KwonVerge Odysseus ElitePosts: 5068 |
Well-written review, but it's missing the most important part, the fact that Petrozza was deeply inspired by The Sisters Of Mercy and the whole goth rock scene at the time, something the album clearly depicts. If i recall well, in an interview at the time he even had mentioned Nick Cave (the nurse on the cover whispers it) among his favorite artists A really hot name at the Central European scene, Tilo Wolff (Lacrimosa) even participated on the title-track. As for me, i pretty much enjoy this album for what it is, it might not be the Kreator everyone knew or expected, but it's an important yet underestimated act of how gothic metal should be (and by this i mean it has its roots in the 80s goth rock scene).
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TerrorZone
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27.01.2012 - 12:16Rating: 7
Written by KwonVerge on 27.01.2012 at 11:57
Well-written review, but it's missing the most important part, the fact that Petrozza was deeply inspired by The Sisters Of Mercy and the whole goth rock scene at the time, something the album clearly depicts. If i recall well, in an interview at the time he even had mentioned Nick Cave (the nurse on the cover whispers it) among his favorite artists A really hot name at the Central European scene, Tilo Wolff (Lacrimosa) even participated on the title-track. As for me, i pretty much enjoy this album for what it is, it might not be the Kreator everyone knew or expected, but it's an important yet underestimated act of how gothic metal should be (and by this i mean it has its roots in the 80s goth rock scene).
I recall from reading an interview on the web that this album reflected dark and difficult times for Petrozza.
Its always nice to have people appreciating the not so well regarded albums of Kreator, but for me its the 80s and post 2000s Kreator material.
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KwonVerge Odysseus ElitePosts: 5068 |
From Kreator my favorite periods are the Extreme Aggression-Coma Of Souls one and the one starting from Outcast (which was pretty dark too at times). I still have to listen to Renewal and Cause For Conflict though
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ravendeath
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27.01.2012 - 20:44Rating: 8
Written by KwonVerge on 27.01.2012 at 13:17
From Kreator my favorite periods are the Extreme Aggression-Coma Of Souls one and the one starting from Outcast (which was pretty dark too at times). I still have to listen to Renewal and Cause For Conflict though
Renewal it's an amazing album, but like Endorama not really appreciated by their fans. It's very experimental one, maybe the most of their discography and like Petrozza said it's very "drug abuse" inspired
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RavenKing
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Written by ravendeath on 27.01.2012 at 20:44
Renewal it's an amazing album
It's indeed amazing how they could manage to suck so bad just after releasing a masterpiece like "Coma Of Souls".
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RavenKing
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Written by KwonVerge on 27.01.2012 at 13:17
I still have to listen to Renewal and Cause For Conflict though
You would do yourself a favor by staying away from them.
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ravendeath
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28.01.2012 - 01:05Rating: 8
Written by RavenKing on 28.01.2012 at 01:00
Written by ravendeath on 27.01.2012 at 20:44
Renewal it's an amazing album
It's indeed amazing how they could manage to suck so bad just after releasing a masterpiece like "Coma Of Souls".
"Coma Of Souls" is for sure one of the highlights of their career, but "Renewal", I know... a lot of people hate it and you are one of them, nothing wrong with this...
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Deadmeat Necrobutcher
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29.01.2012 - 04:53Rating: 9
Written by KwonVerge on 27.01.2012 at 13:17
From Kreator my favorite periods are the Extreme Aggression-Coma Of Souls one and the one starting from Outcast (which was pretty dark too at times). I still have to listen to Renewal and Cause For Conflict though
to differ from the others i'd suggest you to listen to those two albums and especially "renewal". it's VERY different. it's not a masterpiece but it has some nice moments/songs. it's their most experimental for sure. on the other hand "cause for conflict" is a pure thrash metal album, without VENTOR (so with different drumming), a lot of speed, and some nice songs on it. but when you want thrash you have Coma of Souls or Extreme Aggression. so "renewal" is mainly the one you should listen...
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Angelic Storm Melodious
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29.01.2012 - 10:48Rating: 9
I personally don't share the reviewers' take on this album, nor the rating given to it. Although it is understandable why many would dislike the album when it is so markedly different musically from their earlier works. I have no personal aversion to the style of music on here though, so I find quite a lot to enjoy in this album, and Kreator did a fine job in crafting memorable songs in a style which is far removed from the one they are most renowned for playing, All in all, I do prefer their classic thrash albums, but for what it is, this is mostly a great body of work, and definitely an improvement over the mostly lacklustre previous album, "Outcast".
Written by Deadmeat on 29.01.2012 at 04:53 to differ from the others i'd suggest you to listen to those two albums and especially "renewal". it's VERY different. it's not a masterpiece but it has some nice moments/songs. it's their most experimental for sure. on the other hand "cause for conflict" is a pure thrash metal album, without VENTOR (so with different drumming), a lot of speed, and some nice songs on it. but when you want thrash you have Coma of Souls or Extreme Aggression. so "renewal" is mainly the one you should listen...
I wouldn't call "Cause For Conflict" a pure thrash album by any means, although out of all their experimental works in the 90's, this album is the closest in style to their earlier thrash albums. I do agree that "Renewal", whilst not being a masterpiece, does contain some outstanding moments. Songs like the punishing "Zero To None", and the oppressive atmospherics of "Karmic Wheel" are truly great. xD
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Deadmeat Necrobutcher
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29.01.2012 - 13:21Rating: 9
Written by Angelic Storm on 29.01.2012 at 10:48
I wouldn't call "Cause For Conflict" a pure thrash album by any means, although out of all their experimental works in the 90's, this album is the closest in style to their earlier thrash albums. I do agree that "Renewal", whilst not being a masterpiece, does contain some outstanding moments. Songs like the punishing "Zero To None", and the oppressive atmospherics of "Karmic Wheel" are truly great. xD
yeah! "zero to none, killing radical" i love this song! haha! about cause for conflict, it surely isn't the thrash side of kreator as we know it but i think that it is a thrash metal album just with some other influences too (atmospheric and heavy metal moments i would say-i have many years to listen to it though) when all the other experimental albums contain only a few thrash metal moments (renewal mainly).
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RavenKing
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Written by Angelic Storm on 29.01.2012 at 10:48
I wouldn't call "Cause For Conflict" a pure thrash album by any means, although out of all their experimental works in the 90's, this album is the closest in style to their earlier thrash albums.
As far as I can remember (last time I listened to this album was over 15 years ago), this is not a pure Thrash album at all.
At least it doesn't sound like what Kreator did in the 80s. It sounds much more modern in production and it has modern influences.
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They say we'll be your friends we'll stick with you till the end
But everybody's only looking out for themselves
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Angelic Storm Melodious
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29.01.2012 - 21:07Rating: 9
Written by Deadmeat on 29.01.2012 at 13:21 yeah! "zero to none, killing radical" i love this song! haha! about cause for conflict, it surely isn't the thrash side of kreator as we know it but i think that it is a thrash metal album just with some other influences too (atmospheric and heavy metal moments i would say-i have many years to listen to it though) when all the other experimental albums contain only a few thrash metal moments (renewal mainly).
I love it too! It's one of my fave Kreator songs, and it'd be awesome for them to play it live. "Renewal" and "Cause For Conflict" both contain thrash elements, but neither are proper thrash albums. "Outcast" and "Endorama" had faint traces of thrash in a small amount of songs, but were mostly devoid of the style...
Written by RavenKing on 29.01.2012 at 17:44 As far as I can remember (last time I listened to this album was over 15 years ago), this is not a pure Thrash album at all.
At least it doesn't sound like what Kreator did in the 80s. It sounds much more modern in production and it has modern influences.
Yup, you're right. I did a review of this album on MS quite a while back saying exactly that. It has a modern sound and production, and also conatains experimental elements, as well as traces of the industrial style that was explored on "Renewal". But it is the most thrash orientated album from their experimental phase. But it's definitely not a pure thrash album, as their 80's albums (and "Coma Of Souls") were.
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Deadmeat Necrobutcher
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30.01.2012 - 18:02Rating: 9
Ok it's a fact that i had many years to listen to the album. i was wrong and it isn't a "pure" thr.m album. generally angelic storm and ravenking you both described it great! nothing more to add.
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