I've been listening quite much to Thee Plague Of Gentlemen's (www.tpog.be) album Primula Pestis lately. It's quite awesome. Highly recommended!

Written by [user id=4900] on 07.06.2006 at 12:37

I've been listening quite much to Thee Plague Of Gentlemen's (www.tpog.be) album Primula Pestis lately. It's quite awesome. Highly recommended!

Great stuff, they somehow remind me a bit of Electric Wizard. I saw them live a couple of times and live they kick ass too.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 07.06.2006 at 20:13

Written by [user id=4900] on 07.06.2006 at 12:37

I've been listening quite much to Thee Plague Of Gentlemen's (www.tpog.be) album Primula Pestis lately. It's quite awesome. Highly recommended!

Great stuff, they somehow remind me a bit of Electric Wizard. I saw them live a couple of times and live they kick ass too.

I dunno this Belgian bnd but Electric Wizrd are gret metal bands from UK, in old forum ws tred about them, and well thay had some good songs, and Electric Wizard are great, i never had har them live, only some Cd, but still thay kick ss
And remaind me some Black Sabbayh mix whit Witchfindr General and St. Vitus mix whit Count Raven sound.

A little bit of sad news: the heavy/doom outfit Goat Horn have disbanded, too bad as they were a very good band...

Oh damn! I loved both of Goat Horn's full-lengths. Here's a cool interview with Jason: http://www.diabolicalconquest.com/interviews/goat_horn_interview.htm

Offtopic: Venom_BM, your acatar has always intrigued me. May I know what it is/where it's from. Thanks

Well, I guess they ain't disbanding after all. They've put tour dates back up on their website!

All my favorite doom bands have already been mentioned except for Paramaecium. I can understand why. To most people, doom also means depressing lyrics, as well as a musical style. Well, Paramaecium are a White (read Christian) Metal band. Let me get one thing straight. I am neither a believer nor a non-believer. I'm an agnostic and fall in the middle. But, I love this band because, they play some of the gloomiest, doomiset music ever recorded. If you've got the opportunity check them out. They're awesome.

Written by [user id=14153] on 18.06.2006 at 06:35
All my favorite doom bands have already been mentioned except for Paramaecium.

I'm quite positive I've heard them. And if memory serves it was Death/Doom not (Trad.) Doom Metal. I am not really a fan of growling...

That's another thing. WTF : death doom or trad. doom. What's the difference? Just the vocals? BFD. Doom is doom and that's it. I guess that's why I mentioned Patamaecium. I think it's ludicrous to divide this one form of music. As silly as people needing to label all music. Labels don't mean a thing. If a band is good that's all that matters. If they suck that also should ba all that matters. Okay, now I'll get off of my soapbox and let someone take the stage.

Written by [user id=14153] on 19.06.2006 at 09:25

I think it's ludicrous to divide this one form of music. As silly as people needing to label all music. Labels don't mean a thing. If a band is good that's all that matters.

It's a necessity to label music. Imagine if everything from pop, rap, rock, blues, jazz, classic, ethnic, hip-hop, country etc. (and all those probably also have sub-genres) was simply labelled music. Would you go to a store and ask them to recommend you "good music"? Everybody has their own invidual taste of music, you yourself are here because you like Metal (a subgenre of Rock). This site wouldn't exist without labelling. Making further sub-genres just simplifies things. I for instance loathe Gothic Pop Metal? (my label for Within Temptation) and Flower Metal? (European Power Metal). I am not a fan of most Black Metal or Death Metal bands either, no matter how many people think these bands are good and no matter how many people would recommend bands of such genres, I just don't like them. With these sub-genres I can AVOID those bands. Imagine how much SHIT I would be forced to listen to without any labels (and without any genre terms it would not only be limited to the Metal sub-genres, but ALL "good" music). So, yes, labelling is your friend ESPECIALLY if your taste is pretty damn narrow like mine. Just try it next time in the store (or any site), say: Recommend me some Good (non-specific) Music.

Written by [user id=14153] on 19.06.2006 at 09:25
That's another thing. WTF : death doom or trad. doom. What's the difference? Just the vocals?

No, it's not the only difference. As I already said in the first post (in a simplified manner): "With Traditional Doom Metal I mean Sabbath-based bluesy Doom with clean vocals." Death/Doom is nowhere near that, is it? Death/Doom differs not only because of the growling but the musical style.

Written by [user id=4900] on 19.06.2006 at 11:24

It's a necessity to label music. Imagine if everything from pop, rap, rock, blues, jazz, classic, ethnic, hip-hop, country etc. (and all those propably also have sub-genres) was simply labelled music. Would you go to a store and ask them to recommend you "good music"? Everybody has their own invidual taste of music, you yourself are here because you like Metal (a subgenre of Rock). This site wouldn't exist without labelling. Making further sub-genres just simplifies things. I for instance loathe Gothic Pop Metal? (my label for Within Temptation) and Flower Metal? (European Power Metal). I am not a fan of most Black Metal or Death Metal bands either, no matter how many people think these bands are good and no matter how many people would recommend bands of such genres, I just don't like them. With these sub-genres I can AVOID those bands. Imagine how much SHIT I would be forced to listen to without any labels (and without any genre terms it would not only be limited to the Metal sub-genres, but ALL "good" music). So, yes, labelling is your friend ESPECIALLY if your taste is pretty damn narrow like mine. Just try it next time in the store (or any site), say: Recommend me some Good (non-specific) Music.

Hehe. Very well put

Written by [user id=4900] on 19.06.2006 at 11:24

It's a necessity to label music. Imagine if everything from pop, rap, rock, blues, jazz, classic, ethnic, hip-hop, country etc. (and all those probably also have sub-genres) was simply labelled music. Would you go to a store and ask them to recommend you "good music"? Everybody has their own invidual taste of music, you yourself are here because you like Metal (a subgenre of Rock). This site wouldn't exist without labelling. Making further sub-genres just simplifies things. I for instance loathe Gothic Pop Metal? (my label for Within Temptation) and Flower Metal? (European Power Metal). I am not a fan of most Black Metal or Death Metal bands either, no matter how many people think these bands are good and no matter how many people would recommend bands of such genres, I just don't like them. With these sub-genres I can AVOID those bands. Imagine how much SHIT I would be forced to listen to without any labels (and without any genre terms it would not only be limited to the Metal sub-genres, but ALL "good" music). So, yes, labelling is your friend ESPECIALLY if your taste is pretty damn narrow like mine. Just try it next time in the store (or any site), say: Recommend me some Good (non-specific) Music.

Okay, I'll give you a part of that. But when you start breaking down sub-genres into even more sub-genres, that's when I think things are getting out of hand. I guess that's what I was trying to get at. Breaking sub-genres down even more. I guess the other problem is that you refer to yourself as being "pretty damn narrow", whareas I am more open minded and will listen to doom no matter what silly sub-genre it is in. Just knowing it's doom is good enough for me to give it a shot. Same thing with all the other subs. So, I'll admit that I was partially wrong. We definitely do need some labeling, but sub-genreing sub-genres is still ludicrous in my opinion.

Written by [user id=14153] on 19.06.2006 at 22:47
Okay, I'll give you a part of that. But when you start breaking down sub-genres into even more sub-genres, that's when I think things are getting out of hand. I guess that's what I was trying to get at. Breaking sub-genres down even more. I guess the other problem is that you refer to yourself as being "pretty damn narrow", whareas I am more open minded and will listen to doom no matter what silly sub-genre it is in. Just knowing it's doom is good enough for me to give it a shot. Same thing with all the other subs. So, I'll admit that I was partially wrong. We definitely do need some labeling, but sub-genreing sub-genres is still ludicrous in my opinion.

It might be unnecessary if, and only if, you like ALL KINDS of Doom Metal. As I said, I am not a fan of Black or Death Metal, so I won't probably like any Death/Doom or Black/Doom bands. Since I don't care much for growling I can't say I particularly like Funeral Doom either. Nor do I like highly tear-soaked emotional bands so generally Gothic/Doom is also a no-no for me. Without sub-genres I would have to listen to everything labelled Doom and go through a LOT of music I don't really care. If something is labelled with a subgenre I at least have a hint of what it'll sound like.

Written by [user id=14153] on 19.06.2006 at 22:47
Interesting. Paramaecium do play a Sabbath based bluesy doom, but with the growling vocals. But yet, you say it's not just the vocals. Hmmmmmm...

Possible that they do, since I dislike growling I wouldn't remember. And if I said "it's not ONLY the vocals" it definitely means that the vocal style DOES have an importance when determining whether or not it is Trad. Doom, does it not?

Did I mention Eternal Elysium (www.cornucopiarecords.com/ee) before? A Stoner/Doom bands from Japan. The album Spiritualized D (unfortunately the only one I've heard so far) is superb.

Written by samael06 on Today at 22:47
Okay, I'll give you a part of that. But when you start breaking down sub-genres into even more sub-genres, that's when I think things are getting out of hand. I guess that's what I was trying to get at. Breaking sub-genres down even more. I guess the other problem is that you refer to yourself as being "pretty damn narrow", whareas I am more open minded and will listen to doom no matter what silly sub-genre it is in. Just knowing it's doom is good enough for me to give it a shot. Same thing with all the other subs. So, I'll admit that I was partially wrong. We definitely do need some labeling, but sub-genreing sub-genres is still ludicrous in my opinion.
It might be unnecessary if, and only if, you like ALL KINDS of Doom Metal. As I said, I am not a fan of Black or Death Metal, so I won't probably like any Death/Doom or Black/Doom bands. Since I don't care much for growling I can't say I particularly like Funeral Doom either. Nor do I like highly tear-soaked emotional bands so generally Gothic/Doom is also a no-no for me. Without sub-genres I would have to listen to everything labelled Doom and go through a LOT of music I don't really care. If something is labelled with a subgenre I at least have a hint of what it'll sound like.


Written by samael06 on Today at 22:47
Interesting. Paramaecium do play a Sabbath based bluesy doom, but with the growling vocals. But yet, you say it's not just the vocals. Hmmmmmm...

Written by Lord Elden on Today at 23:22
Possible that they do, since I dislike growling I wouldn't remember. And if I said "it's not ONLY the vocals" it definitely means that the vocal style DOES have an importance when determining whether or not it is Trad. Doom, does it not?

Did I mention Eternal Elysium (www.cornucopiarecords.com/ee) before? A Stoner/Doom bands from Japan. The album Spiritualized D (unfortunately the only one I've heard so far) is superb.


Okay, so we'll never agree. I am open to all sorts of metal whereas you are more specific as to what you listen to. But I think we can agree that as long as it's doom (trad. in your case) and good, that that's all that matters. Agreed?

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Written by samael06 on Today at 22:47
Okay, I'll give you a part of that. But when you start breaking down sub-genres into even more sub-genres, that's when I think things are getting out of hand. I guess that's what I was trying to get at. Breaking sub-genres down even more. I guess the other problem is that you refer to yourself as being "pretty damn narrow", whareas I am more open minded and will listen to doom no matter what silly sub-genre it is in. Just knowing it's doom is good enough for me to give it a shot. Same thing with all the other subs. So, I'll admit that I was partially wrong. We definitely do need some labeling, but sub-genreing sub-genres is still ludicrous in my opinion.
It might be unnecessary if, and only if, you like ALL KINDS of Doom Metal. As I said, I am not a fan of Black or Death Metal, so I won't probably like any Death/Doom or Black/Doom bands. Since I don't care much for growling I can't say I particularly like Funeral Doom either. Nor do I like highly tear-soaked emotional bands so generally Gothic/Doom is also a no-no for me. Without sub-genres I would have to listen to everything labelled Doom and go through a LOT of music I don't really care. If something is labelled with a subgenre I at least have a hint of what it'll sound like.

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Written by samael06 on Today at 22:47
Interesting. Paramaecium do play a Sabbath based bluesy doom, but with the growling vocals. But yet, you say it's not just the vocals. Hmmmmmm...

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Written by Lord Elden on Today at 23:22
Possible that they do, since I dislike growling I wouldn't remember. And if I said "it's not ONLY the vocals" it definitely means that the vocal style DOES have an importance when determining whether or not it is Trad. Doom, does it not?

Did I mention Eternal Elysium (www.cornucopiarecords.com/ee) before? A Stoner/Doom bands from Japan. The album Spiritualized D (unfortunately the only one I've heard so far) is superb.
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Okay, so we'll never agree. I am open to all sorts of metal whereas you are more specific as to what you listen to. But I think we can agree that as long as it's doom (trad. in your case) and good, that that's all that matters. Agreed?

Written by [user id=14153] on 19.06.2006 at 23:58

Okay, so we'll never agree. I am open to all sorts of metal whereas you are more specific as to what you listen to. But I think we can agree that as long as it's doom (trad. in your case) and good, that that's all that matters. Agreed?

When it's good it's good, true. I mentioned some bands that are arguably hybrids and some people would say that Black Sabbath is proto-Doom. It matters little to me what these bands are labelled as, since I like them.
However, when trying to find new bands to listen to it's good to have bands categorized as sub-genres.

People chack in MA new Pentagram album cover, where those 4 guys from band are walking, its best of ''First Daze Here Too''
Witch Black sabbath album cover thay coppy?

Chack Black sabbath ''Past Lives'' album cover and Pentagram ''First daze Here Too'' seems thay coppb BS in thsi album cover :rollin:

Are bands like Black Sabbath Traditional Doom or Proto Doom??
Cause i feel Sabbath aint Traditional doom..
Comments?

Written by Valar on 19.08.2006 at 20:47

Are bands like Black Sabbath Traditional Doom or Proto Doom??
Cause i feel Sabbath aint Traditional doom..
Comments?

Read first post and yes its Traditional doom metal, but when thay start play it was ehavy metal, becaus epeople didnt know name doom and Black sabbath play doon in first 4 albums, then its more ehavy metal, and explain what means proto?

Written by Bad English on 19.08.2006 at 20:51

Written by Valar on 19.08.2006 at 20:47

Are bands like Black Sabbath Traditional Doom or Proto Doom??
Cause i feel Sabbath aint Traditional doom..
Comments?

Read first post and yes its Traditional doom metal, but when thay start play it was ehavy metal, becaus epeople didnt know name doom and Black sabbath play doon in first 4 albums, then its more ehavy metal, and explain what means proto?

Dude, i dont mean to say some of the works of Sabbath wernt Doom Metal i just meant to say that they arent traditional doom metal but more of a prototypical doom metal, i.e setting a standard for traditional doom.

Written by Valar on 19.08.2006 at 20:58

Written by Bad English on 19.08.2006 at 20:51

Written by Valar on 19.08.2006 at 20:47

Are bands like Black Sabbath Traditional Doom or Proto Doom??
Cause i feel Sabbath aint Traditional doom..
Comments?

Read first post and yes its Traditional doom metal, but when thay start play it was ehavy metal, becaus epeople didnt know name doom and Black sabbath play doon in first 4 albums, then its more ehavy metal, and explain what means proto?

Dude, i dont mean to say some of the works of Sabbath wernt Doom Metal i just meant to say that they arent traditional doom metal but more of a prototypical doom metal, i.e setting a standard for traditional doom.

LOL Prototip Doom metal, :rollin: Black sabbath are traditional doom metal, but in that time there wast strandart how doom metal shood be and still even in nowdays isnt, Black Sabath are doom not soem kind a prototip

Even though I listen to doom/death metal bands like My dying bride and Anathema I cannot listen to Candlemass. I never really liked them. Also, I don't think Black Sabbath are a doom metal band

Written by Anathemani@c on 20.08.2006 at 02:17

Also, I don't think Black Sabbath are a doom metal band

Well, I think Black Sabbath can be broadly described as a doom metal band. There's certainly more to them than 'just' doom, but many of their songs were doom metal (although only labelled as such in retrospect, since as K7 pointed out, that term didn't really exist at the time), and they are extremely influential to bands that were later considered Doom Metal. The song Black Sabbath itself is considered by some people to be the epitome of doom, for instance. However, I would say that more specifically, Black Sabbath were the first 'proper Metal' band, and therefore influenced far more than just the doom genre... but doom bands such as Saint Vitus clearly have a blatant, direct influence from Sabbath.

Written by Richard on 20.08.2006 at 04:12

Written by Anathemani@c on 20.08.2006 at 02:17

Also, I don't think Black Sabbath are a doom metal band

Well, I think Black Sabbath can be broadly described as a doom metal band. There's certainly more to them than 'just' doom, but many of their songs were doom metal (although only labelled as such in retrospect, since as K7 pointed out, that term didn't really exist at the time), and they are extremely influential to bands that were later considered Doom Metal. The song Black Sabbath itself is considered by some people to be the epitome of doom, for instance. However, I would say that more specifically, Black Sabbath were the first 'proper Metal' band, and therefore influenced far more than just the doom genre... but doom bands such as Saint Vitus clearly have a blatant, direct influence from Sabbath.

Yes, but generally, Black Sabbath has inspired many many groups, that are from heavy, doom even till death. That doesn't make me think they aer playing death metal. It has nothing to do with that. I 'd rather say it's... monolithic heavy metal.

Written by Valar on 19.08.2006 at 20:47
Are bands like Black Sabbath Traditional Doom or Proto Doom??
Cause i feel Sabbath aint Traditional doom..
Comments?

They called their music Heavy Blues back then. You could say it's Proto-Doom but I'd say the first Sabbath albums practically defined what Trad. Doom and Stoner Rock is today. And more on the proto comment. You could say bands like King Crimson, Wishbone Ash, Blue Cheer, Blue Öyster Cult, Budgie, Bang, Dust, Atomic Rooster, Josefus, Lucifer's Friend, Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep and Sir Lord Baltimore were Proto-Metal. They definitely influenced the genre Metal. However, Black Sabbath was heavier still and could be consider the first *actual* (as in non-proto) Metal band. So, yes, I would consider the first albums Doom Metal. (As an unrelated sidenote: all bands mentioned in this post are much heavier than shit like Stratovarius, wtf should Flower Metal which is practically pop music be considered Metal if heavy-as-fuck-monster bands aren't?)

Written by Anathemani@c on 20.08.2006 at 02:17

Even though I listen to doom/death metal bands like My dying bride and Anathema I cannot listen to Candlemass. I never really liked them. Also, I don't think Black Sabbath are a doom metal band

Anathema, its doom metal in early period of carrear, My Dying Bride, thay are only band who didnt change to bad side and worts side, MYD are band who still kick ass, Í waiting new album.
About Candlemass I like works from 80ties, and agrie new album, I dunno but its not Candlemass anymore

Ritchard - I agrie about Black Sabbath, listening firts album, some songs are like Bluzy songs, some songs doom, and Black sabbath, when thay call them selfs Earth play Blues, but Paraioid, isnt doom, its hmm 70speed metal :rollin: , Planete Caravan, who knows maybe ambient, but its hard to clasified Black Sabbath, because in that time there was no genre clasifiction, Im talking about Ozzy days.
Alos you forgout Count raven and Witchfinder General

Anathemani@c Agrie, but Morbid Angel and Cannibal Corpse has insirated new death metal bands, but thay still cant be them, and Black Sabbath, not only thay inspieterd from that time, Led Zeppelin, Jimi, Kiss

Lord Elden Blue Cheer kicks ass I never had hera Sir Lord Baltimore, and about Stratovarius first album is posible listen, but then
Good explonation about doom metal, and I can only agrie whit you whit out coments

Written by Bad English on 20.08.2006 at 13:51

Written by Anathemani@c on 20.08.2006 at 02:17

Even though I listen to doom/death metal bands like My dying bride and Anathema I cannot listen to Candlemass. I never really liked them. Also, I don't think Black Sabbath are a doom metal band

Anathema, its doom metal in early period of carrear, My Dying Bride, thay are only band who didnt change to bad side and worts side, MYD are band who still kick ass, Í waiting new album.
About Candlemass I like works from 80ties, and agrie new album, I dunno but its not Candlemass anymore

What have you heard from Anathema discography? Anathema have played doom stuff till the Alternative4 alboum.Also, what do you mean by saying that MDB haven't changed to bad side? Have Anathema done so? Or Paradise Lost? No one changes in bad side, but they change not good for you.:nogood:

Written by Anathemani@c on 20.08.2006 at 14:32

Written by Bad English on 20.08.2006 at 13:51

Written by Anathemani@c on 20.08.2006 at 02:17

Even though I listen to doom/death metal bands like My dying bride and Anathema I cannot listen to Candlemass. I never really liked them. Also, I don't think Black Sabbath are a doom metal band

Anathema, its doom metal in early period of carrear, My Dying Bride, thay are only band who didnt change to bad side and worts side, MYD are band who still kick ass, Í waiting new album.
About Candlemass I like works from 80ties, and agrie new album, I dunno but its not Candlemass anymore

What have you heard from Anathema discography? Anathema have played doom stuff till the Alternative4 alboum.Also, what do you mean by saying that MDB haven't changed to bad side? Have Anathema done so? Or Paradise Lost? No one changes in bad side, but they change not good for you.:nogood:

What I had hear from Anathema
I had those: ''Crestfallen'', till ''Eternity'', but I like firts EP and album, after ''Eternity'' I had hear albums, but no I dont want by it its more pop.
About paradise Lost I like firts 4 albums, afte it I dont even want hear, exept BBC Sesions.
I wanna say all good death/doom bands has change them sound to gothic, exept MYD

PS read PM

Written by Anathemani@c on 20.08.2006 at 14:32
What have you heard from Anathema discography? Anathema have played doom stuff till the Alternative4 alboum.Also, what do you mean by saying that MDB haven't changed to bad side? Have Anathema done so? Or Paradise Lost? No one changes in bad side, but they change not good for you.:nogood:

I've heard almost the whole discography. It was a while ago but IIRC their first releases were Doom/Death and later on they started manufacturing something I wouldn't consider to be Metal at all...