Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.05.2012 at 21:39

Written by Oaken on 20.05.2012 at 21:37

It doesn't really matter for me, but I voted for "I generally prefer..." because most of the BM I listen to comes from the US. (I listen to other bands from other countries, but I specifically enjoy bands like WITTR, Skagos and Alda)

Skagos aren't from the US

Canada is not very different from the US in terms of black metal! You can forgive me for that one.

Written by Oaken on 20.05.2012 at 21:54
Canada is not very different from the US in terms of black metal! You can forgive me for that one.

I can't.

Written by Oaken on 20.05.2012 at 21:54

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.05.2012 at 21:39

Written by Oaken on 20.05.2012 at 21:37

It doesn't really matter for me, but I voted for "I generally prefer..." because most of the BM I listen to comes from the US. (I listen to other bands from other countries, but I specifically enjoy bands like WITTR, Skagos and Alda)

Skagos aren't from the US

Canada is not very different from the US in terms of black metal! You can forgive me for that one.

There is a huge difference between US and Canadian black metal. But you're forgiven since you've only been listening to black metal for at most 6 months now.

Doesn't make any difference to me. Sometimes I'll be in the mood for listening to some of the prominent, early 90s, 2nd wave bands, which just so happen to come from Norway. But I'd still listen to them even if they were from Cambodia or Hawaii. Good music is good music

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.05.2012 at 23:31

There is a huge difference between US and Canadian black metal. But you're forgiven since you've only been listening to black metal for at most 6 months now.

Thanks.
But Skagos do sound similar to a lot of the US black metal bands.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 20.05.2012 at 23:27

Written by Oaken on 20.05.2012 at 21:54
Canada is not very different from the US in terms of black metal! You can forgive me for that one.

I can't.

Why can't you?

Written by Oaken on 21.05.2012 at 00:59
Why can't you?

Because you just said two completely different sounding styles are interchangeable. While some Canadian and American black metal bands sound like any typical black metal band, each country has its respective scenes that are unique to themselves.

For instance, the Cascadian scene vs. the MNQ scene.

Yes, country matters. simply put, anyone who thinks country is important is someone whose opinion you can cast aside.

and it's always funny to read what people who got into shit two months ago have to say.

The country of origin doesn't matter to me as I like stuff from different places, but it's always nice to hear how different areas have their own unique take on black metal.

No - I don't care at all.

I find a band's country of origin interesting, don't get me wrong. With BM in particular a knowledge of where the band hails from can give the listener scope to look into the inspirations and drives that give rise to the atmosphere surrounding the band; impetus to research cultural traits and myths from the bands local, which I feel adds to the listening experience. I've learned a great deal about Norway, for example, listening to bands from that country. I don't think I would know as much as I have come to do of the likes of Romanian folklore, also, if it were not from listening to bands from that neck of the woods.

Even if some areas have a distinctive sound it doesn't really matter since it can easily be reproduced by anyone. And most areas aren't restricted to a particular sound, so I don't really pay attention to such thing as I enjoy BM as a whole.

No, country isn't really that important. They say Scandinavia produces the best black metal, but some of my favorite black metal bands are from the Slavic countries, while others are from America and Canada. There's even this one black metal band I really love, Screaming Savior, that comes all the way from China.

Written by [user id=5630] on 25.05.2012 at 21:37

No, country isn't really that important. They say Scandinavia produces the best black metal, but some of my favorite black metal bands are from the Slavic countries, while others are from America and Canada. There's even this one black metal band I really love, Screaming Savior, that comes all the way from China.

The interesting part is that there are Black Metal bands all over the place nowadays! I even found some really cool bands in Mongolia! I will check Screaming Saviour out btw god tip!

Written by Oaken on 20.05.2012 at 21:54

Canada is not very different from the US in terms of black metal!

I have to disagree.

Written by Infernal Eternal on 26.05.2012 at 11:23

Written by Oaken on 20.05.2012 at 21:54

Canada is not very different from the US in terms of black metal!

I have to disagree.

I agree with you
I meant that Skagos is very similar to USBM.

Written by Oaken on 26.05.2012 at 16:16

Written by Infernal Eternal on 26.05.2012 at 11:23

Written by Oaken on 20.05.2012 at 21:54

Canada is not very different from the US in terms of black metal!

I have to disagree.

I agree with you
I meant that Skagos is very similar to USBM.

Ok then, I thought you meant US and Canadian BM are much the same (musically).

It depends on the situation, are these bands incorporating elements like language, topics and folk music of their country into their music or production quality. An example is Al-Namrood who sing in arabic, have arabic scales and pagan topics.

Being Australian (multiculturalism yay) i approach everything with an open, sort of naive mind about things where i hit the music first and then build my context from there, read a bit, listen to something another band was doing concurrently, something like that. I hate building that sort of expectation before hearing the music, it has happened before and then if it doesn't meet this preconceived notion of how i want it to sound, i somehow end up disappointed. and that's just stupid.

Wait, what does this have to do with being Australian again? i forget...

Sometimes it's okay to draw lines when the music does actually sound different from different places. A great example of this is to think about how one band can sound like it better fits in with bands from another place- the exception which proves the rule.

If you hear Gorgoroth, are you going to think anything other than Norway? Lamb of God doesn't sound like they've come out of the polish death metal scene, do they?

I'd say it's fair to almost treat country of origin (or a least which place they sound like they're from) as yet another sub-genre.

Written by Sethdood on 06.06.2012 at 21:08

Lamb of God doesn't sound like they've come out of the polish death metal scene, do they?

Of course not, since they have nothing to do with death metal, whatsoever

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 06.06.2012 at 22:49
Of course not, since they have nothing to do with death metal, whatsoever

I was gonna say, that has nothing to do with the country they're from, but the style of music they play. LoG being death metal... come on.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 06.06.2012 at 22:51

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 06.06.2012 at 22:49
Of course not, since they have nothing to do with death metal, whatsoever

I was gonna say, that has nothing to do with the country they're from, but the style of music they play. LoG being death metal... come on.

Yeah that was part of my point- bands tend to come from places where their music is more relevant to their local scenes. I don't really think LoG type metalcore is as hot right now in Poland as it clearly is in the U.S.

How out of place would a band like Dark Tranquility be if they were from Virginia? I wonder if they'd have even been signed.

I will admit im a bit of a black metal snob the bands in europe and especially in norway and sweden just own black metal. Im sorry but american black metal sucks it just comes off like they are trying to copycat and clone what is going on in norway or sweden.What made those scenes rich was how original they were now you look at places like the usa,south america and canada just gives black metal a bad name.

Written by winds of mayhem on 18.06.2012 at 07:45
I will admit im a bit of a black metal snob the bands in europe and especially in norway and sweden just own black metal. Im sorry but american black metal sucks it just comes off like they are trying to copycat and clone what is going on in norway or sweden.What made those scenes rich was how original they were now you look at places like the usa,south america and canada just gives black metal a bad name.

I seem to be quoting you a lot but it's only because your posts are so confrontational and bring up a lot of points I happen to disagree with...

The American black metal scene has been growing since the '90s just like the Scandinavian scene. There are no inherent differences in quality or sound in the second wave, aside from the fact that members of bands like Judas Iscariot, Abazagorath, Krieg, and Grand Belial's Key weren't bust burning down churches or murdering their artistic rivals.

As for North and South America giving black metal a band name, you should look at what those Scandinavian bands are up to now. Varg is certainly giving black metal a worse name than the likes of Leviathan, Nightbringer, any of the Cascadian bands, any of the atmo-black bands that still emphasize black metal, and virtually any métal noir Québécois band.

I'm still trying to decide if you're just a bitter metal elitist or a troll.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 02:00

Written by winds of mayhem on 18.06.2012 at 07:45
I will admit im a bit of a black metal snob the bands in europe and especially in norway and sweden just own black metal. Im sorry but american black metal sucks it just comes off like they are trying to copycat and clone what is going on in norway or sweden.What made those scenes rich was how original they were now you look at places like the usa,south america and canada just gives black metal a bad name.

I seem to be quoting you a lot but it's only because your posts are so confrontational and bring up a lot of points I happen to disagree with...

The American black metal scene has been growing since the '90s just like the Scandinavian scene. There are no inherent differences in quality or sound in the second wave, aside from the fact that members of bands like Judas Iscariot, Abazagorath, Krieg, and Grand Belial's Key weren't bust burning down churches or murdering their artistic rivals.

As for North and South America giving black metal a band name, you should look at what those Scandinavian bands are up to now. Varg is certainly giving black metal a worse name than the likes of Leviathan, Nightbringer, any of the Cascadian bands, any of the atmo-black bands that still emphasize black metal, and virtually any métal noir Québécois band.

I'm still trying to decide if you're just a bitter metal elitist or a troll.

well i never said i was a bursum fan at all if you disagree with my point of view fine so be it i see your posts and disagree with a lot of what you say but i don't have the need to post you everytime about it so whos trolling now? i like what i like and dislike what i dislike.Its pretty plain and simple as that hey would it be kool if their were some good black metal bands from the usa?sure but i feel more and more metalheads are trying to take pride in where they are from opposed to what is good.

So where will the next wave come from? who knows its anybodys guess but if i had to be a betting man i would say some other part of europe the american black metal bands you mentioned i dont think are very good i think if that trend stays i dont think we will ever have a american black metal band we can be proud of look at the first albums by bands like bathory,mayhem,celtic frost, american black metal bands should make trends instead of following them.

Written by winds of mayhem on 19.06.2012 at 12:32
well i never said i was a bursum fan at all if you disagree with my point of view fine so be it i see your posts and disagree with a lot of what you say but i don't have the need to post you everytime about it so whos trolling now? i like what i like and dislike what i dislike.Its pretty plain and simple as that hey would it be kool if their were some good black metal bands from the usa?sure but i feel more and more metalheads are trying to take pride in where they are from opposed to what is good.

So where will the next wave come from? who knows its anybodys guess but if i had to be a betting man i would say some other part of europe the american black metal bands you mentioned i dont think are very good i think if that trend stays i dont think we will ever have a american black metal band we can be proud of look at the first albums by bands like bathory,mayhem,celtic frost, american black metal bands should make trends instead of following them.

I never said you were a fan of Burzum either, just that Varg being part of the whole original Scandinavian black metal movement you were talking of, and look what he's doing now. Surely the likes of Burzum, Gorgoroth, Satyricon, and Darkthrone are pushing the black metal envelope with all-incredible new and original ideas.

As for quoting you because I disagree... that is not the definition of trolling, so I think you're a bit confused there.

As seen by the vote in this poll, people here could care less about where there black metal comes from. An overwhelming amount consider country of origin to be irrelevant - probably because they aren't busy calling out the North American bands for being trendhoppers because you have it built up in your head that only Scandinavian bands are in any way original.

The next wave is arguably coming out of the States by the way - it's called the Cascadian movement (Agalloch-inspired pagan/atmospheric black metal bands). That, or the current blackgaze trend, which more or less has its origins in France (any of Neige's projects) but also bands like Deafheaven in the US.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.06.2012 at 15:13

The next wave is arguably coming out of the States by the way - it's called the Cascadian movement (Agalloch-inspired pagan/atmospheric black metal bands). That, or the current blackgaze trend, which more or less has its origins in France (any of Neige's projects) but also bands like Deafheaven in the US.

I hope that's not the truth

on topic: I always say that I don't care about country of origin but if it's black metal from Greece I tend to like it even if it's not that good.

Written by Koen Smits on 19.06.2012 at 18:36
I hope that's not the truth

That the Cascadian scene is arguably becoming the "new" black metal? If you don't like the sound then it would be unfortunate for you, but it does seem to be gaining quite a following. From bands like Fell Voices and Petrychor to Falls of Rauros and Alda - also Skagos, Panopticon, the list goes on and on.

@Troy Killjoy Not confused at all i just disagree with you i think the examples you gave of a new black metal movement is a bad one i dont even consider those bands black metal myself its possible a new movement might happen here but the bands that are calling themself black metal clearly are not.

If you listen to bands like mayhem,satyricon,bathory, and celtic frost that is how black metal should sound brutal and cold many call cradle of filth and dimmu borgir black metal they are not.They have some interesting music but its not black metal as it is right now american or canada for that matter can't really hold a candle to what they are doing in europe and have done in the past thats just a fact.Now on a reverse i would say most good death metal is something the usa owns over europe look at bands like deicide,morbid angel,immolation,cannibal corpse,or six feet under i would never say the death metal bands from europe are equals to the bands i just mentioned cause that would be stupid for obvious reasons.

Written by winds of mayhem on 19.06.2012 at 19:07
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Dude, you sound like one of the true crusaders from Youtube trying to convince all the kids that Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir aren't black metal. Everybody knows this by now - CoF have shed their black metal ties like a decade ago, and Dimmu's symphonic elements have become prevalent in their sound. Mayhem and Satyricon definitely embodied the second wave of black metal, but that's not the only form of black metal to exist. I know it's the only worthwhile form of black metal for you - I used to think that when I was 15 - but personally I'm far less concerned with my image to let things like "real" black metal vs "false" black metal get in the way of me enjoying music.

If something as trivial as where a band originates from prevents you from listening to certain music, then I'm sorry to say you have an unfortunately limited understanding of what music really offers. In any case, I probably won't bother quoting you anymore since I have no reason to beat a dead horse. Metal-Archives and ANUS would certainly love to have you though, if you aren't a prominent member of either already.

Celtic Frost is Black? (I see their influence on BM but to me they have always been thrash)
Six Feet Under is great DM?... and last time I checked bands like Fell Voices, Falls of Rauros or Panopticon are definitely BM.

Also... anyone who uses "real" and "Fake" for a certain metal subgenre (or metal overall) is kind of... well... wrong. I expected that kind of shit to be over by now.