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How to jam?



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Posted by Soliloquy, 02.06.2006 - 05:10
aright, so ive been having some troubles jamming with my friends. not that they suck, or i suck or anything. but hers whats going on:

i picked up a guitar an year ago. i taught myself how to play it, but majority of my practice happend either in my room, or infront of the computer. so just me soloing and fretting everything. some 8 months ago, i started making my own songs, and started making up the bass and the drum lines in my head. so basically i had the drums and everything set around my riffs. yet every time i go over to my friends place(they have a band) and jam with them, it just doesnt work. for a few seconds, the drummer can keep upwith me, and then he gets lost becuase i change my riff and start becoming all random on them(sort of like romeo from symphony x, just no where near that good!).

at first i thought that the reason why it doesnt work is becuase i tend to play more folk/classical/doom metal songs. they usually play progressive metal. in other words, they play much faster stuff. but then i played some song by Haggard(if you dont know, its a classical metal band) that had some relativly fast drums, and the drummer was sort of lost in that too.

then i thought that those guys know how to jam, and i dont. reason being that they picked up those instruments some 3 years ago. and at the time, both their guitarists, their bassist and their drummer were noob. so they always practiced together, and they can do random shit, and are always backed up by atleast two of the other members.

sure, i can keep up with them with power cords...for a few seconds. maybe im doing something wrong, or soemthing else is going on.

and i do wanna get into a band, just the thing is that if i cant jam, the band wont really be any good. becuase im sure that the drummer and the bassist wont really like me bossing them around and shaping them around me.....so yeah
20.01.2008 - 00:12
Forged Soul
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one of my favorite things to do when jamming is to try and solo while the other (rhythm) guitarist changes chords, trying to stump the soloist. the goal is to find the weirdest chord and to try and make the soloist sound like shit while it's the soloists job to compensate and make it sound good, or consonant. the soloist should not know what's coming next and it really makes for a fun jam session. it really trains your ear and musical sense. then the two guitarist switch roles.
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20.01.2008 - 10:21
Alex Smith
Written by Forged Soul on 20.01.2008 at 00:12

one of my favorite things to do when jamming is to try and solo while the other (rhythm) guitarist changes chords, trying to stump the soloist. the goal is to find the weirdest chord and to try and make the soloist sound like shit while it's the soloists job to compensate and make it sound good, or consonant. the soloist should not know what's coming next and it really makes for a fun jam session. it really trains your ear and musical sense. then the two guitarist switch roles.

I prefer to use bass guitar as rhythm and two guitars play solo.
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20.01.2008 - 18:55
deadset61
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I think you have to keep working it at it man. Jam more with them instead on random occasions then they might start to pick up some of your songs. If the drummer gets lost see if he is willing to listen to a band that your stuff sounds like and try to get him to learn it.
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24.01.2008 - 01:05
Hellsing
I think u should know the people u are playing with to do something cool... I have jammed with people that I don't even know, and it was not the best jam that I have been part of.......... musical chemestry is required to understand and feel what the other people is doing, it depends a lot on the rest so you can improvise with them. I don't know if you get my point... even if all the people included in the jam likes metal every people has their own style. For Example I love Jazz Music and I know I suck at playing it but If I try to do something with scales and riffs and the rest of them are gonna be playing Death Metal Riffs.... it's not gonna make any scense.

We are all different and we have our own style... sometimes you are gonna find that person and you are gonna say: "Wow that was cool man we have to do it again" and sometimes: "Was not that bad", musical chemestry is required, you need to listen what the other people is doing sometimes you try to do your best but you are not being part of the jam because of it.......

That's my point!
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28.01.2008 - 13:29
Alex Smith
"...and the drummer was sort of lost..." You know, he's a bad drummer. For instance, a lot of bands play a bit faster on stage (and me too), I'm 99% sure, that he does a lot of mistakes at concerts (if he has).
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28.01.2008 - 15:06
Ur-Nammu
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Written by Alex Smith on 28.01.2008 at 13:29

"...and the drummer was sort of lost..." You know, he's a bad drummer. For instance, a lot of bands play a bit faster on stage (and me too), I'm 99% sure, that he does a lot of mistakes at concerts (if he has).

Depends on how he was lost. If the drummer loses rhythm, the drummer needs a _lot_ more practice, but like I said in my previous post, it could be that the guitarist went haywire with his tempo and the drummer continued with the old tempo. Jamming with no theoretical basis (tempo, time signature, key, scales etc) will usually sound like wankery unless the musicians are prodigious like Hendrix.
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28.01.2008 - 17:23
NECURATU
Written by Hellsing on 24.01.2008 at 01:05

For Example I love Jazz Music and I know I suck at playing it but If I try to do something with scales and riffs and the rest of them are gonna be playing Death Metal Riffs.... it's not gonna make any scense.

Now that musn't necesarily be true my friend, some pretty sick music was born that way .
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28.01.2008 - 17:47
Hellsing
Written by NECURATU on 28.01.2008 at 17:23

Written by Hellsing on 24.01.2008 at 01:05

For Example I love Jazz Music and I know I suck at playing it but If I try to do something with scales and riffs and the rest of them are gonna be playing Death Metal Riffs.... it's not gonna make any scense.

Now that musn't necesarily be true my friend, some pretty sick music was born that way .

well that's true haha
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