Destruction in the mid 90s.

Written by [user id=105293] on 07.02.2011 at 18:19

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 11:36

Yes i know all about them(I was like huge fan of Nightwish ,and I still am....),but DPP was something that ruined all that i liked .I dont mean on vocals ,but on whole impression I've got....

DPP was a completely logical follow-up to Once, there was no change.

that's why

People: in this thread is impossible to write down your own opinion about the subject without the "barrage fire " by fanboys and fangirls because they don't like things you wrote and they would like to everyone share their own point of view ....
You know what? THAT IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN !

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 19:37

Written by [user id=105293] on 07.02.2011 at 18:19

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 11:36

Yes i know all about them(I was like huge fan of Nightwish ,and I still am....),but DPP was something that ruined all that i liked .I dont mean on vocals ,but on whole impression I've got....

DPP was a completely logical follow-up to Once, there was no change.

that's why

Why then, if that's true, did you not have a problem with Once? It was exactly like Century Child in every aspect. At least on DPP Marco sang a lot more.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.02.2011 at 15:36

Written by Slayer666 on 07.02.2011 at 14:36

Darkthrone should have been destroyed right after Sardonic Wrath. They became a parody of themselves, specially on the last two pieces of garbage that I refuse to call albums.

Seriously? Darkthrone are probably more black metal than ever. Maybe the current sound isn't "true Norwegian black metal", but the idea behind the music is exactly what black metal culture represents. It's a shame people are so ignorant about this concept. Is the music the greatest? No. Truth be told I'm not even a big fan of the sound, but to call Darkthrone a "parody"...that's just spite talking.

I, on the other hand, think it's a damn shame that there are people who are ignorant of the fact that it's no longer 1991/1992, and that Black metal is not a culture, nor a way of life, nor a state of mind or whatever people make it out to be. Black metal is a genre of music, subgenre Heavy Metal music to be more accurate. Nothing more, nothing less. As such, the only thing to pay attention to is music itself. With that in mind, listen to the song "Circle The Wagons" and tell me Darkthrone don't parody their older selves.
To imply that "Darkthrone are now more Black metal than ever" would mean that they use more blast-beats, tremolo picking, shrieked vocals, Satanic/misanthropic lyrics and other characteristics of Black metal than ever before, which they clearly don't. The only thing they have in common with the sound that defines black metal in the minimalist production.
EDIT: Mind you, I did not mean to imply that only the bands that use the mentioned music style are Black metal. I was just giving an example.

Written by [user id=105293] on 07.02.2011 at 20:56

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 19:37

Written by [user id=105293] on 07.02.2011 at 18:19

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 07.02.2011 at 11:36

Yes i know all about them(I was like huge fan of Nightwish ,and I still am....),but DPP was something that ruined all that i liked .I dont mean on vocals ,but on whole impression I've got....

DPP was a completely logical follow-up to Once, there was no change.

that's why

Why then, if that's true, did you not have a problem with Once? It was exactly like Century Child in every aspect. At least on DPP Marco sang a lot more.

#1 Once was my first metal album I ever listened to ,but I admit that their earlier stuff are somehow more interesting for me and Once was actually a peak in their work with Tarja but somehow not like their first couple of albums
#2 Im not a huge fan of Marco so I can live without his vocals

Written by Wintersun616 on 07.02.2011 at 06:28

Nemo is a good song and Tarja sounds good singing it. Same for GLS and PatP. Anette's singing makes it pop metal, because she sounds, acts and looks like a pop star.

Anette's previous group Alyson Avenue is a rock act... I've heard she's sung ABBAs repertoire as well which is great because ABBA is a classical band who composed good music...

If Anette seems pop to you, then just take a look at Rihanna or Lady Gaga and think again... that's pop nowadays...

Speaking of pop once again... although yes, the international music industry is ruled by brainwashing crap, there's been some good pop(ular) music before and also nowadays which means that pop isn't necessarily evil...

And I shouldn't be speaking bout that anyway for Anette isn't actually active in pop scene anyway... And I think she makes Nightwish more edgy and suits Marco's vocals very well. And speaking of age... when in her 50ies, I bet she'd be matured into an even better vocalist such as Doro...

Written by Ernis on 07.02.2011 at 22:45

If Anette seems pop to you, then just take a look at Rihanna or Lady Gaga and think again... that's pop nowadays...

What does the way a person dresses or moves on stage have to do with the genre anyway? I'll never understand why Tarja fans immediately label anything non-Tarja as pop. "You don't have to look metal to be metal" - Tobias Sammet, the guy who wears Hawaiian shirts on stage.

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Speaking of pop once again... although yes, the international music industry is ruled by brainwashing crap, there's been some good pop(ular) music before and also nowadays which means that pop isn't necessarily evil...

Exactly. People who use pop as a synonym for shit need to pull their heads out of their asses and sniff the daisies.

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And I think she makes Nightwish more edgy and suits Marco's vocals very well.

As evidenced by Seven Days To The Wolves and The Islander.

Written by [user id=105293] on 07.02.2011 at 22:50

What does the way a person dresses or moves on stage have to do with the genre anyway? I'll never understand why Tarja fans immediately label anything non-Tarja as pop. "You don't have to look metal to be metal" - Tobias Sammet, the guy who wears Hawaiian shirts on stage.

I've heard people say "Tarja was so metal... so GOTHIC!"... do they mean the "ducky banana dress" she wore during every performance? Not that I say anything bad about it... 'twas funny...

Written by Ernis on 07.02.2011 at 23:02

I've heard people say "Tarja was so metal... so GOTHIC!"

This raises another question. Why would she need to be gothic, since she's never performed in a gothic metal band?

Hint: Nightwish aren't goth, they never were.

Written by Slayer666 on 07.02.2011 at 21:42

I, on the other hand, think it's a damn shame that there are people who are ignorant of the fact that it's no longer 1991/1992, and that Black metal is not a culture, nor a way of life, nor a state of mind or whatever people make it out to be. Black metal is a genre of music, subgenre Heavy Metal music to be more accurate. Nothing more, nothing less. As such, the only thing to pay attention to is music itself. With that in mind, listen to the song "Circle The Wagons" and tell me Darkthrone don't parody their older selves.
To imply that "Darkthrone are now more Black metal than ever" would mean that they use more blast-beats, tremolo picking, shrieked vocals, Satanic/misanthropic lyrics and other characteristics of Black metal than ever before, which they clearly don't. The only thing they have in common with the sound that defines black metal in the minimalist production.
EDIT: Mind you, I did not mean to imply that only the bands that use the mentioned music style are Black metal. I was just giving an example.

Totally agreed. Black Metal is a musical genre, no more no less. It is not a culture or way of life. What defines a band as Black Metal is music, and not irrelevant non-musical details.
The music Darkthrone are making now is not BM at all and in no way it is more BM than at the time they released the Peaceville trilogy.
How could shitty Motorhead wannabe music be more Black Metal than raw Black Metal itself? The idea makes no sense to me.

Written by RavenKing on 07.02.2011 at 14:20
Owens has never been the problem with Iced Earth. He did a very good job with the band.
The problem is Schaffer's inability to write good music anymore.

I agree he did a very good job with them, but he took a huge amount of flak (all of it unjustified from my point of view) from die-hard Barlow fans while he was in Iced Earth. I loved Matt as well, but I accepted Tim, and thought he gave some great performances in the band. I feel TCOM was like the final vindication for Ripper, as he could no longer be used as a scapegoat for the declining quality of Iced Earth's music. He wasn't even in the band anymore when they released their worst album. lol All the blame for the mediocrity in latter day Iced Earth is on Jon Schaffer, and no-one else. And I think it's only now that Ripper is gone, that some are just starting to appreciate he actually did a fine job as IE vocalist.

Written by Slayer666 on 07.02.2011 at 21:42

Black metal is not a culture, nor a way of life, nor a state of mind or whatever people make it out to be.

That is where you (and many others) and I (and many others) disagree, and arguing any further would be pointless as we'd be talking apples and oranges.

At the end of the day, no matter what Darkthrone release, there will always be the "two camps" result: haters and lovers, with likers in between. I love the "new" direction because of my personal take on black metal as a culture, but definitely not as a genre. Anyway, apples and oranges - and to each his own.

Written by Angelic Storm on 08.02.2011 at 02:04

Written by RavenKing on 07.02.2011 at 14:20
Owens has never been the problem with Iced Earth. He did a very good job with the band.
The problem is Schaffer's inability to write good music anymore.

I agree he did a very good job with them, but he took a huge amount of flak (all of it unjustified from my point of view) from die-hard Barlow fans while he was in Iced Earth. I loved Matt as well, but I accepted Tim, and thought he gave some great performances in the band. I feel TCOM was like the final vindication for Ripper, as he could no longer be used as a scapegoat for the declining quality of Iced Earth's music. He wasn't even in the band anymore when they released their worst album. lol All the blame for the mediocrity in latter day Iced Earth is on Jon Schaffer, and no-one else. And I think it's only now that Ripper is gone, that some are just starting to appreciate he actually did a fine job as IE vocalist.

Owens got an awful lot of undeserved criticism and bashing when he was in Iced Earth. Mostly from the Barlow fanboys. On this, I wish to mention that I find Barlow very overrated by many. To me, he's never been more than an average vocalist and he never was the reason I listened to Iced Earth.

I think TCOM indeed became Owens vengeance for all the crap he got when he was in the band and for the lame, unprofessional way Schaffer fired him from IE (I still think to this day that Schaffer is a despicable asshole because of the way he handled things at that time).

You know, in a certain way I'm happy that TCOM is so bad. It is the punch in the face Schaffer and all the Barlow fanboys deserved so rightfully. Now that the band released this awful album with Barlow on vocals, everyone can see that Owens was not the problem in Iced Earth. Like you're saying, the problem is Schaffer and no one else.
By the way, Barlow sucks on TCOM.

Written by Classic Bob G on 07.02.2011 at 18:35

Apocalyptica. Seventh symphony was awful, I've never bought an album that has actually left a bad taste in my mouth.

Agreed. Either go back to instrumental releases or end it. Can't even compare "Inquisition Symphony" or "Reflections" with this radio rock drivel.

Written by [user id=105293] on 07.02.2011 at 18:24

Written by 4look4rd on 07.02.2011 at 16:05

Nightwish lost their originality, now they are in the same category as Lunatica, Vision of Atlantis, and the other thousand mediocre female fronted power/symphonic bands.

First of all, Therion already did operatic symphonic metal before Nightwish. Second, how does Nightwish loose it's originality just because thousands of copycats emerge, when Tuomas is clearly a superior songwriter?

Nightwish was not the first band to play symphonic metal, but they did create a rather unique Symphonic/Power metal during the first three albums. Then Toumas started to add more and more symphonic elements, which in my opinion were very nice in the Century Child album, but after that it just got old. Nightwish pretty much dropped the top notch power metal that they used to play and adopted more symphonic elements.

They are still a quality band, but in my opinion they lost what they used to do best.

Written by [user id=105293] on 08.02.2011 at 00:26

Written by Ernis on 07.02.2011 at 23:02

I've heard people say "Tarja was so metal... so GOTHIC!"

This raises another question. Why would she need to be gothic, since she's never performed in a gothic metal band?

Hint: Nightwish aren't goth, they never were.

You don't have to tell me that...
But for some reason, I've seen a lot of cases where people call Nightwish and Tarja gothic... these people even think that any band that has a female vocalist with flamboyant dress is automatically gothic...

Written by Irritable Ted on 07.02.2011 at 17:20

Written by Wintersun616 on 07.02.2011 at 15:57

Written by Irritable Ted on 07.02.2011 at 13:57

I would like to disband the group of people who are STILL going on about Tarja. For fucks sake, get over it.

Look at the shit she is producing now. Is that better than DPP?

My honest opinion, yes, it is. Not better as in more metal, but I still enjoy it more than DPP.

And if you would actually read my post, you would see that I'm not going on about Tarja, I'm going on about Anette. If the chemistry in Nightwish was bad, then it indeed was a right choice to sack Tarja. It's Anette that is the problem, not the firing of Tarja.

I am not addressing your post on its own. Just the endless and pointless topic of Nightwish vocalists. Tuomas makes the decisions, he is the driving force behind the band. Do you really think he gives a fuck about the opinion of the Annette haters? They will still sell records, but maybe to a difference audience. He is not going to cry himself to sleep just because you are not interested in the new material. Anyway, how many years is it now since the vocalists changed 4-5? You do know that Bon Scott has died and that AC/DC have a new vocalist?

@ mariano, what the hell has her age got to do with anything? Doro is 46, is she past it? You are 33, better take you behind the cow shed and shoot you too in 7 years.

Are metalheads so close minded to change. The same topics keep coming up over and over again. Metallica this, Megadeth that. I hate metalcore, black metal is no longer true. If you don't like it then don't fucking listen to it. Give us all a break and shut up. Comment on something that you do like, be constructive for a change.

Dude, if you think the topic is pointless then why do you take the time to post your comments?
BTW, I never liked Doro, so I cant' tell how long it's been since she started singing for old farts

Written by Ernis on 08.02.2011 at 19:48

Written by [user id=105293] on 08.02.2011 at 00:26

Written by Ernis on 07.02.2011 at 23:02

I've heard people say "Tarja was so metal... so GOTHIC!"

This raises another question. Why would she need to be gothic, since she's never performed in a gothic metal band?

Hint: Nightwish aren't goth, they never were.

You don't have to tell me that...
But for some reason, I've seen a lot of cases where people call Nightwish and Tarja gothic... these people even think that any band that has a female vocalist with flamboyant dress is automatically gothic...

I wasn't really telling YOU that, buy yeah, there are those people. Five years ago when Nightwish released their worst of album, the ads on TV even called them goth rock. You know, because none of us can really differentiate between Nightwish and Sisters Of Mercy

Anathema! I listened to their latest album and it isn't even rock!

Wow what a great thread!

though i am not going to answer here! haha! 2 reasons:

1) most of the great bands who fuck it up after some moment ALWAYS have the ability to make the comeback. example: Deicide.
2) on the other hand there are many many bands (sadly for us) who after some nice releases turn to shit. but they are so many and i find hard to mention only ONE...

That's very true about Deicide...a lot of people said the new songs that are sampling online are produced badly but I tend to disagree...their sound is a lot more varied nowadays...its like the difference between day and night when you listen to Once Upon The Cross vs. their first album vs. what they are just putting out now...they were putting out very chunky, fast, 'lets just put out an album to put out an album that isn't even a half hour long' type belched out death metal...they're such a mature band now and are composing stuff that really breathes...so yeah, what a journey for Deicide...even after the two brothers left...man, I thought their world was going to fall apart but they managed to press on...

I just hope that Metallica's new album is Death Magnetic only slightly better...if not, then they should seriously fuck off...

Guys, get this arguments over! We are all Metalheads, no matter if one like another genre.
You see? there kind of things makes metal lose it's strength, and let pop rise.

Back to topic: I think too much bands going through original writing blocks or that kind or another, but still, most bands still make great music to my ears.
But to a completely different approach, lets take Sonata Arctica as an example for this situation:
Their first album Ecliptica was general power metal, later with Silence and Reckoning Night, they have become melodic power metal, by the late albums Unia and The Days of Grays, they have become story-telling progressive metal. Obviously i liked the old sonata more than the new SA, but they still kickass, and bring hell'alot of original songs, with much more genres in every song than just simple "progressive metal".

Written by [user id=105293] on 07.02.2011 at 22:50

Written by Ernis on 07.02.2011 at 22:45

If Anette seems pop to you, then just take a look at Rihanna or Lady Gaga and think again... that's pop nowadays...

What does the way a person dresses or moves on stage have to do with the genre anyway? I'll never understand why Tarja fans immediately label anything non-Tarja as pop. "You don't have to look metal to be metal" - Tobias Sammet, the guy who wears Hawaiian shirts on stage.

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Speaking of pop once again... although yes, the international music industry is ruled by brainwashing crap, there's been some good pop(ular) music before and also nowadays which means that pop isn't necessarily evil...

Exactly. People who use pop as a synonym for shit need to pull their heads out of their asses and sniff the daisies.

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And I think she makes Nightwish more edgy and suits Marco's vocals very well.

As evidenced by Seven Days To The Wolves and The Islander.

Tobias Sammett might wear a hawaii shirt on stage, but at least he sounds metal. Anette doesn't.

I am completely entitled to my opinion, which is that pop = shit. You may disagree, but I'm not the one telling you to pull your head out of your ass. Please learn to accept other peoples opinions, even if they differ from yours.

The only thing I liked about DPP was the massive orchestrations and Marco singing more. Neither of those happened because of Anette. They could've been the same with any other singer too.

And just a few points relating to other messages of this thread. I've never considered Nightwish or Tarja to be gothic. Now I'm not saying that you said it to me specifically, but I just felt that I should bring this up.
Anette sang some ABBA songs. How does that make her a great singer? I can sing some ABBA songs too, and that won't make me a great singer.
Rihanna and Lady Gaga are pop, true. Anette is poppy. There's a difference, but there's a similarity too.

Written by Wintersun616 on 10.02.2011 at 22:04

Tobias Sammett might wear a hawaii shirt on stage, but at least he sounds metal. Anette doesn't.

As if Tarja sounded any more or less metal than Anette.

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I am completely entitled to my opinion, which is that pop = shit.

Not a fan of R.E.M. then? OK.

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The only thing I liked about DPP was the massive orchestrations and Marco singing more.

Pretty much sums up my feelings on all of Nightwish albums since Century Child.

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Neither of those happened because of Anette. They could've been the same with any other singer too.

Which is once again exactly the case with Century Child and Once too. So why does Tarja get a pass, but Anette doesn't?

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Anette sang some ABBA songs. How does that make her a great singer? I can sing some ABBA songs too, and that won't make me a great singer.

No one said anything about Anette being great.

Written by [user id=105293] on 10.02.2011 at 22:45

Which is once again exactly the case with Century Child and Once too. So why does Tarja get a pass, but Anette doesn't?

No one said anything about Anette being great.

Anette doesn't get a pass because she's... damn... I can't tell... I am expecting some explanations...

And yeh... Anette is good... for my taste she isn't great... Anneke Van Giersbergen is great for my taste... And while Anette might not be the "most extraordinary" singer, she still does a good job for the group and since Nightwish is after all an ensemble with an emphasis on the overall composition, the vocals are just part of it and are not even meant to be anything awfully extraordinary... In fact, Tarja indeed at one point started eating the music itself away because of her voice was quite specific and I'd say, sometimes hard to digest...

Written by Wintersun616 on 10.02.2011 at 22:04

I am completely entitled to my opinion, which is that pop = shit. You may disagree, but I'm not the one telling you to pull your head out of your ass. Please learn to accept other peoples opinions, even if they differ from yours.

I was once told "IT IS MY HUMAN RIGHT since the DECLARATION of HUMAN RIGHTS from the date on which it was published to HAVE MY OWN OPINION. AND IF MY OPINION IS THAT ALL RUSSIANS SHOULD DIE THEN I HAVE THE RIGHT TO THINK SO! YOU CANNOT TELL ME IT'S WRONG TO THINK LIKE THIS!" Don't take this personally, it was just an example of how people who always accuse others in not respecting their opinion, rudely attack the opinion of others...

Yes, everyone is entitled to one's opinion. I always respect that and never smear my views on other people. I only enjoy doing it when I percept the other person being bitchy and with an attitude that doesn't stand other opinions.

Pop=shit is a very bland statement that demonstrates a very low brain capacity and limited ability of thinking and also leaves an impression of certain degree of impoliteness, narrow understanding of things and show that this person also most probably is a bitch when someone dares to express another opinion, thus acting like a moron, using often impolite sentences and phrases and relying on the famous phrase how everyone is entitled to one's own opinion.

Yes, there's some bad pop there and there's some good pop that is pleasant to ears. If something is good then one must bring out the good sides of it, if something's bad, then bring out the negative sides and comment on these. I cannot pretend to be an all-knowing person by making a declaration that pop equals shit and everyone who doesn't respect my opinion, RESPECT MY OPINION!

I try to avoid acting like this. Except on occasions such as this when I love to start picking at some ultra-idiotic statements. And I always respect other people's opinion. Especially if a person brings up intelligent reasons why one thinks like this and elaborates the sentences a bit in order to let others see the background of his way of thinking. Thus it is easier for everyone to respect each other's opinion and have a pleasant discussion. "I am completely entitled to my opinion, which is that pop = shit. You may disagree, but I'm not the one telling you to pull your head out of your ass." fails to meet those criteria in some ways... if you wish others to respect your opinion, try to act less like a moron...

Have a pleasant day...

Written by Ernis on 10.02.2011 at 23:22

I try to avoid acting like this. Except on occasions such as this when I love to start picking at some ultra-idiotic statements. And I always respect other people's opinion. Especially if a person brings up intelligent reasons why one thinks like this and elaborates the sentences a bit in order to let others see the background of his way of thinking. Thus it is easier for everyone to respect each other's opinion and have a pleasant discussion. "I am completely entitled to my opinion, which is that pop = shit. You may disagree, but I'm not the one telling you to pull your head out of your ass." fails to meet those criteria in some ways... if you wish others to respect your opinion, try to act less like a moron...

Exactly.

There's also a difference between respecting someone's opinion and respecting the rock stupid manner in which they state it. "I don't like Anette" is a far cry from "They might as well have hired Britney Spears". Which is what he said and I called him on it. I don't suffer stupidity and I don't apologize for it. That's my way of the ninja!!!

Written by Ernis on 10.02.2011 at 23:22

Written by [user id=105293] on 10.02.2011 at 22:45

Which is once again exactly the case with Century Child and Once too. So why does Tarja get a pass, but Anette doesn't?

No one said anything about Anette being great.

Anette doesn't get a pass because she's... damn... I can't tell... I am expecting some explanations...

And yeh... Anette is good... for my taste she isn't great... Anneke Van Giersbergen is great for my taste... And while Anette might not be the "most extraordinary" singer, she still does a good job for the group and since Nightwish is after all an ensemble with an emphasis on the overall composition, the vocals are just part of it and are not even meant to be anything awfully extraordinary... In fact, Tarja indeed at one point started eating the music itself away because of her voice was quite specific and I'd say, sometimes hard to digest...

Written by Wintersun616 on 10.02.2011 at 22:04

I am completely entitled to my opinion, which is that pop = shit. You may disagree, but I'm not the one telling you to pull your head out of your ass. Please learn to accept other peoples opinions, even if they differ from yours.

I was once told "IT IS MY HUMAN RIGHT since the DECLARATION of HUMAN RIGHTS from the date on which it was published to HAVE MY OWN OPINION. AND IF MY OPINION IS THAT ALL RUSSIANS SHOULD DIE THEN I HAVE THE RIGHT TO THINK SO! YOU CANNOT TELL ME IT'S WRONG TO THINK LIKE THIS!" Don't take this personally, it was just an example of how people who always accuse others in not respecting their opinion, rudely attack the opinion of others...

Yes, everyone is entitled to one's opinion. I always respect that and never smear my views on other people. I only enjoy doing it when I percept the other person being bitchy and with an attitude that doesn't stand other opinions.

Pop=shit is a very bland statement that demonstrates a very low brain capacity and limited ability of thinking and also leaves an impression of certain degree of impoliteness, narrow understanding of things and show that this person also most probably is a bitch when someone dares to express another opinion, thus acting like a moron, using often impolite sentences and phrases and relying on the famous phrase how everyone is entitled to one's own opinion.

Yes, there's some bad pop there and there's some good pop that is pleasant to ears. If something is good then one must bring out the good sides of it, if something's bad, then bring out the negative sides and comment on these. I cannot pretend to be an all-knowing person by making a declaration that pop equals shit and everyone who doesn't respect my opinion, RESPECT MY OPINION!

I try to avoid acting like this. Except on occasions such as this when I love to start picking at some ultra-idiotic statements. And I always respect other people's opinion. Especially if a person brings up intelligent reasons why one thinks like this and elaborates the sentences a bit in order to let others see the background of his way of thinking. Thus it is easier for everyone to respect each other's opinion and have a pleasant discussion. "I am completely entitled to my opinion, which is that pop = shit. You may disagree, but I'm not the one telling you to pull your head out of your ass." fails to meet those criteria in some ways... if you wish others to respect your opinion, try to act less like a moron...

Have a pleasant day...

I know what you mean by that example. But in this case, I felt that ErnilEnNaur here can't accept my disliking of Anette, telling me to pull my head out of my ass. Does that sound like good, intelligent argument? No.

I might have expressed my opinions a bit exaggerated and rudely. I apologize. I find Anette poppy and boring. And I dislike pop music. (And btw. music taste has nothing to do with intelligence or brain capacity.) And that's it, I just don't like either of them. I just wish Nightwish would've picked a more suitable singer. And then there's this guy telling me to pull my head out of my ass, because I disagree with him. And now you say that I'm the moron of this conversation, who doesn't respect others opinions?

Written by Wintersun616 on 11.02.2011 at 06:23

I know what you mean by that example. But in this case, I felt that ErnilEnNaur here can't accept my disliking of Anette, telling me to pull my head out of my ass. Does that sound like good, intelligent argument? No.

I might have expressed my opinions a bit exaggerated and rudely. I apologize. I find Anette poppy and boring. And I dislike pop music. (And btw. music taste has nothing to do with intelligence or brain capacity.) And that's it, I just don't like either of them. I just wish Nightwish would've picked a more suitable singer. And then there's this guy telling me to pull my head out of my ass, because I disagree with him. And now you say that I'm the moron of this conversation, who doesn't respect others opinions?

Thanks a lot for being bit more clear and bringing out some background of your responses. That is what one should do. Indeed, you haven't been the sole moron here, so forgive me if I've in some way been impolite. But don't forget the art of not descending to the level of someone who appears to be with no manners to you.

Since I imagine now all parties have reached the level of mutual understanding, I hope we can close this topic here. For sure, there might've been some more suitable singers indeed for Nightwish but since they found Anette (we can't imagine the level of the other candidates from amongst whom the band picked their singer) then it could be guessed that out of all the candidates she was the best choice for the band. Maybe yes, someone might have been even better but things have gone as they have and since the group seems pretty all right at the moment then we can hope for the best for them and enjoy the good music they make. And if it isn't good for some people, then there's no problem for this remains a matter of taste and besides Nightwish is not the only ensemble of good musicians on Earth...

Written by Ernis on 11.02.2011 at 11:28
Thanks a lot for being bit more clear and bringing out some background of your responses. That is what one should do. Indeed, you haven't been the sole moron here, so forgive me if I've in some way been impolite. But don't forget the art of not descending to the level of someone who appears to be with no manners to you.

I have to admit I was a bit of an ass myself, so forgive me too. I'll try to remember that advice better from now on.

Written by Ernis on 11.02.2011 at 11:28
Since I imagine now all parties have reached the level of mutual understanding, I hope we can close this topic here.

Agreed. No hard feelings.

Back to the topic. I think Catamenias last two albums were horrible. Everything from production to singing and playing wasn't right IMO. I just hope they can achieve the level they were on again, now that most of the members have been changed. I haven't heard anything from this new singer, but I would've been more than happy if they had taken Agathodaimon's singer, since he was one of the last 3 candidates for that job and one of my favourite vocalists.