Eight Shapeshifter
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Passenger Lost To Apathy
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Nu Metal is a bit dead nowadays anyway, but I always liked it (bite me), and it's a good platform into non-alternative Metal. In the end it should only come down to a matter of personal taste though.
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linkin park is really good mong music, really relaxing etc..
although obveously i gotta be stoned to like it
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Hey, this is a pretty good article! I don't like nu metal but you have changed my point of view to the extent that I respect it's place in the metal realm a bit more now. I do love for metal to go forward, I am not one of those who thinks 'stick to the old guys!" This is probably because I grew up during the era of Iron Maiden, Megadeth, old Metallica et al. and while I greatly respect those bands, and they used to be my faves - well it's been many years and now they are a bit played out for me!
So, I LOVE new combinations... hey my favorite genres are folk metal, symphonic metal, stuff like that where metal is NOT pure but combined with some never-before-thought-of type of music! But now I finally understand why I don't like nu metal, and that is because I can't stand hip-hop! So obviously I would not like metal combined with a genre of music I hate... but, to each his/her own...
That being said, though, I'm kinda relieved to see that it's not represented here because it sure is over-represented on the radio and eveywhere else!!
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iaberis Advice Troll
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Nice to know Katman! Indeed most metalheads hate it cause it's similar to rap...I'm glad I've changed the perspective you see it now Because after all, it is metal!
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I wonder if I should even get into this discussion.... Oh well, here goes. I'm not about to start pontificating about what is "true" metal and what isn't. That's a presumptuous statement to make and people who declare such things really piss me off. I do believe slipknot can be called metal and I think they're quite impressive instrumentally, but I'm not particularly fond of their sound. Slipknot and similar bands are basically awash in a sea of far superior talent and most fans of these acts are out of touch with metal's roots. There's a word for that type of fan and it starts with a 'P'. Most fans of so called "nu-metal" are shopping mall denizens who are only familiar with the most popular bands. But the sad thing is how many of these fans would have a liking for far superior genres such as death and doom if they would just take the time and effort to explore new things once in a while and think beyond which t-shirts they see most often. If this were the case, many of these trendy fans would gladly burn their Deftones CDs in favor of Grand Magus and Opeth. Case in point, I saw Trivium in my hometown last November and they ceased to amaze me for the second time. This time they were blown away by little-known Texas doom band The Sword who released the BEST album of 2006 in my glorious and not-so-humble opinion. Anyone who was there would tell you that Trivium's trendy wankings were no match for The Sword's earthshaking wall of sludge. But most trendy posers will never check out The Sword because it's uncool to like something none of their friends have heard of, so they'll miss hearing a killer band who's heavy enough to shake satellites out of orbit. It's sad. I would conclude this rant here but I have something else to say that's been bugging me... Dillinger Escape Plan. That band is instrumentally amazing. Their music is extremely well played, and it is complete crap. Any fool can hear it. That band is amazingly talented and completely sucks ass. My point is simple, it doesn't matter how well a band plays or how well they display such virtuousity in their sound. If what they write is poop then it's poop. I applaud their ability to play such odd arrangements and timings, but the reason no metal band has gone there before is that it's irritating to listen to. Then again, bands like Venom and Saint Vitus could barely play their instruments and those bands totally rule. As for those bands and fans who like turntables and the like in metal, you're entitled to your tastes and opinions and I hope you choke. Anyone is welcome to disagree with me but they'll be wrong. Why? Because I said so!
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lenesu
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Well, I can only say that all those that wrote "rocks' or "sucks" are complete morons.When will you grow up?This is not the correct attitude against music. If you realy love metal you must respect all it's subgenres.
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Martinikuss
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Nu Metal: i say STOP !!! i hate this kind of music. Thats good for 'kinder metal'.
The article is writing realy good, but i disagree with authors opinion.
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Well written article but my point of view differs from the authors. I really hate Nu metal and it's kind of sad how that awsome sounding 70's and 80's metal turned into the crap we all know as nu metal.
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no matter how good people make it sound, nu metal sucks. it is massmarketed, cookiecutter music. the thing that it is comparable to is "metalcore" which started out as a good idea until all the bands started to sound exactly the same
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Paganblood The Aryaputra
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a good article
the way you inserted pictures was
but do you mean to say we must accept every forms of evolution open-mindedly? If we do so, then...look at this example: it is believed that humans evolved from species similar to apes (not exactly apes) but are apes and humans same?
similar thing happens with metal. various genres are evolving in it, but a day might come when the evolved genre will be different from the original, and can no longer be called metal, just like we cannot say humans are apelike species just because humans evolved from them.
Nu 'metal' is more close to punk than to metal.
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Paganblood The Aryaputra
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Written by [user id=22376] on 17.03.2007 at 04:50
no matter how good people make it sound, nu metal sucks. it is massmarketed, cookiecutter music. the thing that it is comparable to is "metalcore" which started out as a good idea until all the bands started to sound exactly the same
that's true, and nu metallers (suckers!) are sell-outs, commercializing music.
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Nice article...some good points eventhough I don't agree on many of them. I like some Nu Metal stuff, but most of the bands sound a like and are just boring. And yes: one has to keep an open mind when exploring new bands or genres...otherwise you'll never find new stuff
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Yeah with nu metal and metalcore: I think people are being lame to hate on these genres too quickly. True, alot of the forerunning bands set a bad name, but it doesnt mean the whole genre is bad...
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Stalker Lone wanderer
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Well, my friend, I agree with you in some points, but I also disagree in few.
My opinion on whole stuff is that closest relation that "Nu Metal" has with Metal is its very name, given to it by the music industry, which IMO, if not created it, helped very much its creation.
I dont really think that this music has strong influences or roots in Metal, because, take this as example - many "Nu Metal" band members admit they never listened to Metal, or even Rock, and for me, it is impossible for such person to create Metal music. Fact that they have electric guitars, heavy distortions, and stuff like that doesnt mean anything.
For me, "Nu Metal" will always be sheep in wolf's clothing, just another variant of pop music, with music industries' 'metal make-up'.
Whoever likes this music - go for it. This is just my opinion.
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Ellrohir Heaven Knight
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Nu-metal should be rather called No-metal...it is "a bit harder" alternative rock, nothing else...
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4look4rd The Sasquatch
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Written by Paganblood on 18.03.2007 at 14:43
a good article
the way you inserted pictures was
but do you mean to say we must accept every forms of evolution open-mindedly? If we do so, then...look at this example: it is believed that humans evolved from species similar to apes (not exactly apes) but are apes and humans same?
similar thing happens with metal. various genres are evolving in it, but a day might come when the evolved genre will be different from the original, and can no longer be called metal, just like we cannot say humans are apelike species just because humans evolved from them.
Nu 'metal' is more close to punk than to metal.
You are right, this has happened to metal already. Metal is not rock or blues anymore, now metal is its on genre because now days it is so different from its origins.
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selken Irreligious
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Great article!
Iaberis, I'm agree with many things you wrote here, but I DO like Nu metal and I do bands as wide as Darkthrone, Dark Moor, Shape of Despair and so....
I like a lot the open mind of people regardless of liking or not this but we must understant that these people makes what they want, and we must respect what people do.
Also who knows, maybe this "accesible" music brough people to harder and harder levels...
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Written by selken on 19.11.2007 at 01:51
Great article!
Iaberis, I'm agree with many things you wrote here, but I DO like Nu metal and I do bands as wide as Darkthrone, Dark Moor, Shape of Despair and so....
I like a lot the open mind of people regardless of liking or not this but we must understant that these people makes what they want, and we must respect what people do.
Also who knows, maybe this "accesible" music brough people to harder and harder levels...
There's nothing to say that we must respect what they do. However, we can tolerate people and their actions.
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It's not about being true, because most metalheads I know also listen to alot of non-metal music. Including me. It's not about not accepting evolution, because we DO accept new metal genres. Just look at the amount of metal genres that emerged the past couple of years, and the average metalhead accepted them. All this bullshit about metalheads not being able to accept new stuff and always sticking to the old music is nonsense.
The fact simply is that nu metal is not metal. Simple as that. It's hard rock with rap. Having distorted guitars does not make a band metal.
This is ridiculous, do you actually believe all people who reject mallcore only listen to 'old' metal?
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Syk myspace/bonerama
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Written by [user id=28243] on 13.01.2008 at 12:13 It's not about being true, because most metalheads I know also listen to alot of non-metal music. Including me. It's not about not accepting evolution, because we DO accept new metal genres. Just look at the amount of metal genres that emerged the past couple of years, and the average metalhead accepted them. All this bullshit about metalheads not being able to accept new stuff and always sticking to the old music is nonsense.
The fact simply is that nu metal is not metal. Simple as that. It's hard rock with rap. Having distorted guitars does not make a band metal.
This is ridiculous, do you actually believe all people who reject mallcore only listen to 'old' metal?
Good fucking post. I completely agree¹, people seem to classify more things as metal these days just because [hard] rock has had a recent trend of getting louder and more distorted.
Footnote 1 - I don't agree that ALL nümetal has rap vocals, but it is definitely a common link.
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iaberis Advice Troll
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Narrow-mindedness is exceeding here...
Why the hell did I try to make you see with a wider eye than your brain can bear...?
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Introspekrieg Totemic Lust ElitePosts: 2749 |
It totally depends, and I think labels just become counterintuitive sometimes (anything but simplifying.) I didn't like the first song on Pain of Salvation's "The Perfect Element Pt. 1" because of the rapping, so that style of vocals is definitely something I dislike. Little kids at the mall do not make good representatives for any band, but I think disliking something just because other people like it is conformist.
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Heh, nice. This thing's still going.
iaberis, how broad is your taste in music, exactly? Because I really fail to see how someone with extensive rock & metal knowledge could classify nu metal as subgenre of metal music.
Here,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A5sx7OFPGOY - Nu Metal
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pmoB2svMld8 - Hardcore Punk
There's not much difference between the two, save for the small detail that Rise Against are way better than LP
Nothing against Shinoda, of course. Fort Minor is one of the few hip-hop/rap acts I actually enjoy.
To add to comparison, some funky metal:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RgahybHQC-o
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iaberis Advice Troll
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Written by [user id=1868] on 27.01.2008 at 17:47
iaberis, how broad is your taste in music, exactly? Because I really fail to see how someone with extensive rock & metal knowledge could classify nu metal as subgenre of metal music.
There's not much difference between the two, save for the small detail that Rise Against are way better than LP
Nu metal is not only Linkin Park you know... There are other heavier bands than them in the genre, like Korn and Slipknot.
And yes I have a really wide metal knowledge, probably wider than yours.
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I know. Asides Linkin Park I also checked out Korn, Slipknot, Disturbed, SOAD, Papa Roach, Coal Chamber, Ill Nino, Godsmack and P.O.D.
Ill Nino are okay, I guess. Disturbed have some cool tracks.
But that doesn't change the fact they're playing funk-influenced Hard Rock and Hardcore Punk.
And if funk-influenced alt rock (Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rage Against The Machine) isn't metal, then I don't see why this should be ;P
I believe Post-Thrash/Groove Metal (Pantera, The Defaced) is as far as metal can go, really. Past that point it becomes much more of metalcore or hardcore punk.
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Inlé
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My primary dislike for Nu is the fact most (not all) bands seem to keep trying to shout out that they are "metal" constantly. The whole thing has an inferiority complex about it.
And the stereotypical Nu fan........ Ughhh.
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Written by Inlé on 28.01.2008 at 00:23
And the stereotypical Nu fan........ Ughhh.
Uhm. And the stereotypical metalhead is any better? All my friends that listen to nu metal are damn cool people (no, they don't hang out at malls and they don't show off with how much they're badass because they listen to metal... actually, they refuse to classify nu metal as subgenre of metal) so I have no idea what's the point of bringing up the stereotypes.
And for those who still have doubts:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xMEYLlDThZU The Dillinger Escape Plan (hardcore/mathcore)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EyC6TtxTSQc Sick of It All (hardcore)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pOtNqDyyX2c Rise Against (melodic hardcore)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_1ADlw8IuQ4 Killswitch Engage (metalcore)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K27d7Ut5bXo Korn (nu metal)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0WWu9HSrb3E Slipknot (nu metal)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2I2b64-ykyE Disturbed (hard rock/nu metal)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ONZ9bL2WGBE Pantera (heavy/groove metal)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tNZKmz4_kW8 Kayser (groove metal)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ave5ROScyHI The Defaced (melodeath/groove metal)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mzv7O9siFXY Chimaira (groove metal/metalcore)
There's much more similarities with the core bands, seriously.
Besides, look at the influences. Bands that will take influences from melodeath metal, thrash metal and hardcore punk will be considered metalcore... Metal/hardcore fusion - not metal, despite the strong influences from the straight-to-the-point metal subgenres. And Nu Metal? What is it influenced by? Alternative rock, punk rock, funk, groove metal. Well sorry, but groove metal isn't as "true" metal as melodeath or thrash. Even within groove metal you can find songs, which you'll doubt to be metal. And along with the other influences, I really don't see how you can come up with metal from such music genres.
And sorry for the amount of links, but arguing over music genres without actually knowing the neigbouring musical styles is just ridiculous.
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iaberis Advice Troll
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I have to admit, Skald knows how to justify well his opinion... He got me for some minutes...
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This is a controversial subject indeed.. I despise Nu-Metal.. But It does deserve some respect amongst metalheads when compared to other so-called "heavy" genres like hardcore/emo/metalcore. I am completely against and would consider my self ANTI-hardcore/emo/metalcore. When you compare such Nu-Metal bands as Korn, Machine Head(some would consider), Slipknot, Soulfly and Sevendust to (I refuse to put their names in upper case letters as they are not worthy) as i lay dying, autumn to ashes, hatebreed....etc Nu-Metal is a hell of a lot better.
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