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Sounds pretty interesting...might give it a try
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
This actually is the best thing Cryoptopsy have released ever. Thanks god the boring derivative brutal death metal days they seemed to be stuck in are gone. Especially recommended to fans of The Dillinger Escape Plan et al.
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
Cryptopsy made a BIG mistake by releasing this album under that name, with such a huge change in style old fans will spit at this album, and new fans that get into this album will look into "Cryptopsy" and find nothing but brutal death metal (which they probably won't like..)
regarding the album - Cryptopsy DO abandon their brutal side, this is not a brutal death metal album. as far as I am concerned this is not Cryptopsy, this is a different band to the one that released all the previous albums.
Flo is still the best thing in Cryptopsy, with the odd bursts of blastbeats, etc. but even when all hell is breaking loose behind the drum kit - the guy screaming over it just sounds BAD and out of place.. (end of "The Headsmen") it is a shame Flo's skills are being wasted on this band now
I can see why some people might do the un-thinkable and like this album, it does have a few interesting points.. but generally this is not the kind of music I subject myself to (with the screaming and all) - it is a completely different style of extreme metal! ..and neither will it be the kind of music old Cryptopsy fans in general will want to listen to - so like I said, the biggest mistake here is that they released this pile of.. album.. under the name "Cryptopsy"
they can't expect to not have an army of people waiting for them with pitchforks really..
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
I think that this album will show how close-minded metalfans actually are. I am sure that most will not accept the fact that this is a GREAT album. Only because of the name Cryptopsy which is attached to it.
This really is Cryptopsy's BEST album EVER
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
that is just laughable - if this is not the kind of music someone such as myself would normally listen to - and I decide to not like it, that is because I have a closed mind? ha
this album cannot be compared to their previous albums, it is totally different - they used to be a brutal death metal band - and this is more hardcore/technical death metal.. you would never hear whiney clean vocals in past albums..
you can say this is the best they have done "EVER" because you probably prefer this style - wheras the people that are actually going to be looking into an album with the Cryptopsy name on it will most definitely prefer the old style
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
as for what I think to the actual album - listening to this album to me like eating a really nice chocolate cake that has nails inside of it.. (actually it is more like trying to eat a bag of nails with chocolate bits in it!!)
the album has its good moments, namely when Flo picks up the tempo, but most of the time while I am listening out for the bits I like, I am being battered by screaming and whiney clean vocals and boring slow music and a big smell of commercial-"like me! like me! like me!"
I can listen to this album but I am just glad humans have the ability to switch attention off when need-be
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Cryptopsy arent drug dealers, their purpose isnt to satisfy your craving for that brutal death metal fix. They are musicians and therefore their purpose is to communicate something interesting or at least intriguing to whoever is listening. Surely music is more than just an economic transaction between band and fans, more than just an example of the dynamics of supply and demand. With this album, Cryptopsy has graduated from being only a supplier of a product to a band that actually has something interesting for people to hear. I wish more bands did that, since, as mentioned in the review, it takes balls. Good for them!
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Deadsoulman ElitePosts: 8004 |
I've never found Cryptopsy's brutal death albums really good, mainly because I thought it all sounded like a big purposeless chaotic mess that was technical just for the hell of it and I couldn't stand their previous vocalists (expecially Lord "Growling At Random" Worm).
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I found the demos of the new songs sounded like a massive pile of crap haha. Especially the vocals.
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I don't have much hope left before I listen to the whole album. But I will listen to it anyway as I usually tend to agree with jupitreas. So, more thoughts later.
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Spyroid Rosetta Stoned
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I dont get it - are you close minded just because you don't like when a band evolves in a way that you don't like - or because you can't appreciate all genres?
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DoomGuard
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17.04.2008 - 16:08Rating: 3
I'm not buying this album cause I'm close-minded....
Don't care what people think
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oh come on, close-minded because i don't like it? what a fucking hilarious comment. i'm into death metal, pop/rock and hip hop, i can listen to anything, i'm beyond close-minded, i'm very open-minded for music, but from a band like cryptopsy, i just want more than this, and this album is plain utter-shit: cryptopsy is dead.
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Spyroid Rosetta Stoned
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Written by [user id=26778] on 17.04.2008 at 16:47
oh come on, close-minded because i don't like it? what a fucking hilarious comment. i'm into death metal, pop/rock and hip hop, i can listen to anything, i'm beyond close-minded, i'm very open-minded for music, but from a band like cryptopsy, i just want more than this, and this album is plain utter-shit: cryptopsy is dead.
I guess open-minded means that you like everything that ordinary people doesn't like =D
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
What I mean by the close-minded part is that if this album had been done by another band people would have loved it. But because people are stuck in the Cryptopsy has to play non-inventive brutal death metal rut, they somehow can't see what a great album it actually is. Set your preconceptions aside and listen to it. But it seems most metalheads somehow just can't do that. And that is such a shame.
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Clintagräm Shrinebuilder
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 18:40
What I mean by the close-minded part is that if this album had been done by another band people would have loved it. But because people are stuck in the Cryptopsy has to play non-inventive brutal death metal rut, they somehow can't see what a great album it actually is. Set your preconceptions aside and listen to it. But it seems most metalheads somehow just can't do that. And that is such a shame.
Well, what would you think if one of your favorite bands put the album out? I have a hard time thinking you'd agree with your own statement. Regardless, from what I've heard, it doesn't sound like anything I'd listen to, so it's just normal Cryptopsy to me anyways.
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kackbratze
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 18:40
What I mean by the close-minded part is that if this album had been done by another band people would have loved it. But because people are stuck in the Cryptopsy has to play non-inventive brutal death metal rut, they somehow can't see what a great album it actually is. Set your preconceptions aside and listen to it. But it seems most metalheads somehow just can't do that. And that is such a shame.
Haha, I actually don't think so because the vocals REALLY suck. I wouldn't listen to it. And: I find it more open-minded to say that this album sucks than to pretend to like it just because it has the name of Cryptopsy and you liked their older releases. (which I think you don't, but anyway...)
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Inlé
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17.04.2008 - 19:31Rating: 2
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 18:40
What I mean by the close-minded part is that if this album had been done by another band people would have loved it.
I would say the opposite. A lot of people will force themselves to like this one but will write off similar just because this has the name "Cryptopsy". If people like this then they'll like pretty much all of metalcore.
I didn't like this album.
I don't like the breakdown rapeage, I don't like the sloppy mish mash of death metal and metalcore/nu/emo vocals. I don't think it flows well at all. The screams and death growl attempts are dire. It sounded ok when it got a bit of speed up but the plodding with THOSE clean vocals made me want to reach for the skip button (especialy in the middle of the album, which contained the worst tracks.)
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 18:40
What I mean by the close-minded part is that if this album had been done by another band people would have loved it. But because people are stuck in the Cryptopsy has to play non-inventive brutal death metal rut, they somehow can't see what a great album it actually is. Set your preconceptions aside and listen to it. But it seems most metalheads somehow just can't do that. And that is such a shame.
man, i hate this album because it's crap, not only because cryptopsy has released this album. to be very honest, i only like the first two cryptopsy albums, whisper supremacy could have been an excellent album, but the vocals ruined it. but this time, just everything is wrong, damn wrong. the music and the vocals, i hate everything about this release, no matter if it's an cryptopsy album or an album by band X
Written by Inlé on 17.04.2008 at 19:31
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 18:40
What I mean by the close-minded part is that if this album had been done by another band people would have loved it.
I would say the opposite. A lot of people will force themselves to like this one but will write off similar just because this has the name "Cryptopsy". If people like this then they'll like pretty much all of metalcore.
perfectly said, man.
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totaliteraliter
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 11:52
This actually is the best thing Cryoptopsy have released ever. Thanks god the boring derivative brutal death metal days they seemed to be stuck in are gone.
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 12:05
I think that this album will show how close-minded metalfans actually are. I am sure that most will not accept the fact that this is a GREAT album. Only because of the name Cryptopsy which is attached to it.
This really is Cryptopsy's BEST album EVER
Written by jupitreas on 17.04.2008 at 13:43 Cryptopsy has graduated from being only a supplier of a product to a band that actually has something interesting for people to hear.
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 18:40
What I mean by the close-minded part is that if this album had been done by another band people would have loved it. But because people are stuck in the Cryptopsy has to play non-inventive brutal death metal rut, they somehow can't see what a great album it actually is. Set your preconceptions aside and listen to it. But it seems most metalheads somehow just can't do that. And that is such a shame.
Have you people been listening to this band? At all? First, two musically innovative and ambitious albums with lyricism that represents the genre at its peak. Then a series of directionless water-treading with new vocalists and no identity, followed by a lame and soulless reunion cash-in effort. And now, with the band finally going in full on sellout cash-in-on-current-trend-trying-to-appeal-to-new-fanbase mode, it's their best album??? Now they finally have something interesting for people to hear??? How open-minded you must be to appreciate Cryptopsy's bravely diluted hop onto the metalcore bandwagon! Whatever quality can be found on the new one, it really represents Cryptopsy finally shifting from leaders to followers.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by totaliteraliter on 17.04.2008 at 20:19
Have you people been listening to this band? At all?
Yep, actually ever since their 1994 Blasphemy Made Flesh debut full-length have I been listening to this band.
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totaliteraliter
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 20:24 Yep, actually ever since their 1994 Blasphemy Made Flesh debut full-length have I been listening to this band.
Then I am forced to conclude that either a) you need to listen to those albums a second time, or b) it all went over your head. It's impossible to argue that Cryptopsy were making "boring derivative brutal death metal" in 1992-1996, and even if they were, I can't comprehend why someone would prefer boring derivative metalcore.
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 18:40
What I mean by the close-minded part is that if this album had been done by another band people would have loved it. But because people are stuck in the Cryptopsy has to play non-inventive brutal death metal rut, they somehow can't see what a great album it actually is. Set your preconceptions aside and listen to it. But it seems most metalheads somehow just can't do that. And that is such a shame.
come on! give us a little more credit than that. speaking personally if I like an album, I will like it regardless of style tag or band
it is not small minded at all to dislike an album that is completely different stylistically in a less favourable way to the past albums of the same band - from a band that used to put out great, solid brutal death metal releases every time.
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Written by totaliteraliter on 17.04.2008 at 20:29
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 20:24 Yep, actually ever since their 1994 Blasphemy Made Flesh debut full-length have I been listening to this band.
Then I am forced to conclude that either a) you need to listen to those albums a second time, or b) it all went over your head. It's impossible to argue that Cryptopsy were making "boring derivative brutal death metal" in 1992-1996, and even if they were, I can't comprehend why someone would prefer boring derivative metalcore.
Neither do I. Good thing Cryptopsy doesnt play boring derivative metalcore on this album.
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Written by Baz Anderson on 17.04.2008 at 20:32
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.04.2008 at 18:40
What I mean by the close-minded part is that if this album had been done by another band people would have loved it. But because people are stuck in the Cryptopsy has to play non-inventive brutal death metal rut, they somehow can't see what a great album it actually is. Set your preconceptions aside and listen to it. But it seems most metalheads somehow just can't do that. And that is such a shame.
come on! give us a little more credit than that. speaking personally if I like an album, I will like it regardless of style tag or band
it is not small minded at all to dislike an album that is completely different stylistically in a less favourable way to the past albums of the same band - from a band that used to put out great, solid brutal death metal releases every time.
you are free to dislike anything you want. you should be able to recognize if something is good regardless of your personal prejudices towards it though.
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SteTech
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Hang on, wasn't it announced they wouldn't be releasing this because of the controversy?
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
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totaliteraliter
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Written by jupitreas on 17.04.2008 at 20:32 Neither do I. Good thing Cryptopsy doesnt play boring derivative metalcore on this album.
Not specific enough for you or what? I should put down my Fuck The Facts/Sikth/Dillenger/etc. records and listen to this johnny-come-lately to the scene effort because...?
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Written by totaliteraliter on 17.04.2008 at 20:50
Written by jupitreas on 17.04.2008 at 20:32 Neither do I. Good thing Cryptopsy doesnt play boring derivative metalcore on this album.
Not specific enough for you or what? I should put down my Fuck The Facts/Sikth/Dillenger/etc. records and listen to this johnny-come-lately to the scene effort because...?
Noone told you to put them down. As for Cryptopsy, their attempt at the style is well executed. The album has good songwriting. It is definitely innovative on a technical level, although not really on a stylistic one. Oh wait... Didnt I already state this IN THE REVIEW. Dont people read the review that they are commenting on?
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MetalManic
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This discussion is heated. Flames of hell really. I see excellent points from both sides and I have to agree with jupitreas' admiration of the 'balls' this band actually has! Perhaps it was a drastic change from being brutal to this but in all honesty, stagnant music (i.e. - no progression just carbon copies with or without improvement) is really boring. For those of you who think that this change has something to do with $$$, well folks, welcome to North America.
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totaliteraliter
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Written by jupitreas on 17.04.2008 at 20:58 Noone told you to put them down. As for Cryptopsy, their attempt at the style is well executed. The album has good songwriting. It is definitely innovative on a technical level, although not really on a stylistic one. Oh wait... Didnt I already state this IN THE REVIEW. Dont people read the review that they are commenting on?
Skimmed it over, reviews on this site tend to be a little fluffy. Didn't even notice you wrote it. How is it technically innovative?
Bottom line, even if it is well-executed, fuck it. We all know what Cryptopsy's motivations are, and we've seen how creatively bankrupt they are without Lord Worm's vision to tie the spazz together. There's a million bands doing this better and more honestly. I only object to idiots playing the open-minded card in this case, and you lauding them for having the "balls" to change their sound to something hip and trendy. They haven't fooled me, at least.
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
These comments are for the review, dont post here if you havent even read it.
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