Written by Zmaj Ognjeni Vuk on 21.02.2009 at 01:28

Written by [user id=1909] on 20.02.2009 at 17:26

Its too fairy and "phantom of the opera", which is gay.

May it be known! Liking women sing is sooo gay! Real man prefer trolls over fairies! They're more cuddly.

And there just had to be a tool voting "Clean vocals suck in metal".

Well if you cant keep ur panties on if someone disagrees with you or have a different opinion then you better get the fuck off this forum, cozz I PROMISE you I will disagree with you on many things and we dont want you to waste your panties now do we?

Written by [user id=1909] on 21.02.2009 at 14:48

Well if you cant keep ur panties on if someone disagrees with you or have a different opinion then you better get the fuck off this forum, cozz I PROMISE you I will disagree with you on many things and we dont want you to waste your panties now do we?

So, when you disagree that woman should sing clean vocals in metal, because that's errr...gay, that's okay? But not the other way around?
And what's with the PROMISE thing, are you trying to "scare" me out of discussion?
I just mocked your silly women = fairies = gay statement with an even sillier statement, no need to get all worked up.

Also, my 'tool'* remark, wasn't aimed at you, since I can't know what did you vote for. It was an observation. If you found yourself in it, well that's your problem.


*This remark was made for a simple reason - maybe there would be no growls/shrieks if there were no clean vocals at start. With growing popularity, metal evolved and came to musical and vocal diversity we have today. Therefore if the voter doesn't like clean vocals, he should acknowledge them as part of metal.

Written by [user id=1909] on 21.02.2009 at 14:48

Well if you cant keep ur panties on if someone disagrees with you or have a different opinion then you better get the fuck off this forum, cozz I PROMISE you I will disagree with you on many things and we dont want you to waste your panties now do we?

Everyone has got the rights for having an opinion....if I think something is poor for me, then it's my opinion and my own business, if someone else disagrees, then that's fine....that's matter of taste....Nobody has condemned you for having an opinion of yours....and nobody has disagreed with your opinion either, to be honest...

The reason you draw the attention was that you expressed your opinion in a very banal way....(yes we've spoken among friends "Oh, this band X is so shitty!" but that's speech and we basically take our words back immediately since we're joking anyway....) If you write something in the style "Oh, it's so shitty and gay!" then in written form that looks really bad....that's the only thing that irritated and not your opinion itself...

And your reaction "you better get the fuck off this forum, cozz I PROMISE you I will disagree with you on many things and we dont want you to waste your panties now do we?" is even more banal than your argument before.....You are virtually addressing a fellow user in an inappropriate manner just because you were shown how inappropriately you expressed yourself previously.

Personally, I am a fan of all styles of singing, whether it be clean vocals, growls, grunts, etc. and by no means are clean vocals in metal "gay." Sure, everyone has their opinion, but that's just the type of thing a person that hasn't the slightest clue would say.

Anyway, back on subject. In the debate of men and women singing clean vocals, I would have to say I like female vocals better. But hey, that's just me. They just sound a lot more "crisp." I do also like females that don't don't sing clean vocals. (Arch Enemy, Straight Line Stitch)

That doesn't mean I don't like male clean vocals, either. I mean, Tobias Sammet is a great clean vocalist. (I'm sure I'll get some unpleasant comments on that statement.)

But, I guess that about wraps it up. There's my opinion.

Written by Nardy7 on 21.02.2009 at 18:58

That doesn't mean I don't like male clean vocals, either. I mean, Tobias Sammet is a great clean vocalist. (I'm sure I'll get some unpleasant comments on that statement.)

Yeah you predicted it right!

Tobias Sammet is barely a male. I figured you'd list off some interesting male singers, but Tobias has just pretty bland flower-power vocals. Which is another reason female clean vocals are really forgettable - half of them sound identical to one another.

Written by Zmaj Ognjeni Vuk on 21.02.2009 at 15:11


So, when you disagree that woman should sing clean vocals in metal, because that's errr...gay, that's okay? But not the other way around?

The difference is I just came onto the thread and voiced my opinion and then god knows who started throwing their sarcastic crap around about "real men like metal that sound like trolls" or whatever. When I said its gay I meant it out of personal opinion, I wasnt having a go at people who like it, to each their own its just not my cup of tea because I think it makes the music sound crap - ive always thought that and I will, and I wont pretend that I like it just for being agreeable.

And Im sorry for my earlier remarks, no threats intended but I felt I was being attacked for not liking female vocals. And whats wrong about someone expressing their dislike for female vox? Or do people on this thread expect everyone to react like robots: "i like female vocals", I dislike female vocals" - ending up with 100 identical responses without elaborating? But again, just because I say its gay, its stupid for people to go on some wild goose chase about me calling them gay.

Marcel H and I have learned by agreeing to disagree and same should go for other people as well - if people are gonna have a fit about me slagging off things they like then things are gonna get heated - thats what i meant with the whole "PROMISE" statement, because I do tend to be very disagreeable and of different opinion than many on here. So again sorry if I "flamed" or whatever the term is.

What the hell does sexual orientation have with music tastes, anyway??? Some straight men go nuts for Village People or Madonna and some gay guys love Brutal Death metal, so give it a break, dudes...

I dont listen to alot of female singers, but my friend likes nightwish which is a pretty cool band with a great female singer, well the original singer was good anyway. But in metal their are more men singing. But female fronted bands are cool, I dont listen to enough of em, but I do prefer male vocals in metal.

There are a lot of good female fronted bands that i enjoy, yet i voted for males, all the vocalists that make me go "wow, the vocals in this part is sooooooo AWESOME" are male

I enjoy both. Personally, I prefer clean vocals over growling, and I prefer to let the instrumentalists take over the sound over the vocalist. I like a little screaming in there every once in a while, but will always prefer a smoother sound.

I really prefer female voices..male aren't bad but i just like female voices a lot more

Written by face_your_demons on 02.03.2009 at 21:17

I really prefer female voices..male aren't bad but i just like female voices a lot more

yeah me to...i think they are better...

I voted for both

If clean vocals are the option, I have to go with females. This isn't always true, but clean vocals on dudes tends to piss me off. Females can pull it off better IMO

If we were talking about death metal growls though, I definitely prefer male.

Well, I do admire the fact that many women have very nice voices, and can hit really high notes and whatever more, but I still enjoy more a man singing (even more when it's guttural vocals). When it's a woman singing, yes, she can put a lot of emotion to what she's singing, but so can many male singers, so... yeah, I voted male.

Definitly male,even if i am girl i don't think female vocals are good in metal music.

Female vocals rules only in black metal bands !! when the clean vocals come out after a real kick ass harsh vocals !!

Both, but sadly most metal bands don't use it corectly or just use a generic soprano.

I love male clean voices. Women don't mix with my ears.

I like both. But I think it depends on the individual more than anything. I must say though a good quality female vocalist is always an asset, but then you could say the same for male as well. I suppose the best way to judge might be to list your favorite five singers. For me in no particular order...
Mat Barlow (Iced Earth) - Male
Simone Simons (Epica) - Female
Roy Khan (Kamelot) - Male
Ralf Sheepers (Primal Fear) - Male
Laura De Luca (Tystnaden) - Female

It's complicated.. For instance, Mikael Akerfeldt beat every single woman/man in Metal as a clean vocalist.. But in other hand, Anneke van Giersbergen is better than many male vocalists.. So not both, but it's can not consider which one overcome to the other as well..

Easy, male vocals.
It is very very very very very rare I like a female's voice in metal. The reason being is that they lack what is totally necessary in metal imo, namely... POWER. 99% of the women singing in metal lack the power to equal the instrumentation. Yes, I know it seems like they possess the power, but that is only on albums. Live they downright suck in 99% of the cases.

Only exceptions for me to this rule are:

Dawn Crosby - Détente & Fear Of God (may you finally have found your peace, girl. Still thinking of you after all these years)
Rachel Heyzer - Occult, Sinister, Infinited Hate
Corinne v.d. Brand - Acrostichon
Dana Duffey - Mythic, Demonic Christ
Runhold Gammelsäeter - Thorr's Hammer

yep, only five. And NO, the little troll from Arch Enemy does nto possess power and is not extreme and is not good at all.

I like both clean Men and female but for clean I dont like too much symphonic or tenor II (or maybe I) male vocal, for female clean I like just merely vocal like Within Temptation, as for again opera high tone symphonic, no not my favorite.

Written by Hamird on 08.10.2009 at 18:54

It's complicated.. For instance, Mikael Akerfeldt beat every single woman/man in Metal as a clean vocalist.. But in other hand, Anneke van Giersbergen is better than many male vocalists.. So not both, but it's can not consider which one overcome to the other as well..

I was reading, you gave that example, and you have no idea how much I just facepalmed. And I love the voice of a female, even in metal, it sounds so ....enticing. Really grips you unlike more generic male vocals, which are the most prevalent. (And most of the male vocals sound painfully alike)

Written by [user id=28338] on 10.09.2009 at 02:15

I prefer both but it depends in my mood

yeah! What he said!

Clean vocals? Male for sure, even if their vocals are clean you can totally hear the emotion going on behind their words.
The only female I like who can srsly own in a metal band (imo) is Marta Gabriel from Crystal Viper. Her voice is killer and was made for heavy metal.
I tend to find most clean female vocals in metal to be a bit...boring. They don't really mix well with the music most of the time, comes out sounding TOO clean oppose to clean with metal.
HMMM..

KYO from dir en grey.

Written by Doc G. on 21.02.2009 at 20:30

Written by Nardy7 on 21.02.2009 at 18:58

That doesn't mean I don't like male clean vocals, either. I mean, Tobias Sammet is a great clean vocalist. (I'm sure I'll get some unpleasant comments on that statement.)

Yeah you predicted it right!

Tobias Sammet is barely a male. I figured you'd list off some interesting male singers, but Tobias has just pretty bland flower-power vocals. Which is another reason female clean vocals are really forgettable - half of them sound identical to one another.

Hahaha, I absolutely concur.

Written by CobiWan1993 on 23.11.2012 at 08:53

I don't want to sound sexist or anything, but i definitely think men in general put more effort into metal singing than women do.

I'm sorry, but that is totally a sexist comment. I myself totally dislike clean female vocals in metal, though that has nothing to do with thinking that men "put more effort" into singing metal than women do. To me, it's a very simple case of men's voices being a much better fit for metal music than women's voices. I only enjoy a tiny number of female metal vocalists, and they all have harsh vocals, and ironically, sound much more like men than women. Clean female voices just don't work in metal for me, it has nothing to do with effort though, it's just nature.

Written by Angelic Storm on 23.11.2012 at 09:37

Written by CobiWan1993 on 23.11.2012 at 08:53

I don't want to sound sexist or anything, but i definitely think men in general put more effort into metal singing than women do.

I'm sorry, but that is totally a sexist comment. I myself totally dislike clean female vocals in metal, though that has nothing to do with thinking that men "put more effort" into singing metal than women do. To me, it's a very simple case of men's voices being a much better fit for metal music than women's voices. I only enjoy a tiny number of female metal vocalists, and they all have harsh vocals, and ironically, sound much more like men than women. Clean female voices just don't work in metal for me, it has nothing to do with effort though, it's just nature.

Yeah, I had a feeling this would backfire. I apologize for this, I didn't mean for it to come out that way. I'll delete my comment.