Paradox0 Unasuming Madnes
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18.10.2010 - 21:23Rating: 6
After listening to "... Colossus" and hearing the previews to this album I've been expecting alot (well, not to be disappointed anyways). How does 7 average out with scores of 9,7,8,9 exactly?
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Sounds interesting...will give them a spin later
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Written by Paradox0 on 18.10.2010 at 21:23
After listening to "... Colossus" and hearing the previews to this album I've been expecting alot (well, not to be disappointed anyways). How does 7 average out with scores of 9,7,8,9 exactly?
Exactly with my words on the review. It says everything required to sum up a solid 7 to my ears. Those 4 factors are seperate arrays of the final outcome, they play a role but they ain't the universal truth, why do you people stick to them as "this is it and nothing else"? a 9 goes to the great musicianship, the song-writing is 7 to me, an 8 goes to originallity because they sum up pretty well various things and a 9 to production, if you have an album with good musicianship and great production and nice originallity and the music is crap, let's say 4, you will put the average of all 4? no. those 4 play their part in the final outcome, but they ain't god's will under blinders for virgin mary's virgin (according to the church) son's sake! The final outcome comes from the words of the review as well and in the end, it's just a goddamn number, is it what matters? If this is it, then we should stop posting reviews and just numbers!
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7
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this is it.
it will be much easier for us all you know but we write reviews because we do like it, we don't get paid, we just listen to some fuckin music and we express our fuckin opinions because we like it and because we want to share them with people since we can do so, whether one agrees or disagress or whatever. but it's not all about numbers and this has been discussed a lot in various reviews and it tends to be tiring in the end! Read between the lines, don't calculate coldly between the numbers.
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Written by Paradox0 on 18.10.2010 at 21:23
After listening to "... Colossus" and hearing the previews to this album I've been expecting alot (well, not to be disappointed anyways). How does 7 average out with scores of 9,7,8,9 exactly?
Come on, dude...do the math! (9 + 7 + 8 + 9) / 4 = 7
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Derwood
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Written by Paradox0 on 18.10.2010 at 21:23
How does 7 average out with scores of 9,7,8,9 exactly?
Because there are other intangibles that go into the overall rating of an album. Ever hear the expression, "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts?" It can be less, as well. The four individual measures could very well all be 9's, yet an album still only rate a 6 or 7 in terms of its overall impression.
Why is this such a difficult concept for folks to grasp?
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Though I agree the numbers don't have to match up to make sense, I understand how it can be misleading for a lot of people.
Good review DerRoz!
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Chainer Witch Hunter Gen
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20.10.2010 - 17:36Rating: 7
Written by KwonVerge on 18.10.2010 at 21:42
Written by Paradox0 on 18.10.2010 at 21:23
After listening to "... Colossus" and hearing the previews to this album I've been expecting alot (well, not to be disappointed anyways). How does 7 average out with scores of 9,7,8,9 exactly?
Exactly with my words on the review. It says everything required to sum up a solid 7 to my ears. Those 4 factors are seperate arrays of the final outcome, they play a role but they ain't the universal truth, why do you people stick to them as "this is it and nothing else"? a 9 goes to the great musicianship, the song-writing is 7 to me, an 8 goes to originallity because they sum up pretty well various things and a 9 to production, if you have an album with good musicianship and great production and nice originallity and the music is crap, let's say 4, you will put the average of all 4? no. those 4 play their part in the final outcome, but they ain't god's will under blinders for virgin mary's virgin (according to the church) son's sake! The final outcome comes from the words of the review as well and in the end, it's just a goddamn number, is it what matters? If this is it, then we should stop posting reviews and just numbers!
Agreed, an overall impression should not be the precise mathematical average of the 4 sub-scores. This being said, the two should not be completely independent of one another. All three, the words of the reviewer, the sub-score, and the overarching impression score work in conjunction to convey a given reviewers' opinion on a given album. Whereas the sub-scores give an empirical value to the reviewer's commentary, which in turn gives a very basic justification for the overall score. Numbers are not enough with out the insight of the reviewer, and words are too non-discrete in nature to derive a numerical score from. A review says song writing is good, well what the hell does 'good' mean? Difficult to say just from reading the words, however if songwriting is assigned a numerical value, and good = 8/10, the notion of 'good' has a discrete value, and the reader can more easily grasp the quality of songwriting as proposed by the reviewer.
good review though, never listened to Dagoba before. I am enjoying the album, its pretty solid, I agree with a 7.
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Edmund Fogg
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The melodic and clean elements are really turning me off. But it is still a great listen
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Written by Edmund Fogg on 21.10.2010 at 17:29
The melodic and clean elements are really turning me off. But it is still a great listen
Exactly the same, you expect the album to ruin your brain and then lalalala for a while and then back powah
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Written by KwonVerge on 21.10.2010 at 19:42
Written by Edmund Fogg on 21.10.2010 at 17:29
The melodic and clean elements are really turning me off. But it is still a great listen
Exactly the same, you expect the album to ruin your brain and then lalalala for a while and then back powah
Lol yes it feels like being crushed into a wall and stomped upon but the second later your cudling...not really a good vibe
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Written by Edmund Fogg on 21.10.2010 at 19:54
Written by KwonVerge on 21.10.2010 at 19:42
Written by Edmund Fogg on 21.10.2010 at 17:29
The melodic and clean elements are really turning me off. But it is still a great listen
Exactly the same, you expect the album to ruin your brain and then lalalala for a while and then back powah
Lol yes it feels like being crushed into a wall and stomped upon but the second later your cudling...not really a good vibe
If the album had one song out and 2-3 others were stronger, much stronger i'd be headbanging with waterproof mp3 player/speakers underwater
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Marcus Doit Like Bernie
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I really wanted to like this since the cover artwork is so nasty, but I literally couldn't find one redeeming thing about the album. Too bad.
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Written by Marcus on 28.10.2011 at 18:26
I really wanted to like this since the cover artwork is so nasty, but I literally couldn't find one redeeming thing about the album. Too bad.
Is "nasty" one of these new fangled neologisms that means the opposite of what they imply? Like "phat" and "wicked" and "stoopid" and "sick" et cetera?
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Written by [user id=4365] on 28.10.2011 at 18:27
Written by Marcus on 28.10.2011 at 18:26
I really wanted to like this since the cover artwork is so nasty, but I literally couldn't find one redeeming thing about the album. Too bad.
Is "nasty" one of these new fangled neologisms that means the opposite of what they imply? Like "phat" and "wicked" and "stoopid" and "sick" et cetera?
You betcha. Don't forget dirty and ill as well.
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Written by Marcus on 28.10.2011 at 18:47
You betcha. Don't forget dirty and ill as well.
"ill" - you must be kidding? That is bad. And by bad I mean bad, not good.
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Marcus Doit Like Bernie
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Written by [user id=4365] on 28.10.2011 at 18:51
Written by Marcus on 28.10.2011 at 18:47
You betcha. Don't forget dirty and ill as well.
"ill" - you must be kidding? That is bad. I by bad I mean bad, not good.
Bad? You're just mad that our slang in America is so much more ill than in the UK
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Marcus Doit Like Bernie
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Written by [user id=4365] on 28.10.2011 at 20:14
Written by Marcus on 28.10.2011 at 20:13
Bad? You're just mad that our slang in America is so much more ill than in the UK
I sincerely disagree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_slang
While those are okay, we have http://www.urbandictionary.com/ and words like http://www.riceplate.com/rap/rap.php (Which is just from the bay area, let alone Ebonics from the rest of the country)
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