origin, if anything that's the polar opposite of apocalyptic.
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 16.03.2012 at 14:34
apocalyptic progressive doom metal...
aha a new made up term just like frone
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Written by [user id=4365] on 16.03.2012 at 14:36
Written by Merchant of Doom on 16.03.2012 at 14:34
I don't hear any drone (or frone) in this. I would call it apocalyptic progressive doom metal(ish)... completely different from the previous two albums.
What kind of drone were you thinking of? You may or may not realise but "drone" isn't restricted to drone metal (and as I said in the review this is not drone metal). In fact as a concept it was around way before (even used in classical music). This isn't any form of progressive doom because there's no doom here whatsoever. If this album had no prior connection to the doom scene you or anyone else wouldn't be using words like "doom". This is a textural soundscaping exercise that isn't noise and it isn't dark ambient, it ultimately ends up more of a drone product than anything else (or some kind of experimental music if you wanted). I mean really, where the hell are the "doom" riffs? And why do you think this is "apocalyptic"? This band is themed along the lines of the human origin, if anything that's the polar opposite of apocalyptic.
well, Sylvain Bégot still calls it a doom project and it's definitely doom inspired (at least the first part). I would still use the word doom, because it has its roots in doom (the harsh vocals pretty much underline the concept) and - as far as I'm concerned - has a doomy underlying atmosphere. It's not just the music or the riffs. Doom music doesn't have to have riffs. It's quite tiring hearing these stereotypes about doom metal on this site. And I still think it's progressive and not drone - and I didn't say you called it drone metal. It's still not drone. And if 2001: Space Odyssey (which you quoted) is not apocalyptic, then tell me what it is... all in all a very misguided review, if you want my frank opinion.
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 16.03.2012 at 15:07
well, Sylvain Bégot still calls it a doom project and it's definitely doom inspired (at least the first part). I would still use the word doom, because it has its roots in doom (the harsh vocals pretty much underline the concept) and - as far as I'm concerned - has a doomy underlying atmosphere. It's not just the music or the riffs. Doom music doesn't have to have riffs. It's quite tiring hearing these stereotypes about doom metal on this site. And I still think it's progressive and not drone - and I didn't say you called it drone metal. It's still not drone. And if 2001: Space Odyssey (which you quoted) is not apocalyptic, then tell me what it is... all in all a very misguided review, if you want my frank opinion.
He can call it a pop-thrash project if he wants, it doesn't make it so. Roots and previous records are irrelevant when it's the music that speaks for itself. The vocals could belong to a number of genres, a pointless example, it doesn't lend itself in any way to a "doom" category or feel.
It's funny, you're talking about stereotypes about genre classifications yet it's you that's forcing the issue of what this "is" - it's clear to me you have such an attachment to everything "doom" that you're seeing doom wherever and whenever you want to, even when it doesn't exist. This isn't progressing anything, most certainly not doom. If you want to see doom in everything and transcend it to a magical la-la dimension where doom can exist without some kind of tangible riff or concept from which it is made and known then that's your business but please don't pollute other people's logic with such drivel
And I would absolutely not call 2001 an apocalyptic film. What an utterly ridiculous notion... apocalytpic = end of humanity. Please point out where that theme fits into 2001, bearing in mind the film is more concerned with human evolution, again, the polar opposite of apocalyptic. It's been a while since I met someone with such a tenuous grip on reality, it's you that's totally misguided ;]
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Written by [user id=4365] on 16.03.2012 at 15:15
Written by Merchant of Doom on 16.03.2012 at 15:07
well, Sylvain Bégot still calls it a doom project and it's definitely doom inspired (at least the first part). I would still use the word doom, because it has its roots in doom (the harsh vocals pretty much underline the concept) and - as far as I'm concerned - has a doomy underlying atmosphere. It's not just the music or the riffs. Doom music doesn't have to have riffs. It's quite tiring hearing these stereotypes about doom metal on this site. And I still think it's progressive and not drone - and I didn't say you called it drone metal. It's still not drone. And if 2001: Space Odyssey (which you quoted) is not apocalyptic, then tell me what it is... all in all a very misguided review, if you want my frank opinion.
He can call it a pop-thrash project if he wants, it doesn't make it so. Roots and previous records are irrelevant when it's the music that speaks for itself. The vocals could belong to a number of genres, a pointless example, it doesn't lend itself in any way to a "doom" category or feel.
It's funny, you're talking about stereotypes about genre classifications yet it's you that's forcing the issue of what this "is" - it's clear to me you have such an attachment to everything "doom" that you're seeing doom wherever and whenever you want to, even when it doesn't exist. This isn't progressing anything, most certainly not doom. If you want to see doom in everything and transcend it to a magical la-la dimension where doom can exist without some kind of tangible riff or concept from which it is made and known then that's your business but please don't pollute other people's logic with such drivel
And I would absolutely not call 2001 an apocalyptic film. What an utterly ridiculous notion... apocalytpic = end of humanity. Please point out where that theme fits into 2001, bearing in mind the film is more concerned with human evolution, again, the polar opposite of apocalyptic. It's been a while since I met someone with such a tenuous grip on reality, it's you that's totally misguided ;]
I always love it when reviewers can't take criticism and resort to insulting other people's opinions. No wonder your average audience is 15.
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 16.03.2012 at 15:38
I always love it when reviewers can't take criticism and resort to insulting other people's opinions. No wonder your average audience is 15.
I'm calling your opinions ridiculous and I've levelled counter arguments against those ridiculous opinions (which you've yet to answer by the way).
What you're doing isn't criticism, it's plain absurdity ;] And trying to change tact to this attempt at making me out as someone committing the Ad Hominem Fallacy is not only untrue (because I've countered what you've posited, even when what you've stated is virtually impossible to tackle logically) but it seems like a feeble way of avoiding the topic at hand.
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Of course it is. Because I don't like your tone. We can discuss it when you grow up.
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 16.03.2012 at 15:46
Of course it is. Because I don't like your tone. We can discuss it when you grow up.
Ok, we'll discuss this when you get a grip on reality and stop making the world spin around your own head ;]
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Seems someone is hurt... and that someone isn''t the reviewer
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 16.03.2012 at 15:52
Seems someone is hurt... and that someone isn''t the reviewer
Well I probably shouldn't have called him ridiculous but when I remember it's someone who's made a career from pointing out errors in people's reviews with his own made up criteria about doom and what have you I start to feel less bad.
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What a joke. This is probably the least misguided review I've read on this site - including reviews I myself have written. The only doom bits I heard were the vocals, which reminded me of Esoteric, which on their own do not make this in any other way associated with doom at all.
It's weird to see you get defensive over being called out for trying to assert yourself as a doom elitist, MoD.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.03.2012 at 16:10
It's weird to see you get defensive over being called out for trying to assert yourself as a doom elitist, MoD.
I have feelings too, you know? Incident closed...
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