Overhauls, Transitions, Metamorphoses
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Well, I've seen lots of lists here and I have to say, a noticeable percentage of these lists are great references for anyone interested in music, but I noticed that something new was missing.
What I'm going to do here, is to gather a lot of bands that have gone through major overhauls and transitions in their music, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEIR MUSIC IS GOOD OR NOT. As this list is going to be informative, your suggestions and participation is GREATLY APPRECIATED so yeah, it's not your typical favorite album/artist list, it's not your typical best of X, it's going to be done using information. I'm gonna put a HALL OF FAME for more prominent bands and artists in the scene, although it's more of a blacklist as they won't be added to our list as to make way for lesser known cases. If you have any other suggestions for the HALL OF FAME, then you're welcome. I would sort out the list based on alphabets once we reach a certain number. HALL OF FAME: ================== Avenged Sevenfold - Metalcore to heavy metal. Alcest - Primitive black Metal to shoegazing atmospheric black pop rock or whatever that is. Amon Amarth - Grindcore, then Johan Hegg happened. Amorphis - Death metal to a blend of progressive, folk and heavy metal. Anathema - Death/doom pioneer goes soft and ethereal. Anthrax - The critically acclaimed New Yorkers turned alternative for a short period of time, but we can still blame them for rap metal. Bathory - Proto-black metal influenced by Motorhead, became a pioneer of viking metal. Behemoth - (I'll take the MSer's words for this one) Blackened death metal and of course black metal to death metal. Burzum - Early black metal to skaldic ambient music. Celtic Frost - Speed/death/thrash metal to gothic/doom metal. Cradle Of Filth - black metal (with elements of death metal) to gothic or extreme metal. Cryptopsy - "The Unspoken King" speaks for itself. Cynic - Early prog death days overshadowed by a soothing jazz fusion approach. Death - Obvious even for the average non-metalheads. Pure death metal to progressive extreme metal. Dimmu Borgir - Symphonic elements were added later to their Norwegian brand of black metal. Emperor - Dimmu Borgir syndrome. Empyrium - Added more acoustic guitar to their music. Entombed - A classic death metal act...suddenly Death N Roll happens. Seriously? In Flames - I don't even wanna mention what happened there. Judas Priest -From blues rock into heavy metal. Katatonia - Black/doom, later playing alternative gothic metal. Kreator - The industrial experimentations in the 90's were a departure from their teutonic thrash metal sound. Led Zeppelin - Just like what happened with Judas Priest Machine Head - Supercharger. Mayhem - Experimentation, unorthodox transitions, still haunted for not being kvlt anymore. Metallica - Horseman becomes the table. Thrash metal to...modern heavy/thrash metal. Everyone knows Load and ReLoad but in case you don't, in that period Metallica was hard rock. Megadeth - Thrash metal to...wait, hard rock? Dave's so angry, he can make everyone disappear by closing his eyes. Moonspell - Black metal to symphonic gothic metal or whatever you wanna name it. Morbid Angel- We love you, guys. But we hate industrial death metal, it's as bad as Illud Divinum Insanus. Neurosis - Hardcore evolving into "post-metal/tribal" music. Opeth - Progressive extreme metal to 70's rock. Pain Of Salvation - Taking prog music to a whole new level. Pantera - Glam, glam, glam. Alright, just the visuals, but the music was more of a bright heavy/hard rock mania anyway. Paradise Lost - death/doom to electro/gothic and then back to normal, ordinary gothic Sepultura - Brazilian music is fine, guys. Unfortunately we miss your early thrash albums.  Type O Negative- I'm not sure if "Slow, Deep and Hard" can be considered hardcore gothic or gothic thrash. But that's how they evolved into this industrial/gothic doom band everyone's so fascinated by. Ulver - Early black/folk metal to avant-garde chamber music. ================
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104  |
Okay, forget I mentioned Empyrium, Paradise Lost, Anathema, Katatonia and Opeth (as I now understand the point of the Hall of Fame). That leaves you Summoning, Sirenia (not sure about this one), Theatre of Tragedy and Alcest to check out/add. 
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by mz on 08.11.2013 at 23:26 Heritage is a bad Opeth album but still a decent album at best, so I agree. Most of their albums are totally brilliant though.
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Guest on 08.11.2013 at 23:30 They know what they are doing? Sorry, but what does that even mean?  To me it's clear Mikael lost his ability to make brillant music in the last couple of years. Watershed was the first step towards their decline and Heritage is way worse. I fear what their 2014 album has in store for us... hopefully he'll suprise us again but I'm doubtful of this.
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| Monolithic ♠♠♠ Posts: 668  |
Quote: It will be done once I reach 30 or something like that. I have to count them now. 
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| Monolithic ♠♠♠ Posts: 668 |
As for this on-going Opeth debate, I would say I do enjoy Heritage but not as an Opeth album. I gave it an 8 back then but if I wanted to change that, I would change it to 7. Written by Syk on 08.11.2013 at 12:43 Well, now it seems more serious business than ever. :/ But still, thanks for the new suggestions. I'll add them soon enough.
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Account deleted Written by Erik M. on 09.11.2013 at 01:47 And then Mikael comes with amazing prog death album that will blow every mind:P
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071  |
Written by Erik M. on 09.11.2013 at 01:03 Mmmm, no, NOT suddenly, because Shades Of God was already a huge departue from 'Gothic' and already had loads of stuff in it which was further worked out on Icon. The move from Gothic to Icon was a gradual one and totally not an unexpected one since Icon sounds like a more polished version of most of Shades Of God. And please read, which I didn't do so why I mentioned Anathem, PL and Katatonia as well, the description why they aren't in his list but are in the Hall Of Fame
---- Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight Dawn Crosby (r.i.p.) 05.04.1963 - 15.12.1996 
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| Risto Wandering Midget Posts: 1115  |
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071 |
In addition to my post just now where I quoted Erik. I've relistened to the first four Paradise Lost albums and the change in sound from Gothic to Shades Of God is far greater than from Shades Of God to Icon. I con really is a very logical follow-up to Shades Of God whereas Shades of God isn't that at all to Gothic.
---- Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight Dawn Crosby (r.i.p.) 05.04.1963 - 15.12.1996
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| Monolithic ♠♠♠ Posts: 668 |
Written by Risto on 09.11.2013 at 15:47 Added. Thanks! I'll check your reviews as well. PS: iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Monolithic on 09.11.2013 at 07:31 Good to see you added my suggestions, so my +1 is well-deserved. About Sirenia: they already changed a lot on the 3rd album. And it's indeed a mistake because the first two albums (especially the debut) were great. Listened to Alcest's debut this evening and there's no BM at all in that album or I might just not hear it. It's 100% post-metal/shoegaze if you ask me. Oh, and I also have given Heritage a 7 by the way. All the other albums are 8-10, so it seems about a right score.
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Guest on 09.11.2013 at 10:15 Well, that would certainly be awesome. But I don't think it's going to happen, sadly.
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.11.2013 at 14:48 Okay, fair enough. I guess that's true. In any case Shades of God was the last album that can be called death doom, so I still think the difference between Shades of God and Icon is the biggest. Icon and Draconian Times are very similar in style, as are the first two albums (yet still different, I know). For the record, I read most (or all) of the comments after I posted my message, so I indeed noticed you mentioned all those bands already. But I did read the description but somehow kind of missed the Hall of Fame's purpose. Weird I know, but in my defense, I was extremely tired yesterday.
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.11.2013 at 17:24 Oh I see. It's been a while since I listened to most of these. I just said the biggest difference is from SoG to Icon, but as you just re-listened them you're probably right.
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| Monolithic ♠♠♠ Posts: 668 |
Written by Erik M. on 09.11.2013 at 23:51 Well I really thank you for that. To make you even more satisfied with the list, I'm gonna sort it out tomorrow.  I've reached the amount of artists I wanted so  Written by Erik M. on 09.11.2013 at 23:51 Maybe you were referring to their first EP, Le Secret. I changed the score I gave to some albums, Opeth included. I'm beginning to think that I've become more aware and picky about judging an album while retaining a taste of my own, I would have MS to thank for helping me to reach maturity in this case.  
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Monolithic on 10.11.2013 at 00:14 Don't mention it. Good to know you'll alphabetize (is that even a word?  ) the list. It will surely be better then I think.Quote: Nope, I wasn't referring to their EP, but to the full length debut album. But thanks for reminding me I need to listen to Le Secret because I still haven't done that.  I have also become more critical when it comes to rating albums, although I still easily hand out 9's and 8's. 10's are only for albums that are truly remarkable and blow me away, so haven't given a lot of those.
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| Monolithic ♠♠♠ Posts: 668 |
Written by Erik M. on 10.11.2013 at 00:24 It is done + Gorguts added. PS: yep, that's a word. No doubt about it.
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Monolithic on 10.11.2013 at 08:48 Haha, never used that word before I think but it seemed right to me... anyway, the list is definitely not annoying anymore now.
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| Auntie Sahar Drone Empress Elite Posts: 5941  |
How can you not have Bathory on this list? Seems almost obvious to me, Qurthon pretty much pioneered two subgenres of metal, and the transition from their black to viking metal sound was very blatant.
---- I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go. ~ II. VII
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| Monolithic ♠♠♠ Posts: 668 |
Written by Auntie Sahar on 12.11.2013 at 23:45 If you read the description, They're on the Hall of Fame section up there since pretty much everyone know about them. But now that you mentioned, I'm thinking about merging the list with the hall of fame since I realized that I've been quite subjective to choose the candidates although I'm pretty busy (and lazy) to do it for now.
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| Syk myspace/bonerama Posts: 1504  |
Written by Monolithic on 13.11.2013 at 07:27Mm na, I reckon this is one of those lists that work better with only a few dozen entries, not hundreds. The HoF is kind of a good idea - most of them can just be found on the standard bands index, sorted by popularity/number of fans. I'm still not sure about Judas Priest... have you heard their first release? Then the later changes through the last 35 years... they might be too minor for you to add (poppy, then speedy, then kinda symphonic... maybe wait for the next album). I'm listening yet again to Deep Purple's self-titled, and they may or may not be a candidate. I'd prob add Zep first though. Edenbridge?Written by Auntie Sahar on 12.11.2013 at 23:45If you read the description, They're on the Hall of Fame section up there since pretty much everyone know about them.
---- death ? thrash ? death/doom/prog ? Hail Zoldon! he's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays
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| Monolithic ♠♠♠ Posts: 668 |
Written by Syk on 13.11.2013 at 10:49 Good point. I'm a bit reluctant so summing up all the facts to come up with a decision may take some time. As for Judas Priest, I'd prefer to wait for their next album. It's true that they evolved into heavy metal but imo it was more of a common feature among heavy metal bands that were formed back then. They've always had that heavy metal sound. Led Zeppelin? hmmm...added.
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| Auntie Sahar Drone Empress Elite Posts: 5941 |
Written by Monolithic on 13.11.2013 at 07:27 Aaah yes, sorry, didn't see that.
---- I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go. ~ II. VII
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Monolithic on 13.11.2013 at 07:27 I'd say definitely add those Hall of Fame bands to the real list, because some (if not most) people will simply not even look at it (like Apothecary, as he admitted in the comment above), which might be a reason why the list isn't more popular, because I do think it's a very good and original list (NOT cliché! ). I don't entirely agree with what Syk says. So what if most of the bands in the Hall of Fame are popular? That doesn't mean everyone knows them very well because everyone has different tastes. Hell, I'm unfamiliar with the music of lots of those bands. Adding a desciption to their changes in style might make me more interested in them, but right now (those bands being in the HoF) it doesn't interest me one bit.
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Guest on 23.11.2013 at 01:16 Constantine just proved what I said in my previous comment.
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| Monolithic ♠♠♠ Posts: 668 |
Written by Guest on 23.11.2013 at 01:16 Alright. It is settled the. I'll write some sort of description for the Hall of Fame bands as well. Written by Erik M. on 23.11.2013 at 01:38 Damn you. 
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| Monolithic ♠♠♠ Posts: 668 |
Written by Guest on 23.11.2013 at 12:34 That's a mystery. I keep finding Marcel all the time.
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Monolithic on 23.11.2013 at 08:07 Constantine is actually just another account of mine that I created just to convince you of adding those HoF to the real list. You want proof? Look at the one list of Constantine which contains only albums that are among my favourites. I threw one album in there that I don't like (Anathema - Eternity) just to make it less obvious, but I guess I just blew my own cover now.
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Guest on 23.11.2013 at 12:34 Yes... why indeed?
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| Erik M. Posts: 3104 |
Written by Monolithic on 23.11.2013 at 13:49 Yes, but Marcel is all over MS (forums, reviews, shoutbox, albums, lists etc.) whereas I am not on the forums and also don't comment much on reviews.
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