One of My Favorite bands, as I am sure those who have become familliar with my posting have learned pretty Clearly, and one of the bands responsible for getting me into Metal, I feel that they Deserve a disscusion. Go ahead, talk about Former members, Current members, albums, Likes, Dislikes, whatever, as long as it pertains to the Subject.

Shouldn't this go in the extreme metal forum?

I'd class them more in the Alternative metal forum, they're not that extreme to be put in the extreme forum... but thats me

But thsi shood go to melodic or Extrieme metal forum ?]
Than ewery bod can open here tread about bands what intruduse them in metal

Ok people, I'll move it to the Extreme metal Forum. Here.

The Art of Balance was their peak in my opinion. This album remains as one of my all time favorite Metal albums. Both Of One Blood and The War Within were pretty good albums but not to match The Art of Balance in any way for it has more killer riffs and solos in comparison. I still have to listen to their first album Somber Eyes To The Sky with their other vocalist: Labonte and I haven't checked more than the single "In Effigy" for their The Fallout of War EP so checking them out is on my "to do" list.

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Their The Art of Touring DVD is the crappiest DVD you can ever buy from a great band.

^^^ I didn't even bother with the DVD. Once I heard it was going to be fan footage, I threw the idea of buying it right out of my head.

I don't know if it was fan footage but it certainly was bootlegged concerts. If I could have known that little detail before buying (people told that it had bad sound quality but not that it was bootlegged) I too wouldn't have bought it. They should have called that DVD "The Art of Ripping Fans Off" instead of The Art of Touring.

That's good to know because I was about to buy that DVD.

Shadows Fall is a very good band I hate how people incorrectly label them as metalcore, and denounce them for it. Of One Blood and The Art of Balance are my favorite albums by them and I think Brian Fair is one of the highlights of the band.

I've seen them live only once and that was about 4 years ago. They put on a very good show and the crowd was also fun. Everyone was moshing and crowd surfing, including myself.

There is definitely Hardcore elements in their music. For example, check out those breakdowns in their "What Drives The Weak" song.

Breakdowns don't make a band hardcore, dude. What Drives the Weak is not a typical SF song either. They're just a heavy metal band with slight Gothenburg influences in some of the guitar melodies.

Written by Darth Satanious on 28.10.2006 at 02:51

They should have called that DVD "The Art of Ripping Fans Off" instead of The Art of Touring.

That's Hillarious, ROFL

And
@Pyroleprachaun:If you've heard the Albums "Of one Blood" or "Somber eyes to the Sky, they definitely had some Metalcore elements to their music, Drumming Being the Most Prominent. But I do agree that after those albums their sound changed enough to where you could only say that they held Metalcore Influence. Hope that helps.

uhh, thanks for "helping" dude, but yes, I own all of their albums and I don't see them having much relation to the metalcore scene. I don't really hear any punk/hardcore influences whatsoever in their music.

Anyways, it doesn't fucking matter. Shadows Fall is great and we all can agree on that.

Yes, Most Definitely

btw, I own their albums as well, just as a side note.

Written by Dangerboner on 28.10.2006 at 03:42

Breakdowns don't make a band hardcore, dude. What Drives the Weak is not a typical SF song either. They're just a heavy metal band with slight Gothenburg influences in some of the guitar melodies.

Breakdowns are central to several bands within the Metalcore subgenre. The focus of Hardcore inside Metalcore bands varies and in some of this Metalcore bands the presence of Hardcore does not go far from just having breakdowns in their songs. Thus we have bands such as Unearth of which some of their works could easily pass as Melodic Death and Melodic Metal if we wouldn't consider having breakdowns as the presence of Hardcore within them. You would have to no longer consider them as solely a Metalcore band. Of One Blood was mainly Melodic Death Metal, as my memory assures me.

Well, there are plenty of other metal bands in different genres that use breakdowns but aren't considered related to hardcore. I'm sure if I put in a cd by Dark Tranquillity or In Flames or some sort of Gothenberg band, I would hear a breakdown or two, but they definitely wouldn't be considered metalcore. Now that I think about it, pretty much every extreme metal genre has some bands that use breakdowns...well, maybe not black metal...depends on how specific you want to get.

Yes but I really don't think we should be trying to define whether or not Shadows fall plays metal-core, they're badass and we've established we agree on that, I just don't want people cutting eachothers throats on as to whether they play metal-core or not, that subject got pretty bloody on the "Why do people hate Metal-core?" thread.

Written by Arian Totalis on 30.10.2006 at 23:28

Yes but I really don't think we should be trying to define whether or not Shadows fall plays metal-core, they're badass and we've established we agree on that, I just don't want people cutting eachothers throats on as to whether they play metal-core or not, that subject got pretty bloody on the "Why do people hate Metal-core?" thread.

I personally don't see anything wrong in trying to define their style for I think that arguing let's us fall into an agreement at the end regarding "X" or "Y" subject. I don't know how that thread is going on because I kind of try to avoid it for I know the "intelligent" posts that must be being written there. Metalcore = untalented music, commercial shit, not Metal, and so forth. :

Written by Dangerboner on 30.10.2006 at 02:20

Well, there are plenty of other metal bands in different genres that use breakdowns but aren't considered related to hardcore. I'm sure if I put in a cd by Dark Tranquillity or In Flames or some sort of Gothenberg band, I would hear a breakdown or two, but they definitely wouldn't be considered metalcore. Now that I think about it, pretty much every extreme metal genre has some bands that use breakdowns...well, maybe not black metal...depends on how specific you want to get.

Take Dark Tranquillity's "The New Build" song as an example of that. However, it is no secret that there are bands out there that do not limit themselves to a sole genre and that they play along with other genres. Nonetheless, fans are determined to categorize them and they follow some considerations in order to do this and, among them, considering the focus of the Metal subgenre by bands comes to be a factor. For example, is Kreator considered a Gothic Metal band because of their song "Chosen Few"? Still, we cannot deny the other influences or efforts of other Metal subgenres within the bands' music.

If we are going to play after these rules, that breakdowns in the music are not enough to define bands as Metalcore, then we must ask: why is a band such as As I Lay Dying considered Metalcore when they play Melodic Death Metal with breakdowns? If this is the case, then one of these two sides must yield.

I actually don't even really consider As I Lay Dying to be metalcore. Maybe they are, but from my perspective they aren't. The problem, if it is an actual problem, is that there isn't a black a white line between genres anymore. It's more like a fuzzy grey line that doesn't really make it clear which genre bands fit in anymore. Before I consider a band to be metalcore, I gotta hear the hardcore influences. I actually shouldn't have said anything because I haven't heard As I Lay Dying in like a year, but I don't feel like deleting what I've already written lol.

@Pyroleprechaun: Well, if you want some examples of Harcore influences in Shadows Fall songs, The Song "Going, Going, Gone" on "Fallout from the war" is directly stated in the liner notes of the Album that it was made to be a tribute to the Metal/hardcore bands that influenced them. To quote them Directly: "This is the closest we've ever come to wrighting a straight up, in your face Hardcore song. Jason came up with some riffs and after a turn through the metal meatgrinder we came out with our tribute to the origional metal/hardcore crossover bands, namely the Chro-mags and Agnostic front." The song "Mark of the Squealer" on the very same album, is a Leeway cover and Leeway was one of the most influential Metal-Core bands to have ever walked. You own the album right? go look it up.

I need to listen to that album again. I only listened to it once and wasn't too impressed. I read the booklet but don't recall what it said, but I'll take your word on it. Anyways, it doesn't matter though because making one or two b-sides doesn't define your genre.

Written by Dangerboner on 05.11.2006 at 01:30

I need to listen to that album again. I only listened to it once and wasn't too impressed. I read the booklet but don't recall what it said, but I'll take your word on it. Anyways, it doesn't matter though because making one or two b-sides doesn't define your genre.

well, those were just minor examples. If you listen to the songs "Crushing Belial," "To Ashes," Fleshold," and "First Noble Truth," there are all prominent Hardcore elements, particularly in the drumming. Followed by Thrashy gothenburg influenced guitar. The entire album is pretty much a metalcore Album, Mainly because Of Dave Germain's Hardcore Drumming style Accompanied with Outstanding, yet typical Metal-core guitar, which as before mentioned, is strongly influenced by thrash and Gothenburg. "Somber eyes to the Sky" is pretty much Metal-core for the same reasons.

Has anyone heard about their new album to be release In March of 2007? It's going to be called "Threads of Life." Hopefully it's not as weak as their previous release. (Talk about disapointment)

I didn't even bother with the "Fallout" album. When a band puts out a record of leftovers, you know that shit is no good. If it wasn't good enough for the original album, why would it make the cut now? Talk about gaps in logic.

I have it, and it's decent. There were a couple of good tracks but for the most part it was just standard Shadows Fall.

@Dream of Hate and Winter Death: I have it as well, and yes, I think that it doesn't live up to half of the Potential they could have lived up to. I do still find it enjoyable, however. Just because it disapointed me doesn't mean that it's a bad album all together, I just expected so much more. Maby I souldn't have seeing as how that was just their way of making their parting with century media all the smoother, but all the same it is decent. I really like the songs Going going gone, Carpel Tunnel, and Deaworld. What about you Mr. Hate?

Will to Rebuild, Haunting me Endlessly, This is my Own and the Teas'n Pleas'n cover are my favorites.

Written by Stigmatized on 30.11.2006 at 00:08

Will to Rebuild, Haunting me Endlessly, This is my Own and the Teas'n Pleas'n cover are my favorites.

as for covers on the Album, My favorite is mark of the squealer.

Anyone Care to Elaborate on Shadows Falls new album to be Released In March of 2007? Come on people, that ain't far away, I'm Excited.