This album is hauntingly beautiful, the best album for me to relax and calmly drive home to after having an exhausting day. It's also soothing to sleep to. One of my favorites from Ulver for sure!

Written by [user id=35732] on 15.08.2013 at 21:03

Preparing myself for Messe by listening to this timeless classic and possibly watching their DVD later.

Timeless classic? It's not even 6 years old.

Written by [user id=35732] on 15.08.2013 at 21:15

It still sounds excellent, and I've been listening to this a lot since the release. So test of time timeless, you know. Let's not talk about time, and how timeless is just a.... okey?

But the term "classic" should be reserved for albums (or whatever) that are both old and universally lauded. Modern classic would be an acceptable variation of that, but to be honest I would hardly say that this record is a classic. Quite a few Ulver fans find it to be quite the bore, so certainly not a universally accepted album. To call an album that you personally like a "timeless classic" is a tad arrogant if you ask me

Written by [user id=35732] on 15.08.2013 at 21:24

Classic for me. For my brain. Not giving classic stamps and offering it as a 'staff pick' as a 'classic'. That's different. "Quite a few", I don't give a fuck

But yeah, I think you are having fun too, while replying. I hope you get my view, though.

I'm sure you told me that you were into metal when you were very young, mid 90's or thereabouts. I don't really see how an album as young as this could fall under the "classic" rubric. Any definition of the word tends not to fit, unless you're changing the meaning to suit yourself of course.

I won't call it a classic, but i've loved the album since release as well.

I think the term classic should be strictly reserved for objective judgements of quality. Hell, it's one of the few buzzwords that actually relate to it. (Hence my defensiveness over its use).

Written by [user id=35732] on 15.08.2013 at 21:42

Well, it's the same way I felt about albums such as Paradise Lost - Icon, etc.

Once you truly resonate with something, it swallows you. And whenever you visit that state, you shall drown in comfort.

And it's personal classic. Not talking about the effect it managed to create, and so, what's the classic you're talking about.

I also didn't write down the word 'personal' 'cause it's quite the same thing as writing "in my opinion" every time.

As per my comment above yours, for me the use of a term such as "personal classic" is something of an oxymoron, as classic is something is something that comes in to being when considered by a mass of people (to be great), therefore transcending the personal (the subjective).

Definition of CLASSIC

1
a : serving as a standard of excellence : of recognized value <classic literary works>
b : traditional, enduring <classic designs>
c : characterized by simple tailored lines in fashion year after year <a classic suit>
2
: of or relating to the ancient Greeks and Romans or their culture : classical
3
a : historically memorable <a classic battle>
b : noted because of special literary or historical associations <Paris is the classic refuge of expatriates>
4
a : authentic, authoritative
b : typical <a classic example of chicanery> <a classic error>
5
capitalized : of or relating to the period of highest development of Mesoamerican and especially Mayan culture about a.d. 300-900
See classic defined for English-language learners "
See classic defined for kids "



1clas·sic /ˈklæsɪk/ adjective
[more classic; most classic] 1 a ? used to say that something has come to be considered one of the best of its kind ▪ classic novels/movies ▪ a classic case study on hysteria ▪ He collects classic cars.
b ? used to say that something is an example of excellence ▪ His winning goal was classic.
c ? used to describe something that has been popular for a long time ▪ classic board games ▪ The recipe is a new version of a classic dish. ▪ a radio station that plays classic rock [=rock music from the past that is still popular]
2 : having a graceful design with simple lines
▪ She prefers classic furniture designs. ▪ It's a classic suit that won't go out of style. ▪ I like the car's classic contours.
3 : very typical
▪ The battle was a classic example/case of poor planning. ▪ a classic error ▪ (informal) She lost the tickets? How classic. [=it is not surprising that she lost the tickets; she often loses things]

Yes, and you are wrong in the usage of the sod.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.08.2013 at 21:48

Definition of CLASSIC

Pretty much confirms what I've been saying I would say.

Written by [user id=4365] on 15.08.2013 at 21:50

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.08.2013 at 21:48

Definition of CLASSIC

Pretty much confirms what I've been saying I would say.

yep. but Array apparently doesn't care for dictionaries and wants to give his own meaning to the word

I think everyone is taking this WAAY too far. So what if one person happens to love this record, we don't need to go into this frivolous debate about "what makes an album 'classic'". Let's just leave it to a matter of personal opinion and let by-gones be by-gones. Anyway, I think this album's awesome.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.08.2013 at 21:48

1clas·sic /ˈklæsɪk/ adjective
[more classic; most classic] 1 a ? used to say that something has come to be considered one of the best of its kind ▪ classic novels/movies ▪ a classic case study on hysteria ▪ He collects classic cars.
b ? used to say that something is an example of excellence ▪ His winning goal was classic.
c ? used to describe something that has been popular for a long time ▪ classic board games ▪ The recipe is a new version of a classic dish. ▪ a radio station that plays classic rock [=rock music from the past that is still popular]

You know, if you're actually going to post a dictionary definition, you should probably not choose one that supports your opponent's view.

Ouch...

Written by Azarath on 17.08.2013 at 02:18

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.08.2013 at 21:48

1clas·sic /ˈklæsɪk/ adjective
[more classic; most classic] 1 a ? used to say that something has come to be considered one of the best of its kind ▪ classic novels/movies ▪ a classic case study on hysteria ▪ He collects classic cars.
b ? used to say that something is an example of excellence ▪ His winning goal was classic.
c ? used to describe something that has been popular for a long time ▪ classic board games ▪ The recipe is a new version of a classic dish. ▪ a radio station that plays classic rock [=rock music from the past that is still popular]

You know, if you're actually going to post a dictionary definition, you should probably not choose one that supports your opponent's view.

Best post ever! I mean anything that gets Marcel to stop posting on a thread is laudable in my opinion.

Absolutely amazing.

Written by Azarath on 17.08.2013 at 02:18

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.08.2013 at 21:48

1clas·sic /ˈklæsɪk/ adjective
[more classic; most classic] 1 a ? used to say that something has come to be considered one of the best of its kind ▪ classic novels/movies ▪ a classic case study on hysteria ▪ He collects classic cars.
b ? used to say that something is an example of excellence ▪ His winning goal was classic.
c ? used to describe something that has been popular for a long time ▪ classic board games ▪ The recipe is a new version of a classic dish. ▪ a radio station that plays classic rock [=rock music from the past that is still popular]

You know, if you're actually going to post a dictionary definition, you should probably not choose one that supports your opponent's view.

!Jooe ! has been a Nostalgist all the time.
He disliked anything with new definition and refused to accept anyone to create something new. Anything unfamiliar to him is considered "fabrication".
I believed he came from English speaking background, he had never used or heard anyone used this word before ?

Written by Dr. Strawberry on 22.08.2014 at 14:11
!Jooe ! has been a Nostalgist all the time.
He disliked anything with new definition and refused to accept anyone to create something new. Anything unfamiliar to him is considered "fabrication".
I believed he came from English speaking background, he had never used or heard anyone used this word before ?

That is EXACTLY what I think of Joe.


Not. This is old, why revive it?

Written by [user id=142921] on 22.08.2014 at 17:51

Call it a modern classic in about 5 years time and the retorts should be minimal ( assuming it's a stupendous album)

Quite far from being stupendous. Stupendously average perhaps.

Written by CobiWan1993 on 15.08.2013 at 23:10

I think everyone is taking this WAAY too far. So what if one person happens to love this record, we don't need to go into this frivolous debate about "what makes an album 'classic'"

Welcome to Metalstorm.net

Welcome to the deba... oh wait, we were done with that a year or two ago

Written by Auntie Sahar on 22.09.2015 at 00:38

Written by CobiWan1993 on 15.08.2013 at 23:10

I think everyone is taking this WAAY too far. So what if one person happens to love this record, we don't need to go into this frivolous debate about "what makes an album 'classic'"

Welcome to Metalstorm.net

I wrote this post a little while back. I'm pretty much used to it by now.

This is such a delicate album. Dark but in a very inviting way. Like being enveloped in black velvet while watching the stars. The production and keys are on point.

How am I just discovering this now 15 years later. This is absolutely haunting, beautiful, calming and hypnotizing.
I love this, will be definitely be playing this on my work rides to and from home for a while and will be hunting for a vinyl of it!

Masterful👌