To answer the question - no, you are not nuts, you are just stupid (time to get my "offensive behavior" warning ).

And it is solely because of the word "theory" in the title of the thread.

check out this Stratovarius video (fan made)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFYK3rQc8Tk

it looks like a propaganda video, but i very much agree with its message!

Violence is inherent to the human struggle for survival. We must rise above our primal instincts to kill people and break things. The masculine role forced onto boys at a young age is to settle your problems through violence and any hesitation to act in this manner is viewed as "being a pussy." Religion is just a scapegoat distracting people from the true problem: testosterone poisoning. $

Hunter gatherer's killed each other for survival.
Civilization came- created Religion...so instead of a handful of people being killed- it became scores of people.

I hope evolution weeds out that violent blood thirsty, self righteous gene we must have. But so far it's just created a lot of breast cancer, and other crazy diseases -Natural selection at it's finest.

Written by Clintagräm on 19.09.2007 at 05:36

That's as ignorant a statement as saying that guns kill people. Religion in itself does not cause war, people cause war. They merely use religion unfairly as a shield to give "reason" to their actions.

Yes, but people can kill people when they wouldn't have been able to kill them without a gun. It's the same for religion, really. Without religion and the threat of Hell, etc, it would be far harder to make people support you in a war which doesn't have much of a reason. However, there's also a possibility that leaders can believe in the religion so much that they themselves become slaves to it.

Written by [user id=27606] on 20.12.2007 at 21:43

Written by Clintagräm on 19.09.2007 at 05:36

That's as ignorant a statement as saying that guns kill people. Religion in itself does not cause war, people cause war. They merely use religion unfairly as a shield to give "reason" to their actions.

Yes, but people can kill people when they wouldn't have been able to kill them without a gun. It's the same for religion, really. Without religion and the threat of Hell, etc, it would be far harder to make people support you in a war which doesn't have much of a reason. However, there's also a possibility that leaders can believe in the religion so much that they themselves become slaves to it.

Then there is truth to your statement. Just as without guns, people wouldn't be able to control and kill without religion as easy, but then again we have hands to kill also. We are born with these yes? Then we can still find a way to control and kill people. It is an inherit fault in man. And whether he was created in the image of God or not, it is there.

most of wars in human history were been cause of religion, so i agree with topic starter, religion should be forbden for good of planet

Written by EddieGunner on 28.12.2007 at 01:33

most of wars in human history were been cause of religion, so i agree with topic starter, religion should be forbden for good of planet

Blasphemy! You, sinner, are going to hell!

Written by [user id=4927] on 28.12.2007 at 10:21

Written by EddieGunner on 28.12.2007 at 01:33

most of wars in human history were been cause of religion, so i agree with topic starter, religion should be forbden for good of planet

Blasphemy! You, sinner, are going to hell!

see one thing theres no hell or parides, we all goin six feet under, or in crematory cheers

Written by EddieGunner on 28.12.2007 at 01:33

most of wars in human history were been cause of religion, so i agree with topic starter, religion should be forbden for good of planet

Two quick questions for you.

First: What is your definition of "Religion"? It seems people on this site have all different ideas as to what it means. Could you please give us all some illustrations of your view?

Second; You claim that most human wars have been caused by religion. Could you please back this statement with some data?

Written by EddieGunner on 28.12.2007 at 15:05

Written by [user id=4927] on 28.12.2007 at 10:21

Written by EddieGunner on 28.12.2007 at 01:33

most of wars in human history were been cause of religion, so i agree with topic starter, religion should be forbden for good of planet

Blasphemy! You, sinner, are going to hell!

see one thing theres no hell or parides, we all goin six feet under, or in crematory cheers

so its a win-win situation! i'll see ya there man

people start wars.

sometimes the driving ideology is religious in nature, other times it's other "isms"...

cultural differences are just as big a cause to war as religions are, guess we should wipe out cultures, too, then, for the good of humanity, eh?

@Dane Train
sorry i made some spelling mistakes, diferantet races, i'll give u two, WW2, hitler wnated to clear the world of jews, gypss and etc.... 90's balkan war, serbia wanted to creat a huge sreabi(no fuckin way) they tryed to made genocide here, they made it in one city..... serbs wanted to clear all muslims, here in bosnia, ....

from what i've seen religion isn't the CAUSE of any war. It is simply the EXCUSE for many. That is just because religion is mainly about beliefs and therefore cannot be proved or disproved and as such is an easy excuse for a fight. Territory seems to be the second biggest excuse as with the massive timescale these wars are fought over leaves no one who actually remembers who owned it in the first place and each side has "proof" of ownership at some point in time. Even when wars are fought over territory it would seem that some of those "proofs" of ownership given are that God gave them it.

What a complete and utter mess!

People believe in religion, just like they believe in a political or economical system ... so people causes war, the infinite human stupidity and greed of power, causes what we have seen in history.

Written by [user id=27451] on 29.12.2007 at 23:54

from what i've seen religion isn't the CAUSE of any war. It is simply the EXCUSE for many.

if there is NO religion, then thrs no excuse

Written by EddieGunner on 31.12.2007 at 03:50

Written by [user id=27451] on 29.12.2007 at 23:54

from what i've seen religion isn't the CAUSE of any war. It is simply the EXCUSE for many.

if there is NO religion, then thrs no excuse

So then they'll just find another way. It may be a bit more difficult, but if someone wants something to happen, they'll do it no matter what. Maybe I can't find a gun to shoot my stupid neighbor's kids, so I'll just pull out a steak knife and do it that way. Get it?

When I hear sheikhs on the mosque loudspeaker for friday prayers telling the congregation how america is the great satan and that jihad is the way to break free from the 'occupation' then I think religion causes war. And what about George Bush eh? Do you think he would've been in power if it wasn't for all those fundamentalist bible belters voting for him? Religion doesn't cause war, but ideology does, and its synonymous with religious views on political and ethical arguements. Keyword: Synonymous.

i think that religion does cause war, but if there is no religion, (therefore nothing to believe in) then what do we do next? how do we react to different things? religion i think is a restraint, yes it can cause war, but is also gives us moral values and ways of living life, without these "restraints" i think it would throw alot of things out of whack, if it never existed would be a completely different outcome.
the only religion i havent heard start a war would have to be the buddhists, but im not saying it has happened

Written by Fuath on 31.12.2007 at 12:51

i think that religion does cause war, but if there is no religion, (therefore nothing to believe in) then what do we do next? how do we react to different things? religion i think is a restraint, yes it can cause war, but is also gives us moral values and ways of living life, without these "restraints" i think it would throw alot of things out of whack, if it never existed would be a completely different outcome.
the only religion i havent heard start a war would have to be the buddhists, but im not saying it has happened

You don't need religion to have moral values. Just because you don't serve a god or many gods doesn't make you evil.



......oh and my thoughts exactly on the Buddhist thing . They can't anyway because it is within their eightfold path to act upright and to not hinder others / make them suffer. I adapt some Buddhist beliefs you see. I don't know why Buddhism is considered a religion, it's not like they worship any gods : .

Written by EddieGunner on 29.12.2007 at 17:15

@Dane Train
sorry i made some spelling mistakes, diferantet races, i'll give u two, WW2, hitler wnated to clear the world of jews, gypss and etc.... 90's balkan war, serbia wanted to creat a huge sreabi(no fuckin way) they tryed to made genocide here, they made it in one city..... serbs wanted to clear all muslims, here in bosnia, ....

But back to my question...what is your definition of a religion? People keep saying "religion causes war", well can someone tell me what they mean by religion?

Are people here talking about a group of people who have a common spiritual belief? If that is so, then yes, many groups fulled by a spiritual belief have started wars. But so many more wars have been spurred on by political and capital gain. You mentioned the Second World War and Adolf Hitler's attempted extermination of the Jewish race. Can I ask you what religious ideas was Hitler following? Because last time I checked, he also killed Poles, French, English, Scottish, Germans, Americans, Canadians, Australians and man, many other groups as well. And then what about Hitler's allies on the other side of the World, the Japaneses? What was their religious goal? Because as far as I can tell both the Third Reich and the Japanese Empire both were about world domination.

Looking at the history of warfare, I actually see very, very few wars that are truly started because of a spiritual belief. I am not saying that spiritual religious ideas can't cause wars, because they have, but political and capital gain greatly outnumber them. Just within the last 100 years, two world wars were fought and they were both about politics.

Written by [user id=160] on 31.12.2007 at 17:00

Written by Fuath on 31.12.2007 at 12:51

i think that religion does cause war, but if there is no religion, (therefore nothing to believe in) then what do we do next? how do we react to different things? religion i think is a restraint, yes it can cause war, but is also gives us moral values and ways of living life, without these "restraints" i think it would throw alot of things out of whack, if it never existed would be a completely different outcome.
the only religion i havent heard start a war would have to be the buddhists, but im not saying it has happened

You don't need religion to have moral values. Just because you don't serve a god or many gods doesn't make you evil.



......oh and my thoughts exactly on the Buddhist thing . They can't anyway because it is within their eightfold path to act upright and to not hinder others / make them suffer. I adapt some Buddhist beliefs you see. I don't know why Buddhism is considered a religion, it's not like they worship any gods : .

i stand corrected

from what i understand, buddhists worship buddha through meditating which i guess is there way of praying, but i dont think religion has to have a god, im not sure about either of these so ill do research

@something_wicked: No no, you see Buddha was like a Philosopher who was way ahead of his time. He was a Prince who was brought up as a Hindu, but wasn't satisfied with Hinduism because it didn't give him the answers he was looking for. So he made himself sit under a tree and meditate until he found the meaning of life. Thus he was enlightened, he discovered that in serving a god or many gods, that's not how you find happiness, happiness comes from within. So he expressed this to the masses and Buddhism was born. The type of 'worship' towards Buddha is like celebrity worship or how a dude on this site would show reverence to his/her favourite metal band. It's more respect than worship. Meditation is done to clear your mind of thoughts which make you unhappy, to understand your problems more clearly and to achieve greater wisdom.


but yeah, ummmm I guess technically religion doesn't have to have a god I guess, you might be right .

Written by [user id=160] on 01.01.2008 at 21:23

@something_wicked: No no, you see Buddha was like a Philosopher who was way ahead of his time. He was a Prince who was brought up as a Hindu, but wasn't satisfied with Hinduism because it didn't give him the answers he was looking for. So he made himself sit under a tree and meditate until he found the meaning of life. Thus he was enlightened, he discovered that in serving a god or many gods, that's not how you find happiness, happiness comes from within. So he expressed this to the masses and Buddhism was born. The type of 'worship' towards Buddha is like celebrity worship or how a dude on this site would show reverence to his/her favourite metal band. It's more respect than worship. Meditation is done to clear your mind of thoughts which make you unhappy, to understand your problems more clearly and to achieve greater wisdom.


but yeah, ummmm I guess technically religion doesn't have to have a god I guess, you might be right .

i didnt know that, thank you for the information, i understand now

i guess the worship thing is true, in other religions they ask, where as in buddhism they pay respects, am i right?

This is not a theory, it is fact. In black and white in every history book you will find.

Or rather, let me rephrase, it is the cause of every major war of antiquity - veiled religion, that is.

Modern era wars are more or less the direct result of European Colonialism and Imperialism.

@Dane Train

Hitler wasn't following any of religious ideas , but those who he wanted to simple destroy were following jewsih religion, so thats r religion or not
hitler hated jewish religion
causes of war: religion,

Written by EddieGunner on 04.01.2008 at 00:53

@Dane Train

Hitler wasn't following any of religious ideas , but those who he wanted to simple destroy were following jewsih religion, so thats r religion or not
hitler hated jewish religion
causes of war: religion,

The Jews were just a scapegoat. In reality, Hitler could have pointed to any group, the European Jews just made for the best target. But remember, it wasn't just the Jews he went after. He went after Gypsies, Poles, French, British, and so on. He even went after Americans and Canadians.

Also remember that the Jews are a race, not so much a religion in this sense. I know many Atheistic Jews.

yeah i know they r race, but i still think that religion is to be blamed for many wars.....

Written by EddieGunner on 04.01.2008 at 15:17

yeah i know they r race, but i still think that religion is to be blamed for many wars.....

I still am curious as to what you define as "religion"? Could you help me out there?

religion is huge massive ficiton, that someone long long time ago, said thrse god and bla bla storys and books like kuran and bible, wrote, just for purpose of contrlong huge masses of ppl, under somethign that is called religion, it's just a fiction nothing else
for me religion is same thing is fan of some football club, religius ppl r funs of god's