Written by Dane Train on 15.05.2011 at 03:27

Written by Yasmine on 13.05.2011 at 19:04

Because it attempts to inject theology into something where it clearly had no place. Telling me this....when say....Christians mass murdered native americans and tried to teach them Christianity were they attempting to destroy the godless heathens or just doing them a favor? Same with pagan holiday, destroy paganism or innocent fun? Christian metal, usurping the music from the secular means from which it existed for so long, or just subpar metal?

It seems that we're not on the same page here and that might be my fault and for that I apologize. Let me try and clear it up so we are not having such confusion. To reiterate what I asked before I wanted to know how specifically my band, being a Christian Metal band, is trying to gain power?

And to answer your question about mass murder doing anyone a favor my answer is: no. I appose murder. I appose genocide, bigotry, racism, sexism, homophobia, slavery, poverty, hunger, corruption and war. I work daily to make my community, my world, a place of peace and unconditional love.

Written by Yasmine on 15.05.2011 at 03:35

But that is in my response, if the idea of Christianity is to convert and get their message to as many people as possible to me that is to gain power. Samething if they attempt to take over a musical genre, if they try to take over TV by creating more and more shows, etc etc. I'm sure on a smaller level most Christian musicians don't see it that way, they're just Christians and they like metal, and that's all well and good.

Written by Yasmine on 15.05.2011 at 04:00

Call it what you may I've given a whole list of demonstrations of christian "love" through it's 2000 year history. You may have a different view of it than I, but the demonstration they've displayed is in EVERY history book, your version.....well not so much. I mean I believe you're a nice guy and I believe ya about your band. But millions of people and their "love" versus little ole you and your love. Kind of tips the scales.

Written by Dane Train on 15.05.2011 at 04:16

and second you should do a lot more research before you finally make up your mind.

Written by Dane Train on 15.05.2011 at 04:16

Written by Yasmine on 15.05.2011 at 04:00

Call it what you may I've given a whole list of demonstrations of christian "love" through it's 2000 year history. You may have a different view of it than I, but the demonstration they've displayed is in EVERY history book, your version.....well not so much. I mean I believe you're a nice guy and I believe ya about your band. But millions of people and their "love" versus little ole you and your love. Kind of tips the scales.

Murder. Rape. Genocide. War. That is not love. And please do not confuse it with love either. I am not defending all the atrocities done in the name of any religion what so ever. I am sickened by them. But if that is all you know of Christianity, then first I am very sorry that has been your experience, and second you should do a lot more research before you finally make up your mind.

Written by Yasmine on 15.05.2011 at 07:35

Oh I've done plenty, I disagree with core tenets alone,

Written by Dane Train on 15.05.2011 at 15:33

Written by Yasmine on 15.05.2011 at 07:35

Oh I've done plenty, I disagree with core tenets alone,

Would you please inform me as to what studying you have done? I am always interested in what someone's creditably is and what their background is on such topics.

Likewise, since you disagree with the core tenets, would you please tell us all here what said tenets are? I want to make sure we're all on the same page.

Written by Yasmine on 15.05.2011 at 23:26

In other words you want a strawman argument through a red herring? My education is not an issue here, what is an issue is if what I've said is in fact true. Did Christians mass murder people countless times through out history? I state they did, refute it instead of jumping to my education.

Written by Dane Train on 16.05.2011 at 01:28

You have shown us that you an plagiarize from http://www.religioustolerance.org. But can you now, in your own words tell me what makes a person a Christian?

Written by X-Ray Rod on 16.05.2011 at 11:05



This is fucking beautiful.

Written by Slayer666 on 16.05.2011 at 14:44

Written by X-Ray Rod on 16.05.2011 at 11:05



This is fucking beautiful.

Tell me about it. Christianity has never been more fun.

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Because to me, by definition "metal" is the antithesis of Christianity (amonst other things).

Would you please explain what you mean by this?

since Metal music is about rebelling against the establishment, fighting against oppression of the self (physically and mentally), or being iconoclastic in nature - and since Christianity is the dominant religion in western society (where most Metal music comes from) it is naturally Christianity that Metalheads might rebel against since it tells us how we should live. It's kind of a big "fuck you" to the man, aka God and the Church, get it?

How often are you oppressed by religion? or Christians? Atleast, In the U.S. where I am from, I don't think there is much religious oppression. The only that I've seen is from radical groups and that's including other religions beside Christianity. Most of the oppression I see in the world is more of the nature of social status/racial/government/ oppression. And what really gets me is that most of the anti-Christian sentiment in metal songs, especially those of black/pagan metal bands, stims for what conquerors did hundreds of years ago in the name of "Christianity." Since a lot of black metal band members usually consider themselves intellectuals, I think they would be able to see past the guise and realize that most conquerors just used "Christianity" as a front to acheive their own selfish desires.

Im from Canada, but people here and in the US have to put up with religious oppression every day. Whether its the constant attack against gay rights, or scientific research, or the retarded idea that creation should be taught in a science class. Or there failed campaign against women rights, Interracial marriage, and a dozen other idea that go against the bible.

You may or may not be for or against these ideas but the fact that organizations use Jesus as an excuse to preach intolerance is religious oppression.

You make it sound like fundamentalists have a lot more power than they really do. Plus political/societal/cultural change usually takes time, and reactionary political correctness movements hurt more than they help. Specifically, the gay rights movement. There's a certain level of professionalism required in gaining acceptance/recognition, and many gays/supporters simply haven't realized that, or are wholly incapable (probably a combination of the two. Ever seen a gay pride parade? I rest my case). I'm gay, so I'd say that grants me a certain degree of insight on the rights vs. religious oppression/bias.

If anything, I'd say that Christianity is more of a target than women's rights, gay equality, interracial marriage, or Atheism. I've encountered several students in my area that have claimed Christianity is fascism (hmm... After reading/researching Mussolini, I don't see how Jesus would approve of the Third Way...), a few want it outlawed (outlawing an entire religion? Sounds a bit authoritarian to me), and the real kicker is a lot of these people defend Islam when it gets attack. Attacking a target but getting mad if someone else does it to a different one with the same claims and tactics makes little sense.

Extend that to the metal community and a common reaction to Christian bands. "Omg [x band] isn't [x genre] because it lacks [x ideology]". The black metal kids are the best. Attacking Christianity yet falling into the same trappings as their target. I'm not a fan of Christian metal, as the bands I've heard tend to sound different from what I normally like, but my dislike for it has nothing to do with the fact that they're Christian, it's related to the music. I see liking/disliking a group because of ideological content instead of their art as falling into the hipster mentality: associating with something purely because of its image. Seems shallow to me. I admit that the lyrics (particularly of "unblack" and deathcore bands) tend to blow ass, but lyrics don't influence my like/dislike for a group(although if they're well written, it's an extra bonus, as in the case of Deathspell Omega).

For the record, I think blind devotion to any belief/sect or lack thereof is destructive, and I'm not a Christian apologetic by any means, as I view it as a generally masochistic belief system, particularly the more modern variants. I just like people to be consistent and look at the whole picture when they're criticizing something.