I'm sorry Mary there is not one shred of darkwave in this. The tags are correct, it's symphonic. There isn't any metal though. It's lyrical singing with fake organs behind. I stopped at the end of track five though. So you were right, I don't like it at all, but not for the reasons you stated .

Written by Ilham on 09.11.2014 at 03:10

I'm sorry Mary there is not one shred of darkwave in this. The tags are correct, it's symphonic. There isn't any metal though. It's lyrical singing with fake organs behind. I stopped at the end of track five though. So you were right, I don't like it at all, but not for the reasons you stated .

haha ok I could predict that you wouldn't like it at all, but our votes are far different. Yup, it isn't metal at all but I can't see how it's not darkwave, to me they're neoclassical and darkwave.

I'm sorry, but I think you are mistaken about what darkwave is. I'll give you three examples of darkwave throughout the years. Of course it's a style difficult to pinpoint, so it's most of the time associated with other adjectives.

The origin: this is post-punk/goth rock, but this is how it started in the early eighties:



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Then mostly bands like Dead Can Dance gave it a real shape during the mid/late eighties:



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And finally it evolved in the 90s to become this nowadays:



About neoclassical, Autumn Tears aren't either. Just because someone is playing cheesy synths behind a goth lyrical singer doesn't make it neoclassical. If it were, we could call Dimmu Borgir neoclassical bm. It's just symphonic.

This is neoclassical:

awwwwwww, I have so much homework , thank you for educating me.

Haha, no, I don't have that pretentiousness, just sharing what I know. And I'm sure you'll like all of those bands .

Written by Ilham on 09.11.2014 at 14:00

Haha, no, I don't have that pretentiousness, just sharing what I know. And I'm sure you'll like all of those bands .

Nope nope you're pretentious ( just kidding) Anyhow, give me sometime I can't open youtube links on my pc and for now I prefer to keep myself away of my phone, I have some actual homework to do

Written by Ilham on 09.11.2014 at 13:12
I'm sorry, but I think you are mistaken about what darkwave is.

Random question: Would you call Sopor Aeternus darkwave? Well, not ALL her stuff but I *think* some of it has darkwave on it.

Just making sure.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 09.11.2014 at 16:19

Random question: Would you call Sopor Aeternus darkwave? Well, not ALL her stuff but I *think* some of it has darkwave on it.

Just making sure.

Yeah totally. But that's my opinion. She goes from pure gothic to darkwave and mixes both. I myself am not too much of a fan, she sometimes goes too "folky" for my taste. That crazy witch.

I think I have heard Bauhaus lots of times without really knowing the band by name, but their music, images and vidoes are so familiar. However, thanks for bringing it up here as I'm enjoying it big time.
I'm not trying to tell that I exactly know what it is neoclassical or darkwave but I already knew these bands, Dead Can Dance and Elend also their songs. Yeah in some ways I was not a clear of what it is called darkwave or neoclassical, but I think there is another subgenere which is " neoclassical darkwave " and that is referring to music like DCD and Elend, on the other hand I still think that Autumn Tears can fall under this sub-genre, though it has "cheesy synths with lyrical goth singer" . It can't be symphonic music either, then maybe it would be gothic. However, I would like to know what makes it being far from being neolcassical darkwave.
BTW, it wasn't that bad to vote 4, Ilham

Written by angel. on 17.11.2014 at 15:28

I think I have heard Bauhaus lots of times without really knowing the band by name, but their music, images and vidoes are so familiar. However, thanks for bringing it up here as I'm enjoying it big time.
I'm not trying to tell that I exactly know what it is neoclassical or darkwave but I already knew these bands, Dead Can Dance and Elend also their songs. Yeah in some ways I was not a clear of what it is called darkwave or neoclassical, but I think there is another subgenere which is " neoclassical darkwave " and that is referring to music like DCD and Elend, on the other hand I still think that Autumn Tears can fall under this sub-genre, though it has "cheesy synths with lyrical goth singer" . It can't be symphonic music either, then maybe it would be gothic. However, I would like to know what makes it being far from being neolcassical darkwave.
BTW, it wasn't that bad to vote 4, Ilham

If I can't even go through one of their songs without wishing I wasn't a bit of a genre-nerd sometimes and thus wouldn't have started this discussion that forces me to listen to this, then I'd have given it more than 3 .

I think you're overly complicating things so as to salvage your denomination. There is absolutely no darkwave in Elend or this. And even less darkwave in Elend than in Autumn Tears. Darkwave is originally a twist on post-punk and gothic rock, and most of the time modern darkwave involves electronic touches. And neoclassical is a re-work on classical structures with or without the use of orchestrations behind. That's why it's called NEOclassical, there is nothing neo here, apart for the new level of cheese this album has attained. Once again putting a piece of classically played piano or synths in an album doesn't make it neoclassical. The MS genre tag is completely right apart from the fact there is zero metal in this. This is symphonic gothic, and nothing else. If you don't agree, we can agree to leave it here because you're apparently adamant on seeing darkwave and neoclassical where there is absolutely none .

Written by Ilham on 17.11.2014 at 15:50

If I can't even go through one of their songs without wishing I wasn't a bit of a genre-nerd sometimes and thus wouldn't have started this discussion that forces me to listen to this, then I'd have given it more than 3 .

BUT... it's even lowered to 3 ! OK I, however, leave it here.