Behdaad DEAD
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29.09.2011 - 18:35Rating: 8
Nice review mate.
It really showed your love and respect for Draconian.
And I totally agree with you that this album was a new experience for Draconian.
Being heavier and having new lyrical themes, was a new experience.
Thanks for writing this.
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Vonpire
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29.09.2011 - 18:41Rating: 10
Thank you Behdad!
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
Wow, I like Draconian and I liked this album...but bordering on perfect seems a bit excessive to me. I guess you explained the score with your review, it's just hard for me to put this album and perfection in the same sentence.
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Opethian
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29.09.2011 - 19:07Rating: 5
I agree, i had this since day 1 of its release and found it to be nothing out of the ordinary. "Where Lovers Mourn" is still my personal favorite from the band "A Rose for The Apocalypse" just seems so dry in sound and in Inspiration. That's just my Opinion and Thought .
A 9.5? .. sorry, a solid 6 perhaps
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Vonpire
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29.09.2011 - 19:21Rating: 10
There is already the "6" review. I just wanted to show another pov. As I stated before this is my rating. Besides that I read an enormous amount of reviews of arfta on the web and 70% of them rate this album with same rating or even higher than me. I didn't gave it a 10 . And to be honest I only saw 2 reviews out there that rated this with 6 or below, one being ms's review.
For me this this is at Heavenwood Abyss Masterpiece level and I see that ms staff review rated it with 9.7. See? I was less generous
Edit : To Opethian. You say a solid 6 but rated it with a 8 Don't get it unless you mistaken
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Behdaad DEAD
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29.09.2011 - 21:18Rating: 8
Written by Opethian on 29.09.2011 at 19:07
I agree, i had this since day 1 of its release and found it to be nothing out of the ordinary. "Where Lovers Mourn" is still my personal favorite from the band "A Rose for The Apocalypse" just seems so dry in sound and in Inspiration. That's just my Opinion and Thought .
A 9.5? .. sorry, a solid 6 perhaps
I'm somewhere in between!
I rated it an 8, but if I wanted to write a review, I would rate it: 8.4
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advent
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30.09.2011 - 01:17Rating: 6
Mmm, this review confuse me, it makes me feel like i was listening to entirely different album.
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Vonpire
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30.09.2011 - 01:34Rating: 10
I really dont get why. You didn't read many reviews of this album did you? I mean this cause if you did you would have the same reaction to those.
That often happens, what works to many people dont work to others. Its normal. Same happen to me with Ayreon albums, for ex.
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Opethian
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30.09.2011 - 04:51Rating: 5
Written by advent on 30.09.2011 at 01:17
Mmm, this review confuse me, it makes me feel like i was listening to entirely different album.
He was listening to something else indeed while typing out the review Perhaps 'Ocean Machine' ? haha
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Vonpire
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30.09.2011 - 05:44Rating: 10
Maybe I was listening to latest and weak album from opeth... The one you rated with a 9
So if that one is a 9 this album should be a 18...
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Cassian
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I prefer this review to the previous one because it is much fairer and more objective. It is true that this album is not as assessible as Turning Seasons Within, but after a few times of careful listening the melodies become clearer, and the 10 songs turn out to be a wonderful masterpiece.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6101 |
30.09.2011 - 10:32Rating: 7
Quote: You may think now I am a fanboy.
Of course you are. First you spend a month whining over a review that you dislike, and now you write your own, utterly praising the album. The word "perfect" appears six times in your text. That's high even for fanboy standards.
Don't get me wrong, you may like this album as much as you want, and you can rate it as high as you want, but I find your total lack of objectivity a bit immature. Just one example of something you would've noticed if you were actually writing a review as opposed to your verses of worship - the female vocals are quite one-dimensional, and their continuous reappearances in the same style over and over again tend to become boring half way through the album. She is a good singer, and has a very nice voice, but she (or whoever arranged her vocal lines) lacks ideas about how to use it.
You may think that I hate this album. no, I don't. It's an enjoyable listen, and it's a solid 7 for me. If only they made it shorter...
But don't worry, you havent beaten [URL=http://metalstorm.net/pub/review.php?review_id=24]this review[/URL] in terms of praise
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Slayer666
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Hah, Vonpire is totally related to ponderer somehow.
The difference is, ponderer writes extremely negative troll reviews and Vonpire praises the shit out of the album in his.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Cassian on 30.09.2011 at 09:39
I prefer this review to the previous one because it is much fairer and more objective.
And why is that? Because you happen to agree with this one and disagree with the other review?
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Vonpire
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30.09.2011 - 13:54Rating: 10
It's was really getting weirder without the Warning fanboys around
Well well well, just some quotes of words from other reviews of this...
"very best practitioners" , "such expert unit" , "offer a top quality" , "brimming with emotion, intensity and dark atmosphere" , "real slobberknocker of a metal album" , "beautiful, emotive voice" , "she's as enchanting as always" , "the memorable line" , "with equally high quality gothic tinged death/doom" , "heavy as hell but memorable and addicting after just one listen" , "None of the ten tracks are weak" , "her voice captivates and it really meshes well" , "Also worthy of praise is the guitar work" , "an impressive array of great doom/goth riffs" , "haunting music that remains memorable and accesible" , "They keep refining and perfecting their take on the style and with results like this, there isn't much negative one can say"
And so on and on and on....
Oh no!!! There is only fanboys writing reviews of Draconian.....
But hey I think I found the formula for this album...
If you Love Doom and dislike gothic - You'll dislike this album
If You Love Gothic and dislike Doom - You'll think it's a good album
If you Love Gothic and like Doom - You'll think it's perfect
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
What does liking Warning have to do with it? You don't see me cry an whine when someone doesn't like it, even though reviews almost everywhere were great as well. I can actually understand people not liking Patrick Walker's emotive almost crying vocals.
So, please get over the fact that there are also loads of people that don't like this new Draconian album.
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Vonpire
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30.09.2011 - 14:23Rating: 10
Nothing, I just know you are fanboy of warning. You didn't get offended did you?
Yup, specially when you 3 guys get over the fact that there are loads of people who love this new Draconian album and praises it as much or even more than me.
So here we are!
Two reviews one for each kind of people.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Vonpire on 30.09.2011 at 13:54
If you Love Gothic and like Doom - You'll think it's perfect
Nope, case in point being DerRozzengarten
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Vonpire
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30.09.2011 - 14:29Rating: 10
The formula has flaws. Or maybe DerRozzengarten is immune to it
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With every snipey, negative comment you make about other people and their own opinions (and the "Warning Fanboy" loop you've gotten yourself into) you denigrate the point of this review. If you'd made the review and left it as it is and didn't make a personal attack on everyone that didn't agree with it you could have walked out of the room with your dignity intact. Unfortunately you've proven yourself time and time again that your comments are not about democratically putting across valid points of a piece of music, but rather constantly forcing your tastes upon other people and berating them for thinking otherwise (with your now uniquely stylised and recognisable mix of sarcasm and rhetoric). The moment you categorised everyone into 3 pidgeonholes and declared that as a formula to which everyone WILL adhere too was your lowest moment on this review thread. You can't seem to get your mind away from this album and the need to make everyone feel the way you do.
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Vonpire
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30.09.2011 - 14:44Rating: 10
They call me Draconian fanboy.
I called them Warning fanboys.
What's the difference???
Besides that i clearly stated the "I think I found the formula"
I didn't said it was for anyone to adhere to that. *g*
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Written by Vonpire on 30.09.2011 at 14:44
They call me Draconian fanboy.
I called them Warning fanboys.
What's the difference???
Taking the higher ground, that's the difference. You wrote a review. Don't turn this into an endless, cyclical one-upmanship festival of responding to the everything that doesn't fit with your views with nonsense drivel and personal attacks. The professionals don't do it.
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Slayer666
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Written by Vonpire on 30.09.2011 at 13:54
If you Love Gothic and like Doom - You'll think it's perfect
Nope. Along with black metal, gothic and doom are by far my favorite subgenres of metal, and I still think the album is decent at best.
I've no problem with you writing a review where you call this album the best thing since toilet-parer, nor do I care if you score it 11/10. But when trying to defend your opinion, do refrain from personal attacks and quoiting "professional" reviews. Draconian is a big band, of course the "professional" reviews are going to praise the shit out of it, it's their fucking job.
Written by [user id=4365] on 30.09.2011 at 14:35
With every snipey, negative comment you make about other people and their own opinions (and the "Warning Fanboy" loop you've gotten yourself into) you denigrate the point of this review. If you'd made the review and left it as it is and didn't make a personal attack on everyone that didn't agree with it you could have walked out of the room with your dignity intact. Unfortunately you've proven yourself time and time again that your comments are not about democratically putting across valid points of a piece of music, but rather constantly forcing your tastes upon other people and berating them for thinking otherwise (with your now uniquely stylised and recognisable mix of sarcasm and rhetoric). The moment you categorised everyone into 3 pidgeonholes and declared that as a formula to which everyone WILL adhere too was your lowest moment on this review thread. You can't seem to get your mind away from this album and the need to make everyone feel the way you do.
This.
And for god's sake, Joe, switch your username back. >_<
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Written by Slayer666 on 30.09.2011 at 14:48
And for god's sake, Joe, switch your username back. >_<
I don't know what this "Joe" thing is. I am Zoidberg. Whoop.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Vonpire on 30.09.2011 at 14:44
They call me Draconian fanboy.
I called them Warning fanboys.
What's the difference???
We don't cry when people attack our favourite band.
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Slayer666
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Written by [user id=4365] on 30.09.2011 at 14:51
Written by Slayer666 on 30.09.2011 at 14:48
And for god's sake, Joe, switch your username back. >_<
I don't know what this "Joe" thing is. I am Zoidberg. Whoop.
Oh, sorry 'bout that. It's just that your profile and !T.O.O.T.H! obsession look mighty similar to this one looser I know.
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Vonpire
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30.09.2011 - 15:06Rating: 10
The only word that pops to my mind right now is ridiculous... Don't know why's that..
And please, no more spam. I guess it's enough.
Your point has been made.
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Cassian
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.09.2011 at 11:45
Written by Cassian on 30.09.2011 at 09:39
I prefer this review to the previous one because it is much fairer and more objective.
And why is that? Because you happen to agree with this one and disagree with the other review?
Yes, and I happen to "judge" from a Draconian fan's viewpoint. So what's wrong with that? If you dislike it then say it. If you're not a fan and you think this album sucks, just give it a low rate and walk away.
I think the whole fanboy things are ridiculous. Nonsense. You listen to Black metal, for example, and criticise Gothic-Doom metal fans for praising a Gothic-Doom album? So lame.
Just so you know, I listen to Melodic Death AND Gothic metal. I don't defend bands I dislike just because they are labelled Gothic. I dislike Poisonblack, that is. And I despise Forever Slave.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6101 |
30.09.2011 - 16:05Rating: 7
Having looked at this thread closely, I spotted one whiny snot-nosed prick who's completely impervious to ANY sensible argument about anything. I'm wondering now, maybe we should host a contest for users to find that person?
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Cassian on 30.09.2011 at 16:05
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.09.2011 at 11:45
Written by Cassian on 30.09.2011 at 09:39
I prefer this review to the previous one because it is much fairer and more objective.
And why is that? Because you happen to agree with this one and disagree with the other review?
Yes, and I happen to "judge" from a Draconian fan's viewpoint. So what's wrong with that? If you dislike it then say it. If you're not a fan and you think this album sucks, just give it a low rate and walk away.
I think the whole fanboy things are ridiculous. Nonsense. You listen to Black metal, for example, and criticise Gothic-Doom metal fans for praising a Gothic-Doom album? So lame.
Just so you know, I listen to Melodic Death AND Gothic metal. I don't defend bands I dislike just because they are labelled Gothic. I dislike Poisonblack, that is. And I despise Forever Slave.
But you call this one objective and Rozz'one not-objective, just because you are a fan of the album. A negative review cn be just as objective and Rozz's certainly is objective, also seeing the fact he is a fan of the band.
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