Classical Music

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Posted by Icewings, 22.05.2006 - 02:56
Well as you might know , I love and respect music to the fullest ... I think that classical music is one of the most important types of music , thanks to them many forms and kind of notation develope , and well the influences even in modern music are clear ..I think classical music is amazing .. and well I love the all from early early classical music to modern , I think there's great composer :Mozart,Vivaldi,debussy,Monteveri in others ...

So let's discuss your opinions on classical music ..
17.03.2011 - 18:26
Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.03.2011 at 16:42

It's a known fact that all musicians, not just ones within the metal scene, take influence from and even use classical music in their songwriting process. Sometimes it's only a few seconds, a minute - sometimes it's a carbon copy of the original version as an intro or interlude or name it.

And there's a reason why. While I don't necessarily like classical music, I definitely understand its complexity. Musicians this day and age simply cannot create anything that outdoes the majesty of classical music.

For instance, The Beatles are considered a "classic band". On the metal side of things, people hear "classic band" and think Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin for hard rock...

Now compare any of their songs to say...something written by Beethoven? Bach? Rachmaninoff? Vivaldi? Dvorak? The list goes on, and modern musicianship continues to pale in comparison.


I wager a bigger reason is that the tunes are familiar, respected rather universally and, most importantly, public domain. Borrowing some classical composer also gives you an air of musical legitimacy.

I don't agree with your analysis of modern music, anyway. Even before listening to any music for comparison, it seems immediately suspicious that humans would have somehow changed in the last few centuries and lost their ability to compose and arrange complex, skilled and beautiful music. That seems so uncredible that it's better to look for other explanations.

First, there's the issue of volume. The classical composers we look up to are a handful of stand-outs from a period of half a millenia. It stands to reason the average skill of recording artists in the last half a century isn't quite up to the same standards. Especially in a day when anyone can make music.

Secondly, there's the issue of genres: you gave examples of popular music. It's hardly fair to compare the complexity of a blues-based four-piece band like Black Sabbath whose fame is based on pioneering a sound and atmosphere to a symphony arranged for a 100-piece orchestra.

This extends to modern art (or "classical") music as well. The trend of the 20th and 21st centuries has been to go for a minimalistic aesthetic. The greatest composers of our time, like Arvo Pärt, Steve Reich, Philip Glass or John Cage have taken modern approaches to their music and never intended to write anything like Mozart. I have no doubt they wouldn't have been able to, had they wanted. Off the top of my head, I can't imagine many classical pieces more breathtaking than Pärt's Fratres, Glass's Einstein On The Beach or Reich's Drumming, Electric Counterpoint or Music For 18 Musicians. People like Astor Piazolla and Kimmo Pohjonen make very innovative things with their instruments. And then there are dozens of younger composers who haven't reached huge fame but have composed plenty of amazing film soundtracks, music for contemporary dance and traditional solo albums. Max Richter, Peter Broderick, Johann Johannsson, Gavin Bryars etc.

So yeah, I don't think music was any better before. It's true that you won't hear too much music like Mozart, Haydn or Bach from modern composers, but that's due to trends in style and aesthetic, not any lack of skill and potential in modern composers.
20.03.2011 - 12:45
Gurth Bennas
Before I like metal I was a great fan of Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Vivaldi etc (of course I'm still prejudiced). even I have a blog about classical musics but it's in persian and you can see its address in my profile. I like 4 seasons of vivaldi and almost every music(masterpieces) of Mozart and Beethoven.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul

(One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them)
23.03.2011 - 05:13
LOVE IT, Vivaldi being some of my favorite stuff any genre, ever.
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23.03.2011 - 08:53
Hmm its really nice dude. I love it a lot.
25.03.2011 - 04:54
Pagan Angel
I'm just getting into Sibelius. I've been listening to a lot of Eastern European classical and metal music lately. It is sort of awesome of how well they go together.
25.03.2011 - 05:07
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Would somebody be generous enough to reccomend some classical composers that write fast, minor key music, preferably as part of a symphony of some sort?
16.04.2011 - 20:15
Beethoven is my favorite so far.
09.05.2011 - 19:37
Aluminum Alloy
There's a lot of love for the old stuff here (and duly warranted), but what do you guys think of neoclassical?

Olafur Arnalds' Eulogy for Evolution blew me away when I got it a few months ago
Here at the edge of this world
Here I gaze at a pantheon of oak, a citadel of stone
If this grand panorama before me is what you call God...
Then God is not dead
09.05.2011 - 23:14
Written by Aluminum Alloy on 09.05.2011 at 19:37

There's a lot of love for the old stuff here (and duly warranted), but what do you guys think of neoclassical?

Olafur Arnalds' Eulogy for Evolution blew me away when I got it a few months ago

Going to advertise my topic:
Ambient/Drone/Modern Classical

I like Olafur Arnalds. Not my favorite by a long shot, but he's solid stuff. For new stuff you might appreciate, check out NOW Ensemble's Awake and Julia Kent's Green And Grey, off the top of my head. There are other good albums this year, too. Gotta get back to you on that.
28.12.2012 - 16:57
Making a list of classical covers or tributes in metal

any suggestions / recommendations welcome
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22.01.2013 - 09:33
Nihil's Maw
Written by Guest on 25.03.2011 at 05:07

Would somebody be generous enough to reccomend some classical composers that write fast, minor key music, preferably as part of a symphony of some sort?

I don't know of any composer that does only that, but I think you might enjoy this song:

You may also be interested to know that the lyrics translate roughly to:
"When the accused are confounded,
and doomed to flames of woe,
call me among the blessed.

I kneel with submissive heart,
my contrition is like ashes,
help me in my final condition."
02.02.2013 - 05:35
Does anyone have in mind any good album/compilation with guitar-driven classical music? More specifically, some mediterranean-like tunes.
If it's not completely guitar-driven but it's really good I can take the recommendation as well

Something like this:
11.03.2013 - 11:52
Aram Khachaturian is an Soviet-Armenian composer , his powerful symphonies closer to metal i think my favorite works from him is

Symphony N3 (Symphony Poema) 1947



Sympony N2 (The Bells) 1943

Triumphal Poema 1950
Urartu is a NeoHittite and ProtoArmenian kingdom !!
21.08.2013 - 17:48
Hello guys..I am new at this forum..I want to become musician but i am have no idea that where i can go for learn the music classes.At the end i decide to learn online classes of the music you peoples help me and tell me that which is the best online learn site...Thanks
10.10.2013 - 11:58
Frank Comstock
Anybody a fan of Debussy? I'm currently listening to Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun.
"You travel within the glory of my memories, insect. I can feel your fear as you tread the endless expanse of my mind. Make yourself comfortable... before long I will decorate my home with your carcass."
25.07.2014 - 16:04

English translation:

In the hothouse

High-vaulted crowns of leaves,
Canopies of emerald,
You children of distant zones,
Tell me, why do you lament?

Silently you bend your branches,
Draw signs in the air,
And the mute witness to your anguish -
A sweet fragrance - rises.

In desirous longing, wide
You open your arms,
And embrace through insane predilection
The desolate, empty, horrible void.

I know well, poor plants,
A fate that we share,
Though we bathe in light and radiance,
Our homeland is not here!

And how gladly the sun departs
From the empty gleam of the day,
He veils himself, he who suffers truly,
In the darkness of silence.

It becomes quiet, a whispered stirring
Fills uneasily the dark room:
Heavy drops I see hovering
On the green edge of the leaves.

I would prefer not to.
03.12.2014 - 17:18
05.07.2015 - 23:01
I used to be into modern music, i.e. anything after and including the impressionists. (As you may notice in my earlier posts.) But lately I have been more interested in pre-classical (medieval, renaissance and baroque) stuff, especially vocal music. There is nothing quite so out-of-this-world as the vocal polyphony of a Tallis, Byrd or Palestrina piece.

Vocal music, in general, I find underrated. There's an amazing chamber choir in Finland, Lumen valo, specialising in older music but also some newer pieces. Here's their performance of Morten Lauridsen's modern masterpiece:

The Romantics had their moments, too:

And finally, The King's Singers are awesome. They have their less interesting moments (a cappella versions of pop hits), but here's a great medieval Christmas carol:
16.08.2015 - 04:05
Written by Frank Comstock on 10.10.2013 at 11:58
Anybody a fan of Debussy? I'm currently listening to Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun.

I am. One of the most creative and original composers I've heard.
20.12.2016 - 21:08
The Planets from Gustav Holts destroys the world,