Written by Moosh666 on 15.06.2012 at 13:35

I think seeing trends made by corporations endorsing scenekids as a bad thing is very intelligent. We metalheads are not ignorant, we like different and new things, we however do not like poppy crap we've seen a million times. An except of musical progression in metal would probably be stuff like Crossover Thrash, or that banjo solo that the BLACK METAL BAND Taake did. Poppy emo crap is not musical progression, it's fucking selling out.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 15.06.2012 at 13:59

Written by Moosh666 on 15.06.2012 at 13:35

I think seeing trends made by corporations endorsing scenekids as a bad thing is very intelligent. We metalheads are not ignorant, we like different and new things, we however do not like poppy crap we've seen a million times. An except of musical progression in metal would probably be stuff like Crossover Thrash, or that banjo solo that the BLACK METAL BAND Taake did. Poppy emo crap is not musical progression, it's fucking selling out.

Hmmm yeah I don't hear any pop or emo hear and I'm not a Cryptopsy fan.

Written by Moosh666 on 15.06.2012 at 14:47
Ok 'Scene' or 'Metalcore'. I don't concern myself with that kind of music so I don't know the specifics.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 15.06.2012 at 15:28

Written by Moosh666 on 15.06.2012 at 14:47
Ok 'Scene' or 'Metalcore'. I don't concern myself with that kind of music so I don't know the specifics.

Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

Honestly. You aren't any better than anyone else just because you listen to music and are apparently "above" listening to "crap" like pop music - or in this case, "scene music" or metalcore. Admittedly this album was poorly executed and a desperate attempt for a band to remain relevant, jumping on a bandwagon for seemingly no other purpose than to reap the rewards of popularity and thus, achieving a decent cash flow. But that doesn't mean metalheads are in any way inherently intelligent.

Are you trying to tell me you've never come across an ignorant metalhead?

Written by Troy Killjoy on 15.06.2012 at 15:28

Written by Moosh666 on 15.06.2012 at 14:47
Ok 'Scene' or 'Metalcore'. I don't concern myself with that kind of music so I don't know the specifics.

Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

Honestly. You aren't any better than anyone else just because you listen to music and are apparently "above" listening to "crap" like pop music - or in this case, "scene music" or metalcore. Admittedly this album was poorly executed and a desperate attempt for a band to remain relevant, jumping on a bandwagon for seemingly no other purpose than to reap the rewards of popularity and thus, achieving a decent cash flow. But that doesn't mean metalheads are in any way inherently intelligent.

Are you trying to tell me you've never come across an ignorant metalhead?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.06.2012 at 15:35

Written by Troy Killjoy on 15.06.2012 at 15:28

Written by Moosh666 on 15.06.2012 at 14:47
Ok 'Scene' or 'Metalcore'. I don't concern myself with that kind of music so I don't know the specifics.

Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

Honestly. You aren't any better than anyone else just because you listen to music and are apparently "above" listening to "crap" like pop music - or in this case, "scene music" or metalcore. Admittedly this album was poorly executed and a desperate attempt for a band to remain relevant, jumping on a bandwagon for seemingly no other purpose than to reap the rewards of popularity and thus, achieving a decent cash flow. But that doesn't mean metalheads are in any way inherently intelligent.

Are you trying to tell me you've never come across an ignorant metalhead?

I love how the guys says metalheads like different and new things when he has Alestorm amongst his favourite bands or Be'lakor and quite a few other bands which at least in theeir current guise can't be considered different or new with any stretch of the imagination

Written by Moosh666 on 18.06.2012 at 11:42
...you sounded like you pitied them? I guess that is fair enough, making music you probably don't like to gain cash can make you feel dirty. I respect your opinion sir.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 00:17

Written by Moosh666 on 18.06.2012 at 11:42
...you sounded like you pitied them? I guess that is fair enough, making music you probably don't like to gain cash can make you feel dirty. I respect your opinion sir.

Let me set the record straight and tell you that I have no reason to pity these guys. I haven't enjoyed a great deal of their material in the past few years, but this album is an absolute shit-fest. It's definitely considered a sell-out release and I have no problem with that description, being that they reduced their technicality to a minimum, gave up their brutality, and wrote some of the most banal deathcore put to CD.

The only problem I had with this thread is your ignorant response about "pop" and "scene" music regarding the album.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 00:17

Written by Moosh666 on 18.06.2012 at 11:42
...you sounded like you pitied them? I guess that is fair enough, making music you probably don't like to gain cash can make you feel dirty. I respect your opinion sir.

Let me set the record straight and tell you that I have no reason to pity these guys. I haven't enjoyed a great deal of their material in the past few years, but this album is an absolute shit-fest. It's definitely considered a sell-out release and I have no problem with that description, being that they reduced their technicality to a minimum, gave up their brutality, and wrote some of the most banal deathcore put to CD.

The only problem I had with this thread is your ignorant response about "pop" and "scene" music regarding the album.

Written by Boxcar Willy on 19.06.2012 at 01:29

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 00:17

Written by Moosh666 on 18.06.2012 at 11:42
...you sounded like you pitied them? I guess that is fair enough, making music you probably don't like to gain cash can make you feel dirty. I respect your opinion sir.

Let me set the record straight and tell you that I have no reason to pity these guys. I haven't enjoyed a great deal of their material in the past few years, but this album is an absolute shit-fest. It's definitely considered a sell-out release and I have no problem with that description, being that they reduced their technicality to a minimum, gave up their brutality, and wrote some of the most banal deathcore put to CD.

The only problem I had with this thread is your ignorant response about "pop" and "scene" music regarding the album.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!



Anyway, I heard the first track of this and quit.

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 15:15
Haha. Well Pop is short for 'Popular Music', Deathcore is one form of Popular music at the moment right? And majority of the musicians in this genre (not all I admit) look like scenekids.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 15:49

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 15:15
Haha. Well Pop is short for 'Popular Music', Deathcore is one form of Popular music at the moment right? And majority of the musicians in this genre (not all I admit) look like scenekids.

Popular music is reserved for the likes of Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Adele, Bruno Mars, Justin Bieber... not deathcore bands. Sure the genre itself is a bit popular compared to others, but honestly heavy metal and power metal both have much wider audiences, so it's unfair to call deathcore a scenekid's genre when in reality more people listen to the likes of Nightwish and Children of Bodom.

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 15:15
I don't give a shit about offending people, music is a fucking objective art form.

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 16:18
I guess you're right there (the pop part), but I see you missed how I admitted they don't all look like scenekids? And I never said only scenekids listen to it, fuck no, I have mates who like that shit too. Ok all loose ends tied up here? Or are you still pissed at my 'ignorant' opinion?

Written by X-Ray Rod on 19.06.2012 at 16:28

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 15:15
I don't give a shit about offending people, music is a fucking objective art form.

Wtf does this mean? Every single art form is subjective, NOT objective.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 16:33

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 16:18
I guess you're right there (the pop part), but I see you missed how I admitted they don't all look like scenekids? And I never said only scenekids listen to it, fuck no, I have mates who like that shit too. Ok all loose ends tied up here? Or are you still pissed at my 'ignorant' opinion?

I'm not pissed, and I do still think your opinion on deathcore is based on ignorance, but I suppose a lot of people hate on it just because the genre is gaining popularity and, as you pointed out, the majority of deathcore fans are scene kids.

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 16:39
What? No, I hate it because it sounds like fucking Pop Punk crap with whiny screaming and breakdowns added in, can't fucking stand it. I don't give a shit how popular something is, if I don't like it then I don't fucking like it.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 16:43

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 16:39
What? No, I hate it because it sounds like fucking Pop Punk crap with whiny screaming and breakdowns added in, can't fucking stand it. I don't give a shit how popular something is, if I don't like it then I don't fucking like it.

Okay champ calm down, it's just a discussion. If you're hearing pop punk (Blink-182, Sum 41, Simple Plan) in deathcore then I'm sorry to say you have a very odd sense of hearing. Yes the screams can sometimes come off as whiny, even though the focus is on either pig squeals and/or death metal growls, and yes there are boatloads of breakdowns, but deathcore has no ties whatsoever to pop punk. It's hard to believe you don't like it based purely on what it sounds like being that you think it sounds like the three bands I mentioned above rather than disliking it due to its popularity and teenage scene kid appeal.

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 16:53
Well it's mainly the clean vocals they put in that sound Pop Punk-ish, and sometimes the riffs sound kind of like it, although those riffs are used fuckload more in Metalcore. I rarely hear any growling in the bands I've encountered but when I do they bark some shit, then scream it, then cliche boy band singing comes in, then breakdown. But that's pretty much how I made the connection, yes sounds rather ignorant but I hear what I hear. Maybe I'm thinking more of Metalcore (in terms of the clean vocals)?

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 17:00
Killswitch Engage

Written by X-Ray Rod on 19.06.2012 at 17:11
Man, this is awful. But yey for Converge... All Shall Perish is not that bad at all. I specially enjoyed their latest which I wrote for the awards.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 17:15

As for All Shall Perish, I never really dug their sound, but it helps when you're one of the genre's pioneers... they were setting the trend at that point, not following it.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 19.06.2012 at 17:19
My favorite Deathcore band is Ion Dissonance and that band is probably not even deathcore!

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 17:22

Written by X-Ray Rod on 19.06.2012 at 17:19
My favorite Deathcore band is Ion Dissonance and that band is probably not even deathcore!

Well their death metal leaning is blatant, and they play technical metalcore. Their songs are composed with more thought and executed with a little more precision and effort than is traditional of metalcore - especially melodic metalcore and deathcore.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 17:00

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 16:53
Well it's mainly the clean vocals they put in that sound Pop Punk-ish, and sometimes the riffs sound kind of like it, although those riffs are used fuckload more in Metalcore. I rarely hear any growling in the bands I've encountered but when I do they bark some shit, then scream it, then cliche boy band singing comes in, then breakdown. But that's pretty much how I made the connection, yes sounds rather ignorant but I hear what I hear. Maybe I'm thinking more of Metalcore (in terms of the clean vocals)?

I think you might be getting your genres mixed up, as you pointed out.

Here's an example of metalcore:



Here's an example of melodic metalcore:



And here's an example of deathcore:



Now here's an example of pop punk:

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 18:06
I still can't stand them, people seem to think just because the band is less known then let's say, Killswitch Engage, it means it's good.

I've listened to all these bands you've mentioned with Mr. Doctor, and I personally can't stand any of it, I like what I like. Why can't anyone just stop shoving this shit down my throat?

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 18:11

Written by Moosh666 on 19.06.2012 at 18:06
I still can't stand them, people seem to think just because the band is less known then let's say, Killswitch Engage, it means it's good.

I've listened to all these bands you've mentioned with Mr. Doctor, and I personally can't stand any of it, I like what I like. Why can't anyone just stop shoving this shit down my throat?

Again, you seem to focus on the popularity of a band rather than the sound. The purpose of the videos was pointing out the differences in sound, not to "force shit down your throat". I don't even like any of those tracks myself, with the exception of Converge, but I was trying to illustrate a point. My apologies for trying to oppress you with knowledge. Carry on.