AM I LATE FOR THE WILLY BASHING?!

Written by [user id=101272] on 26.10.2013 at 20:05

AM I LATE FOR THE WILLY BASHING?!

Written by [user id=4365] on 23.10.2013 at 22:46

Written by RottingDeathHead on 23.10.2013 at 22:38

Then you've obviously never read any death metal lyrics, because I've heard many bands sing about about cutting a few throats.

Precisely the difference: SING about doing it. Metal was always about extreme artistic expression as a release; not acting out these expressions on other people. How many metal-related murders has there been during metal's existence? Very few. Even in black metal there's been what, 2? Compare this to say, Hip-Hop. You could argue that that's a culture with strong links to murder. I don't see many gore-themed rap bands, do you? Use your head and read between the lines.

I don't think rap is about acting out on the actions of the music either.... Most of the time violent stuff in rap lyrics is shock value or it's more like story telling. Rappers from ghetto ass neighborhoods mostly lived ghetto ass lives before rapping, the idea isn't for people to listen to the music and be like "damn, he might be on to something, I should go kill some fools", especially since the target demographic for most rap is getting younger and younger. And any person who listens to a rap song and does something violent is just as dumb as the Stained Class Shotgun Shenanigan Squad. I guess the difference is that the violence described in rap music is something down to earth that happens a lot and in metal a lot of the time it's demons and zombies with chainsaw dicks and the like.

Written by Mattybu on 28.10.2013 at 03:47


I don't think rap is about acting out on the actions of the music either.... Most of the time violent stuff in rap lyrics is shock value or it's more like story telling. Rappers from ghetto ass neighborhoods mostly lived ghetto ass lives before rapping, the idea isn't for people to listen to the music and be like "damn, he might be on to something, I should go kill some fools", especially since the target demographic for most rap is getting younger and younger. And any person who listens to a rap song and does something violent is just as dumb as the Stained Class Shotgun Shenanigan Squad. I guess the difference is that the violence described in rap music is something down to earth that happens a lot and in metal a lot of the time it's demons and zombies with chainsaw dicks and the like.

This much is true for underground hip-hop, but looking at the "lyrics" for some of the more mainstream gangsta rap type stuff I really do think it sometimes just gets on the other side of the horse.

Written by Uldreth on 28.10.2013 at 13:57

Written by Mattybu on 28.10.2013 at 03:47


I don't think rap is about acting out on the actions of the music either.... Most of the time violent stuff in rap lyrics is shock value or it's more like story telling. Rappers from ghetto ass neighborhoods mostly lived ghetto ass lives before rapping, the idea isn't for people to listen to the music and be like "damn, he might be on to something, I should go kill some fools", especially since the target demographic for most rap is getting younger and younger. And any person who listens to a rap song and does something violent is just as dumb as the Stained Class Shotgun Shenanigan Squad. I guess the difference is that the violence described in rap music is something down to earth that happens a lot and in metal a lot of the time it's demons and zombies with chainsaw dicks and the like.

This much is true for underground hip-hop, but looking at the "lyrics" for some of the more mainstream gangsta rap type stuff I really do think it sometimes just gets on the other side of the horse.

Well ignoring the fact that mainstream gangsta rap is a paradox in itself nowadays, the use of cliche violent themes over and over is comparable to metal. I think the real only difference between the 2 genres is rap is pretty much completely dead and it's last clutches at life are being cut off, and metal is only dying, not quite there yet.

Written by Mattybu on 28.10.2013 at 14:16

Well ignoring the fact that mainstream gangsta rap is a paradox in itself nowadays, the use of cliche violent themes over and over is comparable to metal. I think the real only difference between the 2 genres is rap is pretty much completely dead and it's last clutches at life are being cut off, and metal is only dying, not quite there yet.

Be that as it may, things like this separate it quite clearly from metal in its extremity.

Written by Mattybu on 28.10.2013 at 14:16

..., and metal is only dying, not quite there yet.

dying? it's never been healthier than in this current day and age.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.10.2013 at 15:05


dying? it's never been healthier than in this current day and age.

Somehow missed that and quoted him on the wrong comment. How on earth do people justify saying metal is dying or dead? Totally baffling considering how much it's thriving.

Written by [user id=4365] on 28.10.2013 at 14:33

Written by Mattybu on 28.10.2013 at 14:16

rap

Be that as it may, things like this separate it quite clearly from metal in its extremity.

Eh, 20 or so people, I would contend that plenty of them probably would have gotten murdered at some point or another music aside. The east coast-west coast nonsense shit parade is the only example I know of that basically 100% because of music and music related circumstances a couple of fine rappers got killed (not that I would take the time to do my research like a good little schoolboy and look at the stories behind some of those other guys I don't know about). I doubt we will ever see something like that again though.

But yeah as for my comment about metal dying, I stand by that, and that comment is not referring to anything quantity wise or based on how many bands are out there, how many listeners there are, etc.

Written by Mattybu on 28.10.2013 at 22:51


But yeah as for my comment about metal dying, I stand by that, and that comment is not referring to anything quantity wise or based on how many bands are out there, how many listeners there are, etc.

then what is it based on? Because quality wise your staement is also false.

No matter what way I look at it, metal is healthier than its ever been in the 34 years I have been following it.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.10.2013 at 22:57

Written by Mattybu on 28.10.2013 at 22:51


But yeah as for my comment about metal dying, I stand by that, and that comment is not referring to anything quantity wise or based on how many bands are out there, how many listeners there are, etc.

then what is it based on? Because quality wise your staement is also false.

No matter what way I look at it, metal is healthier than its ever been in the 34 years I have been following it.

Well, you can't really say quality wise that the statement is false because that's a matter of opinion. let's say there's a guy that says once _ _ _ _ year happened, everything after that sucked balls, his opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. I could go on about this but I will get to my point.

What my stance is based on is the trends that are happening in metal, and there is a definitely a personal inflection there - obviously there are plenty of people like you who don't see metal as dying. Maybe dying isn't the right word even, it's almost more like a shift in identity. metal is becoming very pretentious, 2nd only to probably indie rock lol. and not like that stupid yet somewhat lovable pretentiousness metal has had for a long time. But not all metal that's why I said it's not totally dead like rap is (aside from Ceddybu da Rap Sumo keeping it fuckin reallllll). It's a little hard to explain and I probably did a terrible job explaining it, but yeah.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.10.2013 at 15:05

Written by Mattybu on 28.10.2013 at 14:16

..., and metal is only dying, not quite there yet.

dying? it's never been healthier than in this current day and age.

How can you say that?

Music stores are almost entirely dead and the few who survive are doing it by selling other products because they don't make any money by selling music anymore.

It gets harder and harder each day to find CD's, even new albums, even on the internet.

The only way for a band to make money is by playing live and even then lots of them don't make any profit.

What kind of news do we read? Musicians dying, bands calling a quit, shows cancelled, festivals cancelled, labels in difficulty, etc...

Sorry, but as much as I find it sad to say, Metal is dying a bit more each day. Well, I would say music in general is dying more and more as time goes by.

Stores in the Streets are dying but there are way more on-line stores who sell stuff chaper than ever before.
There are loads more bands and loas more gigs ever before. It's easier than ever before to get hold of albusm (either directly from the band or the label. IN the Eighties only a couple of bands could make a living out of their musc, just like today. Musicians die of course because they get old but more musicians start bands every single day. Nowdays less shows get cancelled than in the 80s and 90s backj then Motley Crue and such shite would be cancelled every single day on Mainland Europe whereas nowadays they have enough people showing up. Festivals get cancelled because there are way too many festivals whereas back in the day every country had one single festival at most whereas now most want multiple festivals even the small countries.
Labels are indifficulty because of downloading fichwist who never buy a single album and also because they don't go with the times. But it's majore labels folding not the small independent ones, the are more independent lables now than ever before and they are thriving.

It is clear that people who say that metal is dying haven't got a clue at all as to how metal is thriving nowadays. Well, that's your loss.

Getting back to sales. Sales across the board are as high and sometimes evnr higher than in the 80s and 90s. Not for individual artists but for everyone accumulated. Big band selling less is not surprising since people spend their money across the boards so tend to spend it less on the big band but spend it more on smaller ones.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.10.2013 at 00:33

Stores in the Streets are dying but there are way more on-line stores who sell stuff chaper than ever before.
There are loads more bands and loas more gigs ever before. It's easier than ever before to get hold of albusm (either directly from the band or the label. IN the Eighties only a couple of bands could make a living out of their musc, just like today. Musicians die of course because they get old but more musicians start bands every single day. Nowdays less shows get cancelled than in the 80s and 90s backj then Motley Crue and such shite would be cancelled every single day on Mainland Europe whereas nowadays they have enough people showing up. Festivals get cancelled because there are way too many festivals whereas back in the day every country had one single festival at most whereas now most want multiple festivals even the small countries.
Labels are indifficulty because of downloading fichwist who never buy a single album and also because they don't go with the times. But it's majore labels folding not the small independent ones, the are more independent lables now than ever before and they are thriving.

It is clear that people who say that metal is dying haven't got a clue at all as to how metal is thriving nowadays. Well, that's your loss.

I agree that there are lots of online stores but it seems to me that their inventories got smaller and smaller recently. I found it harder to find the stuff I wanted to buy since a while. Perhaps it is only an impression.

It's true that there are lots of bands, when you think about it. As for more gigs, I'm living in a small remote area and we never really had gigs anyway.

Now that I think about it, it was really not easy to buy albums here in the 80s. And it was expensive.
And I remember that only a few bands really made money.

As for festivals, it seems to me that there are many of them nowadays. Probably too many.

The downloading is a real issue for sure. It is sad to see that so many people don't care enough for music to buy the real CD.
But I also remember how so many people copied tapes years ago.

I don't know. Perhaps I'm wrong to think that Metal is slowly dying. I can be very negative at times. I sincerely hope that you're right and I'm wrong on the matter, Marcel. Metal dying is one of the last things I want to see.

By the way, is there a list of online stores, where I could by CD's, somewhere on this website?
I usually by my stuff on Amazon, eBay or Napalm Records but are there other good places?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.10.2013 at 00:41

Getting back to sales. Sales across the board are as high and sometimes evnr higher than in the 80s and 90s. Not for individual artists but for everyone accumulated. Big band selling less is not surprising since people spend their money across the boards so tend to spend it less on the big band but spend it more on smaller ones.

I think there can be another explanation for big bands selling less. Back in the 80s, the choice for Metal albums was much more limited, so we bought what was available at the time and where we lived. Now, if we take into account everything bands have been releasing since the 80s, the choice is immense compared to what it was in the 80s.

Written by Lord_Regnier on 29.10.2013 at 01:34


By the way, is there a list of online stores, where I could by CD's, somewhere on this website?
I usually by my stuff on Amazon, eBay or Napalm Records but are there other good places?

Actually I don't know if there is such a list here.

I usuually buy from Century Media, Nuclear Blast (the big names) and NUclear War Now, Nuclear Winter, Iron Bonehead, Psychedoomelic (unfortunatelt shit shop due to being too busy with real life wirk) and sometimes Van as well. Of course you have to look at what each distro has on offer for you the buyer. Is it death? Go to x... Is it black go to y... is it doom go to z...


But when you go on the net and on more forums than just MS you'll see that metal is pretty much alive and kicking ;-)

Oops, way too much off topicness here. Maybe we should open a thread on this topic.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.10.2013 at 02:06

Written by Lord_Regnier on 29.10.2013 at 01:34


By the way, is there a list of online stores, where I could by CD's, somewhere on this website?
I usually by my stuff on Amazon, eBay or Napalm Records but are there other good places?

Actually I don't know if there is such a list here.

I usuually buy from Century Media, Nuclear Blast (the big names) and NUclear War Now, Nuclear Winter, Iron Bonehead, Psychedoomelic (unfortunatelt shit shop due to being too busy with real life wirk) and sometimes Van as well. Of course you have to look at what each distro has on offer for you the buyer. Is it death? Go to x... Is it black go to y... is it doom go to z...

Century Media, I already know.
I usually avoid buying on Nuclear Blast because of their ridiculous shipping rates.
The others I don't really know.

Written by Angelic Storm on 24.10.2013 at 14:57

I have seen some real douchebags at certain concerts I've been too, who actually do want to hurt people. But I've also had complete strangers offer me help at concerts too. I remember seeing Anthrax in 2005, and I thought I was well out of the way of the mosh pit, when these 3 lunatics came charging at me deliberately like bulls in a china shop, and knocked me over, and my glasses fell off. Immediately afterwards, a guy in front of me (NOT one of the guys who'd actually bowled me over) came over and asked me if I was okay, and helped me search for my glasses, and eventually found them, though they were badly damaged from being trampled on, so I couldn't see the rest of the show. That was an interesting incident, because I saw the worst and the best types of metalheads within moments of each other. The problem is, it's the morons that make the rest of us look bad in the eyes of those who don't understand metal and it's fans...

This is one of the biggest pitfalls of requiring glasses. Do I take them off and avoid them being damaged or do i keep them on and actually see the show? sigh.