What a selfdeceptive way to leave this world, what did he say "off to transylvania" or something.
Sometimes i wonder how modern supposedly intelligent people believe all this larger than life junk...
huoh... well at least he left 2 good albums... rip jon.

Written by [user id=5080] on 25.08.2006 at 17:41

Written by Damnated on 25.08.2006 at 02:26

Written by lordz on 23.08.2006 at 16:58

yah like how satanic people worship satan ... and they have rituals... so like you said @Damnated

Just one more off topicness: satanism is NOT devil worship

Satanism is OBVIOUSLY devil-worship... unless you mean that worthless mysticism represented by the Church of "Satan"

That worthless mysticism is satanism.

Written by Damnated on 25.08.2006 at 18:41

Written by [user id=5080] on 25.08.2006 at 17:41

Written by Damnated on 25.08.2006 at 02:26

Written by lordz on 23.08.2006 at 16:58

yah like how satanic people worship satan ... and they have rituals... so like you said @Damnated

Just one more off topicness: satanism is NOT devil worship

Satanism is OBVIOUSLY devil-worship... unless you mean that worthless mysticism represented by the Church of "Satan"

That worthless mysticism is satanism.

what some mr no one proclaimed as satanism, if you think satanism was born from the thoughts of a son of the California's 60s, good for you... he gathered a few ideas without any coherence and said it was "satanism"... I had read the satanic bible for curiosity and come on... how can you call satanism something without historic roots and without even mentioning Satan...

Written by [user id=5080] on 26.08.2006 at 01:41


what some mr no one proclaimed as satanism, if you think satanism was born from the thoughts of a son of the California's 60s, good for you... he gathered a few ideas without any coherence and said it was "satanism"... I had read the satanic bible for curiosity and come on... how can you call satanism something without historic roots and without even mentioning Satan...

If you read his book then you must know that he mentions Satan: as a symbol. What we call today satanism, is LaVay's satansim. There's also traditional satanism wich is with miles different then satanism. And this is off topic, there's a thread about this in the general forum.

I found this on blabbermouth.com............. thought it might be interesting for this thread




DEICIDE Frontman On JON NÖDVEIDT's Suicide: 'Only Cowards And Losers Choose That Option'

DEICIDE members Glen Benton and Steve Asheim recently answered 20 questions submitted by fans via the Earache Records web site. A few excerpts follow:

Q: How do you see the recent suicide of DISSECTION's leader Jon Nödveidt? It seems it was a suicide in order to respect his own Satanic beliefs. How do feel about that, taking into consideration your own past declarations about your own suicide?

Glen: "We all made asinine remarks as children mine was no different, I don't find any honor in suicide and only cowards and losers choose that option instead of living with one's responsibility or the actions that landed that person in jail to begin with. Do I feel sorry for him? NO. The person he murdered was someone's child and being a responsible father of two, I would have been waiting for him to get out of jail? as to finish him off before he had the option of taking his own life."

Q: I recently learned that Ralph [Santolla, DEICIDE guitarist] is a Christian and has objected to certain aspects of DEICIDE's artwork and even chooses to wear a crucifix on stage to protect himself from the "evil" of DEICIDE. My question is simply: is this a joke? If not, I think you seriously risk making your fans question the legitimacy of DEICIDE's stance on Satanism. Frankly, it is hard to believe that you are vehemently anti-Christian when you not only openly embrace one but embrace one within DEICIDE itself!

Glen: "Ralph is as much a Christian as Joey Buttafuoco. Everyone knows that it is I who writes the blasphemy. Does Ralph have a hard time with it? Who cares?! Just like, who cares what you believe?! I don't, unless you make it that way. Hey man, you'd be surprised to know how many closet Christians listen to DEICIDE and heavy shit?when it comes to that kind of crap, don't you worry, ole' GB is the only one you need to respect!"

Q: There has been a lot of speculation over Glen's reputation as a Satanist. A while ago, Glen has claimed he was going to kill himself at age 33 to fulfill his destiny as the antithesis of Jesus Christ, yet he is still alive and kicking well beyond the age of 33. Not that I want him dead, just curious as to why he would make such a bold claim and not see it through? Was it simply nonsense from an intoxicated Glen? Is Glen simply moving out of his rebellious stage? In no way am I criticizing the integrity of DECIDE's music, but rather questioning your moral stance as of late.

Glen: "Here's the deal, man. We all met with the writer and photographer for a magazine called Raw from England at their hotel in Tampa to do photos and pictures. After the photo shoot we hit the bar to do the story, we were all talking about hypotheticals and I mention that I had premonitions of dying at 33. Why did I say it? Who knows?! Did I believe that to be the outcome for myself? No. Was I drinking? Yes. Did I think that such an off-the-wall comment would last so long in the minds of people like yourself? No. When I was 33, I did have a really bad accident on my bike with my son on the back involving a car. We were both injured pretty bad ? I had a choice then, either drop the bike or hit the car with the bike and kill myself and possibly my son or drop it and hope for the best. Well I'm still here and so is Daemon. I had the choice then and still do. I prefer to be around to keep my eyes on the road?if ya know what I mean."

Q: Steve, are you pleased with the fact that the "Ralph is a Christian" crap has been shown up by the AWESOME guitar work he performs on the album?

Steve: "Ralph is about as Christian as he is sober, which isn't much. So the fact the people even let something like that bother them is just fuel for the fire, and yes his guitar work on the new record is enough to silence even the most hardcore 'Satanists' out there. They end up saying, 'DEICIDE has a Christian in the band! And the leads fucking shred,' so let whoever believe whatever they want about Ralph, Glen, or whoever, but at the end of the sentence they're gonna say, 'Damn, have you heard 'The Stench'!?'"

Q: I recently learned that Ralph [Santolla, DEICIDE guitarist] is a Christian and has objected to certain aspects of DEICIDE's artwork and even chooses to wear a crucifix on stage to protect himself from the "evil" of DEICIDE. My question is simply: is this a joke? If not, I think you seriously risk making your fans question the legitimacy of DEICIDE's stance on Satanism. Frankly, it is hard to believe that you are vehemently anti-Christian when you not only openly embrace one but embrace one within DEICIDE itself!

Steve: "You're obviously one of these guys who take his metal very seriously. So let's say for a second that Ralph is indeed a Christian. Is it a defamation of our character as members of DEICIDE to play with a Christian, or is it a case of bringing a child of light into the darkness, twisting his weaknesses for success and admiration and money while defiling his beliefs, making him do Satan's bidding on CD, on stage, backstage, bringing him closer and closer to embracing to true meaning of humanism and teaching him to let go of his former, childish, brainwashed belief system? It takes a long time to de-program a brainwashed mind, and if he wears a cross to protect himself from the evil on stage, I find that very amusing."

Read the entire question-and-answer session at this location .

I think Glen is being a little to harsh on Jon,being he once felt the same.Anyway I dont necessarily agree with what Jon did and I dont like the fact that he murdered someone,but I like him as a musician.

yeah!! me too.. i like jon becoz he's a great musician!! Dissection Rulesss!!!

Written by lordz on 07.09.2006 at 23:53

Steve: "You're obviously one of these guys who take his metal very seriously. So let's say for a second that Ralph is indeed a Christian. Is it a defamation of our character as members of DEICIDE to play with a Christian, or is it a case of bringing a child of light into the darkness, twisting his weaknesses for success and admiration and money while defiling his beliefs, making him do Satan's bidding on CD, on stage, backstage, bringing him closer and closer to embracing to true meaning of humanism and teaching him to let go of his former, childish, brainwashed belief system? It takes a long time to de-program a brainwashed mind, and if he wears a cross to protect himself from the evil on stage, I find that very amusing."

I realise this is off-topic, but I really wanted to point out what a load of crap this is. As fucking if they're the "masters to the puppet" that is Ralph, or whatever such crap Steve is trying to have the fans believe.

Psh, glen is the biggest hypocrite Ive seen in the metal world, hes married to a christian, he has a christian guitarist and the fact that he didnt live up to his almighty prophecy makes him a coward in another way. I dont think he has any right to criticiize others when he is just a big megalomaniac himself.

oh glen, glen...
whatever, personally i think that jon is a fool cause he killed a person, not for the suicide, if he killed himself probably he had his own reason

Written by Sunioj on 10.09.2006 at 15:09

Psh, glen is the biggest hypocrite Ive seen in the metal world, hes married to a christian, he has a christian guitarist and the fact that he didnt live up to his almighty prophecy makes him a coward in another way. I dont think he has any right to criticiize others when he is just a big megalomaniac himself.

I think the whole christian thing is a scam,I know any strong believer of christianity wouldn't join Deicide.How can you be in a satanic band and be around all of that negativity and be a righteous christian?

Sure it does sound like a rumor, but I just think Glen is being out of line...

I hope there isnt a sudden surge in popularity of Dissection just because of the death of one of its members which is the case in quite many of the bands.
Don't get me wrong Dissection is a gem of a band but i don't like suddenly who knew shit about the band and hardly appreciated there music going gaga over the band.

@Indiansteel,
definetley not with me, I have all their music and I followed them for awhile, so...

Written by Sunioj on 11.09.2006 at 21:26

@Indiansteel,
definetley not with me, I have all their music and I followed them for awhile, so...

Chah man, that was a genric statement not directed towards anyone..
That was what i felt happens when suddenly a artist dies there is a sudden surge in his popularity.

*Not directed towards anyone*

Written by Valar on 12.09.2006 at 18:20

Written by Sunioj on 11.09.2006 at 21:26

@Indiansteel,
definetley not with me, I have all their music and I followed them for awhile, so...

Chah man, that was a genric statement not directed towards anyone..
That was what i felt happens when suddenly a artist dies there is a sudden surge in his popularity.

*Not directed towards anyone*

Thats very true.Not to say that i was much moved (in any direction) by his suicide. As much as i (should?) resent quoting nightwish ill do it anyways :
"kuolema tekee taiteilijan"
Finnish, meaning "death makes an artist".
Its happened to almost every dead artist.
Kurt Cobain, Elvis, Chuck, Jesse pintado, cliff burton blaah blaah blaah...

Oh of course, I do agree with you guys that there must be some people that would act poserish to be true and say that jon was this and that, and I sure there are people like that. And its true that death does make an artist.
Its also funny, because many people all of the sudden heard of dissection and questions like "did you hear about the swedish death metaller who shot himself encircled in a pentagram, blah blah??"

Khm. Yesterday I watched and listened (of course) Dissection's last DVD. Whenever I put it in my player, I become astonished about the music. Awesome. I know it is none of my business, what Jon did to himself (and to the others with the murder and the suicide), but I feel this situation hopeless for me, cause I can't see them live on the gig, neither hear Jon's new stuff. Argh...
The causes and opinions and guessing about the sucide are not relevant to me anymore.

@ElizabethBathory,
I dont think seeing a band live ultimately means you know the band, here in Israel Ive never seen most of my favorite bands that I listen to on a daily basis.
Yeah, I dont really care anymore, his death sucked, but its not like i sat in a tub and slit my wrists because of my sorrow, no no no....

Written by Sunioj on 18.09.2006 at 16:19

its not like i sat in a tub and slit my wrists because of my sorrow, no no no....

LIES I TELL YOU! LIES!

Its rather funny. some of the new metal kids around here has suddenly discovered Dissection, and yeah according to them its OFFCOURSE True black metal ^^. (......)

@Mr. Hellraizer,
Here in my country and the states around, I've seen many bands on their own gigs or on festivals. I'm lucky to have this chance. So, I've seen Dissection three times live, and even had a great chance to talk to Jon. WOW, those were the gigs, saw Dissection live after I've been listening to them for about ten years. (@Basso).

@ElizebethBathory,
Shit, you are lucky, I hate this country...

Written by [user id=2541] on 19.09.2006 at 11:35

@Mr. Hellraizer,
Here in my country and the states around, I've seen many bands on their own gigs or on festivals. I'm lucky to have this chance. So, I've seen Dissection three times live, and even had a great chance to talk to Jon. WOW, those were the gigs, saw Dissection live after I've been listening to them for about ten years. (@Basso).

I think you missunderstood me, I spoke about "here" as in "the area where I live" and I was not reffering to metalstorm, so sorry if I offended you mate.

Quote:
I think you missunderstood me, I spoke about "here" as in "the area where I live" and I was not reffering to metalstorm, so sorry if I offended you mate.

It is cool. Nice avatar you have, great music.

It's scary, I started listening to Dissection the same day he took his life!

Written by Warman on 20.09.2006 at 18:22

It's scary, I started listening to Dissection the same day he took his life!

Then its obvious who to blame. YOU!

Its strange listening to musicians in metal who have died, for instance whenever I listen to songs by chuck schuldiner it feels mystical or there seems to be a weird auro or vibe listening to dead musicians. Especially with Dissection, since the atmosphere was very dark and heavy.

@Basso,
I bet he also sent those letters to Jon's family as well!

What pisses me off is that I couldn't see Dissection live... last year they had a confirmed show in Santiago, I even had my ticket bought, and then it was cancelled one week before... anyway, it would had been better if the man had killed himself before the release of Rheinkaos, the only bad album in Dissection's career.

@Streetcleaner,
Same thing in Israel, TWICE, I found out it was cancelled the day of the show and I was so fucking pissed I sat watching live metal videos whilst getting drunk to make up for this screwup!

In my opinion Dissection has made the most brilliant gigs I have ever seen. But, maybe I overrate them, cause their music is really my Top 5.
Talking about dead musicians, unfortunatelly I haven't seen Mr. Schuldiner playing live. I have to accept Live in LA.(DVD, of course)
Too late now.